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On January 04 2015 23:32 KelsierSC wrote: Was I keen on defending Robik?,I said I think there are better lynches and now I went and read his filter thoroughly and despite some odd points I think he is towny and I don't want to lynch him. I scum read you d1 so What are the odd points, or did you already point them out. | ||
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You already brought up Lazer misrepresenting and it's good. He tried to make associations ebtween me and you before even reading my filter thoroughly and I think he simply let his fantasy running too wild while finding reasons to vote for me, also I don't think you're mafia but he argues you are with very generic arguments that don't apply in the post in question. Basically all you have to do for now is ignore super and focus on who the scum is on my wagon (gonna do it myself but some help would be appreciated). Like, it doesn't even matter much if I flip or not what only matters is what happens after as then I'm confirmed and we already found all the bullshitters. Other people on me I see as possible scum at this point are still Robik (HIm using Koshis death in odd ways to read me and JAT differently, and ignoring us at night cause he had a better agenda as he said), geript I have to read for this day, marv definitely doesn't seem to care as much as he should, and VE felt somehow weird to me too. I still have no idea if SL's cop claim is real or not but since he calls it cop nonsense I'm inclined to believe not at this point. He wasn't really clear about it as he asked Lazer for his reads afterwards so right now just looks like bullshitting. DrH tentatively town but maybe he's just the HF mafia type of player, he sided with me when I started getting heat and somehow this day it has been reversed. Probably indicative that he really found something he didn't like, so I'll stick to that. JAT good questioning of Robik but could also have been intended to look good, at the time I really like it though. However the high volume low content style still bothers me and all the stuff I mentioned still is sound in my memory so on the backburner for now. Brb. | ||
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On January 04 2015 23:44 KelsierSC wrote: yes just a few posts ago I gave what I thought about Robik Btw tomorrow is my birthday too. And I just noticed you don't take into account the points I mentioned about Robik and JAT questioned him about them too, but you were there when they were brought up all the time. Yet they don't appear in your reasoning. Only reason you townread him is cause of one post where he acts high and mighty and says he can read anyone however he pleases. Pretty easy to say that so unwarranted. So why doesn't he talk to his seeming scumreads at night to pursue a "more important agenda, and if he sheeps Koshi why doesn't he go more into geriptafter the night who was another one of Koshi's scumreads? Instead he parks his vote on me and disappears until he is brought up again. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:01 geript wrote: Meh, whatever Marv. I'm really hungry and don't feel like posting 4 pages on how you're scum. You are. Congrats you got me lynched; well Koshi got me lynched. Here's a tl;dr version that people need to sheep: 1. Read on Robik is fucking terrible. Robik is scum 2. No interactions with Koshi--normally these two are absolutely fucking hilarious to play with 3. Not fun; little to no sarcasm, wit, or fun factor that makes Marv fun to play with 4. Wouldn't read me like he does. He'd be more scared to lynch into me (looking elsewhere first) and less sure on his read on me. 5. Marv wouldn't fear lynch on D1 6. Really fucking terrible list post. @Artanis, Palmer and Doc. Look at Marv. He's not right. Doc get your head screwed on straight and actually think about the game critically. I'm pretty sure your read on Chyz is wrong. Town: Artanis[XP]--Not as active as I'd like. But I'm prettty sure he's town DoctorHelvetica--Way off track Palmar--First time he's read me wrong as town. lolz TheChyz--He's just new. But he's town. Damdred--He's town. But force him to post a bunch tomorrow because he notices some good things here and there justanothertownie sicklucker--I initially had him below this in the unsure pile. But I had a townread on him when I read him before I slept. Cursory view of his meta points towards town; that said, it's not wholly applicable because of different game situations imo. Unsure but active pile: batsnacks--of these two, bat is the most likely to be mafia. KelsierSC--felt towny but i forget why GTFO: RebirthOfLeGenD Superbia Vivax GlowingBear Mafia lean: Eden1892--Went ham but not fully ham. Then drops ham and never goes back to ham land. Really odd start. ritoky -- He townread me at a weird point. His read on Robik was pretty weird. Marv wants to lynch him but doesn't really follow up on it. Koshi --Could be wrong here Mafia: Marvellosity IAmRobik Lazermonkey--From a cursory view of his past 3-4 games On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): TheChyz (2): DoctorHelvetica (0): geript (6): marvellosity (0): Lazermonkey (0): IAmRobik (0): sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched. until deadline. On January 04 2015 14:17 geript wrote: SL who knows. Maybe he's a noob, but there's really not a point in thinking about him unless there's a counter claim or he lives for 2-3 days and there's not a missing NK. Odds are he's actually the cop and is using the role poorly Vivax--The reasons I've seen brought up against him made me think he was worth voting for on D1. His posts haven't inspired me and I haven't seen the unique Vivax perspective that I usually see when he's town; plus his posts have been more logic/reason based which is usually what I see from him as mafia. That's said, DrH's comment summarizing Vivax's play I don't find alignment indicative as he does that as town (not sure if he also does it as mafia). All that said, I haven't really gotten past page 2 on his filter every time I open it because I get bored. Good chance for being scum. Damdred--I thought he was blue and cop by how he's playing. A few points have been made about him that caught my eye because they're things I associate with his mafia play (less active, more passive play, less "in the trenches", etc.). That said, he's made a few good points which I don't think he would if he were town. Maybe I just misread him as blue. I think he's town but I'm less sure than I was yesterday. Robik--I've absolutely hated Robik's D2. It's been pretty bad. He makes no useful points and just posts a bunch of crap. Unfortunately, that's my experience of his town play. He also has a pretty large filter and he's, from my understanding, a renowned pussy when he's mafia (I'm less sure of this honestly). There are a lot of points that vote both ways, but overall I think he's town, but I'd put that just barely. GB--I think this guys's town. I talked with Artanis some about him. Maybe we disagree, but if Vivax is mafia, then GB has a higher percentage of being with him for being too right as he's not a player who in my experience has been reasonably accurate with his reads. VE--Feels very town VE to me. IDK, can't really explain it but I've played with him a bunch. The largest counterpoint to this is that as of late as mafia he's been less active and more lazy aiming more for not being lynched than his previous active scum game. LM--Has an apparent greencheck on him. Worth considering 90% accurate unless SL flips not blue, there's a CC or what not. Marv--I'm guessing is town. I've been super wafflecone on this guy and in writing this, I'm realizing that at least some of my town reads have to be wrong Kels--I thought you were town. But I haven't really played a bunch of games to have a great read on you. Superbia--He's been flat out wrong about my meta from Russian, super inactive and just overall has no care to play. I don't think I've ever really managed to get a read on him and the games I've played with him he's either been super town or managed to get himself lynched at some point. For some reason I think he might be less active as mafia in general but honestly I have no clue how correct that actually is. Palmer--has a history of being scum when I role town. I honestly have never had a good clue as to what his alignment is. He'll bus as mafia; he'll generally be less active as mafia. But this game is in a weird situation (NYE into weekend) that he coudl just be MIA town at points. I just really enjoy his snark and how fun he makes the game. Lynch him later on at some point I think. DrH--None of what he's actually done has been productive. I don't know how honest he's being in his apology. He can be town who's just been overzealous, biased and tunneled or he could be mafia just playing to win. Don't Lynch Pool: Damdred GlowingBear Geript Artanis[XP] Lazermonkey Marvellosity justanothertownie IAmRobik sicklucker VisceraEyes KelsierSC IDK Pool: Palmer Lynch Pool: TheChyz Vivax ritoky DoctorHelvetica Superbia Overall, Kelsier, Damdred, GB, LM and JAT are my weakest Don't Lynch reads. The Lynch pool is essentialy PoE. I still expect at least one Vet to be mafia but as to which one in specific the best bet I think is Palmer. He'd read Eden as town; DrH I don't think allows those kills to go through. Not sure why, but they don't quite suit what I've read of his mafia play (I've never seen him as mafia in a large game I've played in). I don't want to hyperbolize this by bolding red but if you look at the parts I marked, don't you see how all of this doesn't seem to make sense? | ||
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Then this : Robik--I've absolutely hated Robik's D2. It's been pretty bad. He makes no useful points and just posts a bunch of crap. Unfortunately, that's my experience of his town play. He also has a pretty large filter and he's, from my understanding, a renowned pussy when he's mafia (I'm less sure of this honestly). There are a lot of points that vote both ways, but overall I think he's town, but I'd put that just barely. He found Robik's D1 enough to scumread him but townreads him cause his D2 is "bad enough" for him to be town. Ok. No influence on the read from what Robik did D1 that warranted him being scumread. LM--Has an apparent greencheck on him. Worth considering 90% accurate unless SL flips not blue, there's a CC or what not. I'm not sure why he puts so much weight into it as SL is quite ambiguous when talking about his stuff. Maybe I'm just being overly suspicious but a cop saying "let's talk scumreads and not this cop bullshit" doesn't look like a real cop and I want some hard confirmation first. | ||
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Will be back when suddenly everyone is in the thread again and it exploded in my absence. | ||
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On January 05 2015 01:00 sicklucker wrote: Vivax wtf is wrong with you. Discredit me when im trying to steer the lynch off you. I ask lazermonkey for his reads because their really important to me. Leaning scum on ksc now. He tried to brush off his cc as a joke but it was not. He should think im the cop. Are you the cop or not. That's the relevant question to me right now as geript immediately took your claim at face value even though you aren't really clear about it. It's time to get clear and I don't know how I'm discrediting you: Cause I don't know if I should take you seriously? | ||
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On January 05 2015 01:29 justanothertownie wrote: If you are town you will ignore this for now. No it's relevant cause he says I'm trying to discredit him which isn't true, I want to know if he's bullshitting and that also has relevance for my LM read. | ||
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But we can't lynch multiple people at once, and need to get this sorted out. Call me biased but I'd prefer geript first as his read change on TheChyz makes absolutely zero sense plus the other stuff, and Robik did a last minute vote on D1 to lynch bats. Of course this doesn't mean we bury the stuff you just wrote about VE. So in summary need to know where everyone stands with geript vs VE vs me vs LM vs superbia? | ||
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On January 05 2015 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Because VE is clearly town. Der. You complained about a guy posting baby seals and being alive but when I talk about him you not only ignore the talk to post this, but you also keep your vote on me. Are you THAT much confident that I'm scum over geript? | ||
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On January 05 2015 04:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think you made a decent case on VE but I think we should discuss him on D3, just like Marv, Robik and Palmar. We've already got enough suspects for today in Vivax/Geript/Superbia. Yes and you still need to deliver where your preference lies clearly and for what reasons as atm your choice of superbia looks more like a policy lynch. This posting a little and peacing out trend is not unique to him, look at VE recently for example. He just sits on my wagon, which is a mislynch and doesn't engage in discussion when I prompt him. I'd rather have you on geript and if not then describe exactly why I need to die today since I want to lynch geript before superbia. The way he goes from noob town to lynch pool on TheChyz without any new posts from him doesn't make much sense, the explanation for that doesn't appear in his big post. | ||
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On January 05 2015 04:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I was thinking last night about how inactive VE is but I also tend to care much less about a game if I miss Day 1 at all. I would prefer a geript switch for the time being but I'm far from being caught back up. Vivax, has your read on JAT changed at all since night 1? Well for one he's still in the background even though he pops out occasionally when I mention him and he sits on my wagon when all his reasoning as I remember is that I'm scumreading him when he's being universally townread and claiming that I'm misrepresenting. He popped out again when I questioned SL about his cop claim, not sure why. His questioning of Robik gave me pause but I don't see him act up on it in any way, he questioned him a bit and that's it, li I'm still considering him to be possible scum for aforementioned reasons. I'm not gonna change that opinion just cause almost nobody else wants to lynch him. He's still just background noise in my opinion as he isn't trying to steer thread opinion while town heads for my lynch and I'm doing my best to avoid that by lynching lying scum geript. | ||
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Anyway it doesn't sit right with me how JAT just skips over the arguments I found on geript, and how he questions Robik but doesn't really seem suspicious of him in his play afterwards. Questioning for the sake of questioning, more like. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote: But what you just mentioned "makes" him town to you, in explaining that read you are speaking against a geript lynch. Yup. Geript argument: Artanis? Convinced. Kelsier? Convinced. Me? Convinced. etc. You? "I liked it but I don't think it makes him scum he plays like shit but I think he's town but I'm not trying to clear him in any way" Either you think the argument is good and that he's scum or you think he's town and try to clear him by making your opinion clear in the thread and why I'm a better lynch than him but talking like this just makes you look worse. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:08 justanothertownie wrote: It does not make me look worse at all and I would encourage you to stop talking about me if you want me to work with you in case you are town. What is this? I see reasons for you to be scum and your response to it is that you threaten me to "not work with me" if I don't unscumread you? So far when I've discussed why I thought you were scum all I got back were witty remarks how I'm scum for not townreading you like 90 % of the people, and now that you sit idle on my wagon fighting against a switch to geript you talk to me like you don't think I'm scum. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:15 Lazermonkey wrote: So why is everyone suddenly hesitant about the Vivax wagon? I don't see what changed really. Vivax posted alot but he still focuses energy on unlynchable townies and making crazy reads. Geript is an unlynchable townie? Take a seat and tell me that story again please. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:17 justanothertownie wrote: I think it is pretty clear what he is talking about. Yes he's saying I'm trying to lynch unlynchable townies as an argument for me being scum when a quick look at the votecount should tell him that I'm trying to lynch geript since nobody will vote for you today anyway. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:20 justanothertownie wrote: He says: "Vivax posted alot but he still focuses energy on unlynchable townies". There is nothing wrong with this statement. I don't really know what you're doing this game. It's like all you're doing is constantly masturbating on how townie you claim you look instead of trying to lynch scum. You drag me into these useless discussions in an attempt to ridicule me for suspecting you all the time. As I said, you're not playing mafia, you're simulating a chat session. If you really want to make yourself useful then start posting actual arguments for which lynch is better to pick. | ||
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