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On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:01 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:58 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 07:55 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:53 batsnacks wrote:
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No it's not ridiculous. There are now 2 scum that didn't vote to save KSC. Yes bussing is cool when a guy is super afk after saying he liked the case on his partner but not the case on me and the people on me. If you want to make me understand that isn't the sentence that's going to do it. Ritoky said he flat out agreed on the case on kelsier when the votes were piling up on him. He went onto gb's case and said he didn't really agree with a lot of the points, I'm more of a ? Than kelsier and that the people on my wagon are suspicious. He literally couldn't do anything else BUT bus kelsier at this point and it wasn't a point at which the votes were 8-7 and switching could save kelsier. It was much before. Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't. Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious.
ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied.
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On December 16 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:01 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 07:58 batsnacks wrote:
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If you want to make me understand that isn't the sentence that's going to do it. Ritoky said he flat out agreed on the case on kelsier when the votes were piling up on him. He went onto gb's case and said he didn't really agree with a lot of the points, I'm more of a ? Than kelsier and that the people on my wagon are suspicious. He literally couldn't do anything else BUT bus kelsier at this point and it wasn't a point at which the votes were 8-7 and switching could save kelsier. It was much before. Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't. Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied. Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away
Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying?
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On December 16 2014 08:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:06 batsnacks wrote:
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Yeah he did describe trfel's kelsier case as a "slam dunk" which if he's mafia is a very strange decision considering your and his interaction at the start of the day. He had every reason to vote you... but didn't.
Which... I think that actually makes you look way worse. Like I said before given the choice between afk/hospital KSC and not afk/hospital HF, the choice is obvious. I would bus kelsier 10/10 times if that case was made and he was afk. I imagine most people would too. It doesn't matter if i look worse or not. It doesn't change my alignment. Judge me on what I do and not what yoi think mafia ritoky would be thinking at that random point in time. If you think I'm mafia because I'm playing badly and whatever then fine, you're wrong but i won't hate you for it, I'm playing pretty damn suboptimally but the fact of the matter is i called out this fucker yesterday, pushed him non-stop got berated by ALL OF YOU saying it doesn't make ritoky mafia and that we should let him live with a fucking present or whatever when actually I was right and it was by far the right play to just shoot him when i asked obi to n1. You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case. And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did. I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway? and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied. Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying? Please just learn to read. Ritoky bobbing along and sees a case that will get his team mate lynched like 90% of the time. Ritoky prepares to bus and says the case is a slam dunk. Ritoky sees people start to critique gb's case at this point in time saying it's not very good etc etc and sees that 3 people he has pushed as mafia that day are on that wagon, he sees that and prepares to give reasons why he'd not be on a town lynch aka avoiding suspicion. If he started to jump on MY wagon and i flipped town the people would look at the voters on me and instantly see that he jumped on a wagon with all his scum reads and ignored all the critiques of gb's case while calling out kelsier as mafia. That is so obviously scummy that he would try to avoid that at all costs. Especially as the vote between me and kelsier wasn't even close until near the deadline. So he leaves his options open. He doesn't actually call me town he critiques gbs case and leaves it open ended so he can still scum read me at a later date when he wouldn't draw as much suspicion to himself because everyone is just lynching me. If he did switch last minute as soon as i flipped town people would be all over a kelsier wagon today and he'd flip scum and ritoky would look absolutely terrible for switching off someone like kelsier onto town me after saying kelsier was a slam dunk. You keep thinking like the votes were always 8-7 when they weren't at all.
HF I really don't appreciate stuff like bolded when I'm trying to have a serious discussion with you. It makes me think you're not taking it seriously, which in turn makes me not take you seriously.
I see a lot of "if you were town" in what you just wrote.
"if HF is town" is not one of the conditionals I'm operating under right now.
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On December 16 2014 09:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:00 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:55 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:45 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:On December 16 2014 08:28 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 08:22 batsnacks wrote:
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You were afk at the end of d2, when the case was made, so there wasn't an opportunity for you to bus him based on that case.
And I'm not judging you based on what mafia ritoky would be thinking, I am judging you based on what mafia KSC and what mafia ritoky actually did.
I don't think you're playing badly not sure why you'd even say that. I don't think anyone this game, aside from SL, has said you were playing badly and who cares if he thinks that anyway?
and you pushing one of your scum buddies is not hard to believe, especially if you thought they were playing suboptimally, which, I think ritoky was playing sub-optimally with all his "presents" stuff as it got him killed. I'm not talking about what i would do. I implied that if i was mafia and saw that case then i would think my team mate would die 100% of the time, especially as loads of people switched at the time and then just bus him. Gb comes along and says rah rah my case is awesome but at that point people had already pointed out the multiple holes in his case and ritoky was one of them and couldn't join the anti mafia train. I am playing badly if I'm even up for consideration of being lynched. Let's just ignore everything but two facts for the purposes of this post: KSC, who was confirmed mafia, did not switch his vote to you despite being in the thread and posting at eod d2. ritoky, who I think is pretty obviously mafia, also did not switch his vote to you despite scum reading you for half the day. None of that has anything to do with how well you played. Both of those things make you scummy. So no, I don't think you're playing badly if you're a probable lynch target. I definitely never said you were playing badly. I never meant to imply it. It's not part of my message. Ritoky calls me a ? And he doesn't like ppl on my wagon before it even got that close so if he switches he outs himself as mafia when kelsier gets lynched today because i flipped town. Then kelsier dies AND ritoky dies. Or Bus team mate dying and get sweet sweet town cred. I think it's pretty obvious. ritoky is dying because of a very simple mistake. If I wasn't paying very careful attention to the rules, today would have looked a lot different. I probably would not have kept my vote on ritoky if I didn't -know- he lied. Yes because he fucking picked option 2??? That's literally exactly what I'm saying here as reasons for not switching. This game would look much more different if 2 people switched to me RIGHT at deadline after calling me town all game and also saying his scummy people were on my wagon and I was a? Compared to a slam dunk. That's like giving yourself away Are you trying to say that ritoky was calling you town all game? I'm not like patronizing or whatever but is that actually what you're saying? Please just learn to read. Ritoky bobbing along and sees a case that will get his team mate lynched like 90% of the time. Ritoky prepares to bus and says the case is a slam dunk. Ritoky sees people start to critique gb's case at this point in time saying it's not very good etc etc and sees that 3 people he has pushed as mafia that day are on that wagon, he sees that and prepares to give reasons why he'd not be on a town lynch aka avoiding suspicion. If he started to jump on MY wagon and i flipped town the people would look at the voters on me and instantly see that he jumped on a wagon with all his scum reads and ignored all the critiques of gb's case while calling out kelsier as mafia. That is so obviously scummy that he would try to avoid that at all costs. Especially as the vote between me and kelsier wasn't even close until near the deadline. So he leaves his options open. He doesn't actually call me town he critiques gbs case and leaves it open ended so he can still scum read me at a later date when he wouldn't draw as much suspicion to himself because everyone is just lynching me. If he did switch last minute as soon as i flipped town people would be all over a kelsier wagon today and he'd flip scum and ritoky would look absolutely terrible for switching off someone like kelsier onto town me after saying kelsier was a slam dunk. You keep thinking like the votes were always 8-7 when they weren't at all. HF I really don't appreciate stuff like bolded when I'm trying to have a serious discussion with you. It makes me think you're not taking it seriously, which in turn makes me not take you seriously. I see a lot of "if you were town" in what you just wrote. "if HF is town" is not one of the conditionals I'm operating under right now. Then stop trying to have a fucking discussion with me if you aren't going to listen. You're literally just saying you are having a discussion with me for no reason if you are saying there's no conditional for me being town. I've posted the above like 4 times and it's frustrating that you aren't listening.
Fair enough.
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On December 16 2014 08:46 ritoky wrote:
know you'll be lynching a town who hammered the mafia last phase. My bad.
This is ritoky's argument that he's innocent.
When we prove him wrong HF will be mafia.
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On December 16 2014 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
I still won't be but ok
but I'll still <3 u
xoxoxoxoxoxo
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Okay being serious.
What if ritoky and HF are BOTH town? What if we believe everything they expect us to believe.
ritoky made a bad decision and got himself into a bad cycle of lies
HF is being incriminated by an apathetic KSC and ritoky who made a bad decision and got himsrlf into a bad cycle of lies
What then?
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On December 16 2014 11:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 10:59 batsnacks wrote:
Okay being serious.
What if ritoky and HF are BOTH town? What if we believe everything they expect us to believe.
ritoky made a bad decision and got himself into a bad cycle of lies
HF is being incriminated by an apathetic KSC and ritoky who made a bad decision and got himsrlf into a bad cycle of lies
What then?
If it's 4 mafia and they have 2kp then it's 2 mislynches which is 12vs4 Mislynch and 2kp is 9vs4 Mislynch and 2kp is 6vs4 lylo
Can you do what you just did except with names instead of numbers?
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I do not think a ritoky lynch is negotiable for me
Maybe a HF lynch is negotiable for me. So if HF is town what's important is to find exactly who's scummier than him.
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If Ritoky is mafia then HF is mafia.
If you don't think HF is mafia then you honestly have no business voting ritoky.
If HF is town then ritoky is just a stupid lynch liars policy.
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So you think KSC wasted his vote to give ritoky town credit too?
You think they traded 2 scum for a HF mislynch?
I don't think so.
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How many people are scum reading ritoky but not HF?
If this is true for you pls explain why you are scum reading ritoky.
@ritoky please walk me through from the beginning exactly what happened with you claiming and how much of what youve said is true. Start from when you first received the present, if you even did receive a present.
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btw usually when people sheep me really bad stuff happens...
just saying
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On December 17 2014 07:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 07:50 batsnacks wrote:
btw usually when people sheep me really bad stuff happens...
just saying Lol, the quintessential disclaimer. My current lynch pushes have a successful scum lynch rate of 1:1 lol. Cross your fingers and hope it becomes 2:1? Bats, you were right on all yours last game. 
Yeah but no one was sheeping me then.
I'm like 0/8 when it comes to people sheeping me.
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Holy bat traps batman
I broke my curse
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It's unfortunate that mafia will be killing me tonight and I don't trust you guys to lynch HF without me.
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On December 17 2014 08:25 sicklucker wrote:
Actually ok this is not that bad. If we can agree that ff was the green check then holyflare is confirmed town. Thats like almost auto...
what
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This is exactly I don't trust you guys to lynch HF without me.
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I want everyone who isn't going to vote HF tomorrow to type and post the following:
"I believe that at least two members of the mafia team, given the choice between killing town and killing mafia, chose to kill mafia."
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On December 17 2014 08:40 sicklucker wrote:
Oats could be mafia he missed the vote and most votes in a game where he was town. Froggy could be mafia he missed the vote. I think gb and others missed the vote too.
Like mafia never votes very well from my experience their too scared to change their views. Ksc was also a pretty late wagon.
This is what you believe SL:
I believe that at least two members of the mafia team, given the choice between killing town and killing mafia, chose to kill mafia.
Doesn't that embarrass you?
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