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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
I once again like NB's logic but I think you also have to look at it from the perspective that if marv is town, mafia would be hesitant to jump on the wagon as well because other than bunnies i havn't seen any actual logic on why we should vote marv. This being said some other reads from him would be nice. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On December 18 2014 11:39 sciberbia wrote: Can you point me to some specific posts? SL is weird.. kinda think he is town though Look at most of pages 36 and 37 | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On December 18 2014 11:34 Palmar wrote: Free town reads for Marv voters Yeah this is a deal at twice the price. ##Unvote ##Vote: Marv | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
He misrepresents certain things to make me look scummy. His reads have no backing behind them and are just one word.Most of them come out of the blue and do not change over time,the most telling of this is LS read which he did not even develop into just sheeped onto someone elses towncase. Complains about people poking at newer people but can't say why what they are doing is bad. Is not really scum hunting at all it seems. On Marv: Hes not being marv, not really giving much thoughts and his filter is really small for so far into d1  | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On December 18 2014 11:38 sciberbia wrote: sounds like a good deal ##Unvote ##Vote: marvellosity Did you look at all of those filters and how is your scum list coming | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On December 18 2014 11:52 Damdred wrote: Case on SL boils down to this (to me) He misrepresents certain things to make me look scummy. His reads have no backing behind them and are just one word.Most of them come out of the blue and do not change over time,the most telling of this is LS read which he did not even develop into just sheeped onto someone elses towncase. Complains about people poking at newer people but can't say why what they are doing is bad. Is not really scum hunting at all it seems. On Marv: Hes not being marv, not really giving much thoughts and his filter is really small for so far into d1 The underlined is not true. In fact his reads changing over time is a big reason I'm leaning town on him+ Show Spoiler + see my next post On December 18 2014 07:57 Damdred wrote: Like you aren't even telling people why im' scum in any of your posts you are just saying that you can read me well but don't show anything why i'm actually scum you just drop it. This is also not true. In the post you are quoting he says exactly why he thinks you are scum and the reason he gives is perfectly reasonable. It looks to me like you are misrepresnting him and not the other way around. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
eh i mean you and damdred were calling him scum so it doesn't seem weird to me that he defends himself. I agree with VE that you overstate the importance of votes. Couple things on those pages that make me think town + Show Spoiler [concerned with vets] + On December 18 2014 05:28 sicklucker wrote: Why cant we lynch players like jat or robik as an example why is everyone listing only the weaker players on their kill list. Im more scared of the good players being mafia. players like breske and dandred would be super easy to figure out as mafia as the game goes on. Guys like robik not so much. Im not saying to lynch them if you dont scum read them. Im asking why dont you want to lynch them if you scum read them. So far alot of players have listed the same players as who they would lynch and its mostly new players. On December 18 2014 05:33 sicklucker wrote: Like I agree I dont have a good reason yet. But ill be watching them since no one else seems to be. On December 18 2014 07:08 sicklucker wrote: I like that almost all of his posts try to figure out the hard part of the game. (the vets and not focusing on the easy to read and mislynch newer players) Oh and his vote is on dandred. I sympathize with his desire to determine the vet's alignment moreso than newer players because I felt much the same when I was newer at mafia. It's the "hard" / "interesting" part of the game. He maintains good consistency in this attitude throughout his filter so it's more likely to be genuine. + Show Spoiler [changing his reads] + On December 18 2014 05:35 sicklucker wrote: And coug dandred brought up a good point hes tunneling me not you. I wouldnt lynch dandred yet. On December 18 2014 05:45 sicklucker wrote: Altho robiks town list is actually pretty good, I actually agree with it so hes looking alot better in my eyes. I just dont like that he leaves off the big qeustion marks like marv and jat but your answer makes sense im not slight scum reading you anymore On December 18 2014 05:49 sicklucker wrote: Ive listed people and dandred scum read me for it. Now that I remember that was actually really scummy. Town palmar, ls ,scib kinda like robik now tbh I know im gonna look bad for it shoulda read his town reads more closely. leaning scum breske dandred. I take back not lynching dandred today, I forgot how bad his case against me was after my 1 hour sleep. I also like when players, especially newer ones, spontaenously change their reads in the thread. Scum tend to be calculating and make plans, such as "I will push players X and Y today while defending player Z." Townies are more spontaneous. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On December 18 2014 11:43 Breshke wrote: Can someone explain this wagon on marv a bit more i dont get it. He has done nothing this game but basically call me scum but there is others who have also done nothing. Is it expected that a town marv wouldn't play like this but a town kush would? Like i honestly don't know I have never played with marv before. I once again like NB's logic but I think you also have to look at it from the perspective that if marv is town, mafia would be hesitant to jump on the wagon as well because other than bunnies i havn't seen any actual logic on why we should vote marv. This being said some other reads from him would be nice. How about a lynch on Kush I made a case although I dont't it's the best but not the worst one earlier in the thread if you want to check it. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On December 18 2014 11:56 Damdred wrote: Did you look at all of those filters and how is your scum list coming SL: leaning town see above you: leaning scum but I see a few redeeming qualities marv: leaning scum with no redeeming qualities still have to reread bunnies, breshke not much to say on kush | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On December 18 2014 12:12 sciberbia wrote: The underlined is not true. In fact his reads changing over time is a big reason I'm leaning town on him+ Show Spoiler + see my next post This is also not true. In the post you are quoting he says exactly why he thinks you are scum and the reason he gives is perfectly reasonable. It looks to me like you are misrepresnting him and not the other way around. ...His read sporadically changed to sheeping you from a town case you made. That is not developing a read, thats sheeping an ok post out of nothing. His reads haven't really changed but we will be arguing semantics as I will hold that he is not doing anything or scum hunting on this point. And no hes not explaining why I am scum, he is trying to show meta wise why I am scum when he is doing nothing of the sort. He is taking one game out of many where I have been scum and I was being super lazy, so no his reasoning is not good and its horrible. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On December 18 2014 11:43 Breshke wrote: Can someone explain this wagon on marv a bit more i dont get it. He has done nothing this game but basically call me scum but there is others who have also done nothing. Is it expected that a town marv wouldn't play like this but a town kush would? Like i honestly don't know I have never played with marv before. free townreads man what's not to get. Honestly though, if neither kush nor marv post again before the end of the day, I'd probably vote kush over marv | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On December 18 2014 12:20 Damdred wrote: ...His read sporadically changed to sheeping you from a town case you made. That is not developing a read, thats sheeping an ok post out of nothing. His reads haven't really changed but we will be arguing semantics as I will hold that he is not doing anything or scum hunting on this point. And no hes not explaining why I am scum, he is trying to show meta wise why I am scum when he is doing nothing of the sort. He is taking one game out of many where I have been scum and I was being super lazy, so no his reasoning is not good and its horrible. @Damdred Well idk how you define changing/developing reads, but to me it looks like the only reads he hasn't changed over the course of the game are the palmar one and possibly the sciberbia one. What is horrible about his argument that you are scum? He said you have been under the radar this game, and that you are mainly tunneling one person. Meta arguments aside, both of those are scum traits, and I would contend both are reasonable descriptions of your play this game. Do you disagree? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On December 18 2014 12:31 sciberbia wrote: @Damdred Well idk how you define changing/developing reads, but to me it looks like the only reads he hasn't changed over the course of the game are the palmar one and possibly the sciberbia one. What is horrible about his argument that you are scum? He said you have been under the radar this game, and that you are mainly tunneling one person. Meta arguments aside, both of those are scum traits, and I would contend both are reasonable descriptions of your play this game. Do you disagree? I haven't been under the radar at all, I made a very loud and horrible entrance post that got attention drawn to me, I gave reads some were challenged and talk has been had with me and about me. So no i'm right on the radar and i've obviously been involved in things. Tunneling is not totally scum oriented at all, most people get tunneled at one point or another. While I admit that I scum read SL I at least try to understand why people town read him or do not scum read him. And i'm not ignoring others and giving opinions *shrug* So no i don't think its a fair assessment | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
has anything that's been said by or about SL recently changed your opinion on him? How confident are you currently that he is scum? | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On December 18 2014 12:24 Damdred wrote: I honestly think policy lynching Kush d1 is probably horrible, Vig him I could live with. I hate policy lynches though, and Kush has a recent history of just fucking off as town as much as he does mafia. But apparently we have 2 kushes this game. Veg only has 1 shot | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On December 18 2014 12:48 sciberbia wrote: well the fact that you keep talking yourself up reflects well on you I guess. has anything that's been said by or about SL recently changed your opinion on him? How confident are you currently that he is scum? SL basically said hes not moving his vote until Kush plays, it plays into my idea that hes just having the appearance of doing things instead of actually doing them. I'm not getting the same thing you are with the quote stream about robik, he said things, he got pressured about it then backed off. I do not get a towny vibe from that at all, the only thing he has somewhat stuck to is scum reading me (which he doesn't have his vote on) and policy lynching kush until kush plays. So no nothing is really changing my read on him currently. 72% right now | ||
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