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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 22 2014 21:06 GMT
#1621
Like idk why i'm even getting so upset with you, you never lynch the un cc'd blue in this situatin like ever
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 22 2014 21:08 GMT
#1622
Because this

On December 23 2014 05:45 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2014 05:41 sicklucker wrote:
But then you didnt die. so I dont even know wtf shouldn't you die dandred?


Honestly thats why I think its you mre than likely you have been throwing doubt on me and you think little of my gameplay so you wouldn't be afraid to keep me in the game.


On December 23 2014 05:44 Damdred wrote:
1) We know that they have a roleblocker if you believe scrib and if you believe me. As scum you want to kill either the towniest looking people or the confirmed townies. They didn't have to play dodge the medic all they needed to do was block me (which they did) and kill the confirmed NB which they didn't.


Post 1 you use the fact you didnt die to put scum on me
Post 2 You explain that because of roleblocker your a horrible nightkill

Apparently theirs a double standard for putting scum on me so I think your mafia buddy
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 22 2014 21:09 GMT
#1623
On December 17 2014 13:58 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 13:40 sciberbia wrote:
@VE
I find Damdred a bit suspicious because he has avoided substantiating reads.

+ Show Spoiler [read on VE] +

On December 17 2014 11:48 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 11:45 sciberbia wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [damdred] +

On December 17 2014 11:33 Damdred wrote:
I actually have a few good town reads right now my top town is a surprise.

Town Leans:
Palmar is my top town, he shows what seems genuine interest. He pressures people is involved in almost every topic has follow up on what he says. Today Palmar is that top town.

VE is most likely town I think, I probably wouldn't listen to people wanting to lynch him today unless he did some really out there.

Robik I wouldn't lynch today at this point I have a pretty strong town feeling from him.

Would lynch today:

Kush: Where did kush go? He said he was reading but never did anything since, not saying that kush can't be lazy as town but he generally has some thoughts.

SL: I think the gameplay is decently different and leaves something to be desired from his normal game play.

I'm not sure about Bresh yet, and even though JAT is in the game I can not really remember much of what he has done so that worries me. And sciberbia making a town case and so many hard defending ls has me worried.



@damdred
Can you explain what you've seen from VE that makes you think he is town? His only reads so far seem to be slight town on marv and mafia on Palmar which you seem to strongly disagree with.

Also, can you explain what you mean in the last sentence of that quote where something is worrying you?



I don't have to agree with all of someones reads to think that they are town overall or towny at the moment. VEis putting in effort which granted he can do as mafia but I can see where hes coming from and where hes going with what hes saying. Even though we come to different conclusions I can at least understand what hes doing.



Kinda wishy/washy and unsubstantiated for a supposedly strong town read. Says you are putting in effort [granted you can do that as mafia]. And he "understands what you're doing". Just very vague.

Like, by this point I have several specific things I could point to to justify my top couple town reads.

+ Show Spoiler [read on LS] +

On December 17 2014 12:01 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 11:57 sciberbia wrote:
On December 17 2014 11:48 Damdred wrote:
LS has a ton of people hard defending him based on meta right out of the gate, and that concerns me honestly.

Concerns you because you think LS is scum or you think the people defending him are scum? or both?

For the record, I can only recall myself and Bereshke defending him. And I guess marv said the case was "icky"


I am not sold either way. Someone shouldn't be judged obviously based solely on meta reasons. For example hen he was scum in student mafia it looked really really close to his town game and it was only a couple things that gave him away. So meta wise he is easy to copy.



He seems to dismiss both Palmar's case and my post as inconclusive because they are based on meta reasons. But... they weren't at all based on meta reasons. In fact, neither Palmar nor I have even played with LS before.

+ Show Spoiler [Palmar] +

On December 17 2014 05:59 Palmar wrote:
Also, votes on LS people, bro is 84% mafia.

Evidence 1

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 05:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry my late entrance my mom told me that she was taking me to get a hair cut but we went to a couple stores and had lunch T_T
I think the first post is just silly I would of expected that from sicklucker for meta reasons but not scib.
Okay let's try to win this game plain and simple Anyone want to discuss with me?


Inherent guilt. He's like the 4th person to post in the thread and apologizes for it.

Evidence 2

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 05:39 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 17 2014 05:37 sciberbia wrote:
On December 17 2014 05:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry my late entrance my mom told me that she was taking me to get a hair cut but we went to a couple stores and had lunch T_T
I think the first post is just silly I would of expected that from sicklucker for meta reasons but not scib.
Okay let's try to win this game plain and simple Anyone want to discuss with me?

You seem to be implying that the silliness of my first post is scummy? If so, please explain why it is scummy. Or are you simply noting that it is silly?

I wasn't trying to say it was scummy I just stating it was just silly that's all :O


If it wasn't scummy then what the hell is he trying to say? What does silly mean? What has it got to do with the game at all, and why bring it up as expected or not expected behavior if it isn't alignment indicative.

Evidence 3

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On December 17 2014 05:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 17 2014 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 17 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote:
Currently LightningStrike is the scummiest person in the thread.

I am not going to read Robik. If he's mafia, I'm blaming it on everyone else.

Agreed!

Check my meta from Campus Mafia and Student IV here and tell me how am I acting
Campus: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike
Student IV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike
Tell me how am I acting already for Day 1 atm.


Highly aware of own meta, and uses it instantly to defend himself against what are basically shit accusations.

Evidence 4

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On December 17 2014 05:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 17 2014 05:46 Palmar wrote:
Now I want to lynch lightningstrike for suggesting I read more than the absolute bare minimum required.

You'll be hitting yourself when my role is revealed


When confronted with what is basically a troll accusation, he immediately goes for the defense again. Further, he does not entertain the possibility that me or anyone else pushing him might be mafia, just straight up "look, I'm not mafia".

Soooo.... we good?

Kill LS?


+ Show Spoiler [me] +

On December 17 2014 11:22 sciberbia wrote:
I think LightningStrike is likely town for two reasons. Actually three but I'm omitting one.
  1. First, after being put under pressure by Palmar and JAT, he maintained his high activity level, and continued to say some dubious/odd things. See spoiler for a few examples
    + Show Spoiler [LS] +

    On December 17 2014 05:51 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On December 17 2014 05:49 IAmRobik wrote:
    On December 17 2014 05:47 LightningStrike wrote:
    On December 17 2014 05:46 Palmar wrote:
    Now I want to lynch lightningstrike for suggesting I read more than the absolute bare minimum required.

    You'll be hitting yourself when my role is revealed

    please don't type posts like this. It implies that Plammmar is town and there's no evidence to that.

    If LS is mafia, plammmmar 100% cleared

    I not scum that is all to it. By the way where is sicklucker when I want to start reading him a bit...

    On December 17 2014 05:54 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On December 17 2014 05:53 Palmar wrote:
    On December 17 2014 05:52 Breshke wrote:
    I have never played with him but i think coag is town for how little he cares

    That does not say anything about Coag's alignment. He basically doesn't care at all about any game he is in.

    On the other hand, he should be a prime vigilante shot, because of exactly this.

    That would be a wasted shot unless we can prove he is scum.

    On December 17 2014 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On December 17 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
    On December 17 2014 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:
    On December 17 2014 06:02 IAmRobik wrote:
    Palmar, was she being honest whens he said she didn't like her role and you think she did that as mafia?

    + Show Spoiler +
    I typed he and then went back and changed all of them to she, because I refuse to believe that a mom takes a son of age 20 to get a haircut

    My mom wont let go of me I'm sorry for that and Palmer I really hate my role but I am town and I will do anything to win this game except let myself get lynched for dumb reasons.

    Well, you're now lynch target #1.

    Your time to shine bro, find a new #1.

    I headbanging right now and currently I waiting for sicklucker's first action today to determine his alignment this game.

    On December 17 2014 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On December 17 2014 06:10 Breshke wrote:
    On December 17 2014 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
    On December 17 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
    On December 17 2014 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:
    On December 17 2014 06:02 IAmRobik wrote:
    Palmar, was she being honest whens he said she didn't like her role and you think she did that as mafia?

    + Show Spoiler +
    I typed he and then went back and changed all of them to she, because I refuse to believe that a mom takes a son of age 20 to get a haircut

    My mom wont let go of me I'm sorry for that and Palmer I really hate my role but I am town and I will do anything to win this game except let myself get lynched for dumb reasons.

    Well, you're now lynch target #1.

    Your time to shine bro, find a new #1.

    I headbanging right now and currently I waiting for sicklucker's first action today to determine his alignment this game.


    I don't like this its like you saaw Robik cleared coag for reffering to headbanging and you are trying to jump on some town cred

    What about people who have already posted do you think any of them are scummy? I think SL is someone easy to scum read and think this is a cop out.

    No I really am a headbanger this game that why I dislike my role -.-
    Possibly Palmer but as I said I will need to dive into his past games to figure out his meta.

    On December 17 2014 06:26 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On December 17 2014 06:26 IAmRobik wrote:
    On December 17 2014 06:25 Palmar wrote:
    It just sounds like he accidentally forgot how to English.

    "unlike LS (who hates her role) i got my most despised role"

    WTF!??!!?

    Fine if you going to call me a girl just call me Arya then.....



    Since by all accounts he is a bit of a timid player, I would expect a scum LS to get a bit scared, clam up a bit, and try to avoid being talked about if at all possible. But on the contrary, he seems completely unafraid of being noticed and that is not something I would expect from a timid scum player.

  2. Second, I agree with Robik that LS's handling of the 1-10 question is unlikely to come from a scum LS. Put yourself in scum!LS's shoes. You were just asked how happy you are with your role. You want to sound like you are town so you should probably say something like 10/10 because I love playing town or 1/10 because I hate playing town.

    Does it really seem likely LS would think things through to the level of: I'm going to say 1/10 but not explain it. I'll be really coy about it and leave people to wonder why I said 1/10. If somebody really pushes me on it, I'll claim VT and say that I hate playing VT.

    Seems too devious for a timid newbie scum.

    Furthermore, Breshke does have a point about scum being unlikely to pidgeonhole themselves into a particular role claim so early in the game.

    Finally, in the pregrame of LXIX he let it be known that VT is in fact his least favorite role. This makes the townie explanation of his answer and followup very easy to understand (he is new and was just being honest).
    On December 09 2014 02:48 LightningStrike wrote:
    I can't wait for this to start! I love all the roles but the Elf....




I get the feeling he is scum and having trouble coming up with good, specific reasons to justify his stated reads. VE, were you getting the same feeling or do you disagree?

@Damdred
If you feel like VE is a solid read, can you point to something specific in his filter that you think he would not post as scum?


Firstly, saying that VE is a solid read at this point does not mean that I have a strong read on him. That is why he is under the Town LEAN category in my catch up post.

Ok, and the point is? You basically repeated what I said. Thats the thing though just because I have a read one way or another doesn't mean I have to turn the read into a huge town post why that person is town. Hes possibly town hes in my town pile today unless he does something or someone puts together a head turning case.

This next part is a lie, I say that I hate people hard defending LS based on meta, his meta was brought up by himself (which i really dislike) and bresh talked about it. I think LS has a scum tell that i'd rather not mention until later, but why lie about what I actually said. No where did I even talk about Palmars case you are making things up honestly.

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 08:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
On December 17 2014 06:03 Palmar wrote:
On December 17 2014 06:01 marvellosity wrote:
On December 17 2014 05:44 Palmar wrote:
Also marv is kinda scummy for lurking instead of posting.

hey now, I often work out after I've finished with work, bitch.

##Vote: coagulation

Remember?

The fact you went right to "bitch" there is kinda mafia.

But it's ok for now.

I REEEEALLY don't like the bolded. It's like trying to throw mafia on marv for literally no reason.

Like, it kinda feels like the kind of read Palmar makes as town, but it's on MARV, someone who A) is extraordinarily hard to read by default and B) someone who is likely to have clout moving further into the game. There's a decently high possibility that it was a joke too.

Also the thing at the end "But it's okay for now" reminds me of our first game together when he seemed to follow every criticism with something like "but that doesn't bother me much" or "but that's okay" etc.

On the plus side, regardless of his alignment, that pretty much makes LS a safe vote! :D


I like this post plus the follow up explanation, his call out on me on my entrance post i felt was towny. His post since haven't read as scummy, he has covered people been invested and not tunneled. He is a solid read atm

Damdred can you explain the bold part in this post now because I feel like you need to explain it now that it's later into the game and siclucker still wants to lynch me.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 22 2014 21:11 GMT
#1624
On December 23 2014 06:06 Damdred wrote:
Like idk why i'm even getting so upset with you, you never lynch the un cc'd blue in this situatin like ever


Of course you can when theirs an unconfirmed number of poweroles and your power is blocked. I find it hard to believe your this confident in the balance of a sk game. How many sk games have you been in honestly answer that.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 22 2014 21:12 GMT
#1625
On December 23 2014 06:11 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2014 06:06 Damdred wrote:
Like idk why i'm even getting so upset with you, you never lynch the un cc'd blue in this situatin like ever


Of course you can when theirs an unconfirmed number of poweroles and your power is blocked. I find it hard to believe your this confident in the balance of a sk game. How many sk games have you been in honestly answer that.

sicklucker earlire scip claimed roleblocked and you believed him and now you calling Damdred's Roleblock a lie? I guess I need to make it straight here with a simple question to FF
Can Mafia Roleblocker Roleblock someone and kill someone the same night?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 22 2014 21:14 GMT
#1626
My time here i've been in three each time was 13-14 players and we had three power roles. Life time amount probably 15 games where i've played with an sk in a 10-14 player setup usually had three power roles with anything more than 12 players.

@LS, Sure you like to sheep people as scum without thinking and pushing no original ideas forward. I think thats part of your scum meta. And honestly you pushed some of your own ideas and tried to push what you wanted through so i'm pretty sure that you are town here.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 22 2014 21:16 GMT
#1627
If dandreds the last mafia claiming he has to roleblock no one to have his story make sense so Ls that point is completely useless.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 22 2014 21:17 GMT
#1628
Anytime you have to deal with two kill powers in such a small game it has to be balanced or else scum/sk can just run away with the game without amazing town play or good blue play. But one slip up and the game is a landslide for scum so what do you do? Add a third power role, and can you honestly say in this setup with two kp against town that a save makes no sense at all?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 22 2014 21:20 GMT
#1629
Like ill vote who the two confirmed towns tell me to vote because I trust them on the balance shit more then you whos being accused and has only a bit more TL mafia experience then me based on posts. Put yourself in my shoes like I cant clear you for this weak claim.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 22 2014 21:29 GMT
#1630
.....based on posts? I've played like 4-5x the games you have, its not a weak claim at all in fact PALMAR who has 10x the hosting and mafia experience of both of us said i'm confirmed medic basically
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 22 2014 21:29 GMT
#1631
And calling sci confirmed town is like bad
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 22 2014 21:31 GMT
#1632
anyway i gotta go to the mall to pick up last of christmas so go ahead and get angry but yea
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
December 22 2014 21:37 GMT
#1633
well I was wrong apparently but can someone plz explain the logic in me claiming palmar is scum and then killing him right after so I can look stupid and shit town in thread.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 22 2014 21:44 GMT
#1634
Mafia KP can be carried by any mafia player without affecting that player's night actions
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 22 2014 21:52 GMT
#1635
On December 23 2014 06:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Mafia KP can be carried by any mafia player without affecting that player's night actions

Thanks for clarifying this!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 22 2014 21:55 GMT
#1636
On December 23 2014 06:37 Coagulation wrote:
well I was wrong apparently but can someone plz explain the logic in me claiming palmar is scum and then killing him right after so I can look stupid and shit town in thread.


Its so obviously bad right before the kill is announced that it can be a level? Im just ignoring it
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 22 2014 23:08 GMT
#1637
Man it's slow today anyone want to talk atm? Who you guys think is the last scum and why?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 22 2014 23:52 GMT
#1638
dunno
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
December 23 2014 00:43 GMT
#1639
Mafia such noob. Didn't kill me.

Tho Palmer prob did more than I.

Who we killing today?
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 23 2014 00:44 GMT
#1640
On December 23 2014 09:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Mafia such noob. Didn't kill me.

Tho Palmer prob did more than I.

Who we killing today?


this is your choice mostly as confirmed town
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