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rsoultin
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I see what looks like a progression of a read there GB. Or possibly a reaction to you trying to push him. Neither of those are necessarily mafia tells, and the first is flat-out townie. You saying he's being more inconsistent than you're used to is also pure meta. Just like most of Rit's haphazard case. @Bats Do you have a case? If you do, I haven't seen it. | ||
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Your second argument would carry more weight if he wasn't the first one to vote her. Froggy would have seemed to be a simple one to convince people of at the time, imo. Especially with the claim that if someone seems scummy to you, they should be voted as scum. Your first argument I can see. | ||
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On December 13 2014 12:32 batsnacks wrote: Vivax vote Trfel with me? Or maybe rsoultin. He has a stick up his ass this game. He was a lot calmer last game. I've never seen anyone engage me as calmly as he did in Student Mafia and I was out in full force. Lol, I think you called me a stubborn, ignorant ass, actually. But maybe I was a calm stubborn ignorant ass? (Not sure where the not calm comment is coming from, though.) Also think Oats called me something like depressive and...another word that means an asshole, I can't remember. It's not really that unusual for me to take a strong stance on something or someone. I think anyone from my last game would corroborate that. Regardless of meta reads... You never did tell me your case on HF bats. | ||
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For instance, your meta-read on me was laughable. SL doesn't like me at all this game (or most of last game) and still called you on it. You've been pretty all over the place lately. That and if you're town wouldn't you want us to lynch the right person? Or you're just content throwing names out... | ||
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I will say, though, that GB looks like a good lynch to me today. Drunk or not. He's managed to have an excuse all game...not sitting well with me at all. | ||
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GB I don't like for all the excuses. His reads are half-assed and usually he doesn't bother to support or back things up. More concerning to me than that is his call for everyone to roleclaim. We've got 3 downed disgruntled workers, 1 downed joyful child and 1 claimed one. We've also got a claimed ghost. And if I remember correctly another might have claimed but I'm not 100% on that. Add to that the masons and the rest of the ghosts? Other than a few outliers there, that tells scum that everyone who hasn't claimed and isn't scum probably has a role. It's a terrible idea and I'm assuming GB has been around enough to know that. Benefits scum more than town. I'm also inclined to take a look at FF, but he's more null/null leaning scum for me due to his sheeping/few posts and bats is similar...I don't like that he's not backing up all his claims of who is scum and who isn't. But to be honest he got like this the one time before when I played with him and he was town, and I'm leery of being too quick to pull the trigger on him again. Trfel I think is a great spot to look to on Day 3 if he still doesn't follow through with the reads he promised. That said, there are a lot of people here, so if he's really going through it with a fine-tooth comb I could see why it's taking so long. | ||
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On December 13 2014 13:51 Vivax wrote: I do have a question and it's the fact that you bring up more points on ritoky being scum than GB being scum. You make a whole list of points that in your opinion speak for ritoky being mafia but your reasons for voting GB are that he's not living up to your standards and making excuses. From my perspective your preference should be weighted towards ritoky. Why isn't that the case? @ Bats (and thread) Trfel didn't copypaste anything from me last game. I only gave him general advice on the game, he made his own reads and posts. For today I would prioritize FF and GB given the NKs and the arguments on the two which are less gut based than the others, also I'm waiting for you (bats) to give me your thoughts on the other guys I mentioned, please. My initial vote on GB was for pressure. I more or less stated as much in the Bring on the reads, scummy comment at the end. He's still not performing. | ||
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On December 13 2014 14:14 sicklucker wrote: Your case is way too good on this makes me suspect you I feel like you were role hunting or copied this out of the scum qt. Your correct mafia could sniff this out except there more likely to wait to do something about it as hes going to die on his own 1/3 times. Its a waste of kp especially with a rber who can get ride of it with 1 visit forever. Also if its the seer present they can kill him the next night before he reveals so its only 1/3 presents that can hurt them the next night. Its just too much of a coincidence but possible altho very unlikely which is why I said 90% not 100%. Also not that important. But you gave it more thought at the time then me which is interesting. Kinda dumb for me as mafia to post something from a scum QT, no? Though at least my point has now been made. Not hard at all to guess where that present was going. (To be honest, though, if you're even inclined to listen which I can understand if you're not given how often we've butted heads today, I was actually going back through your filter to find out where you'd said it/why I thought you'd said it. I usually do doublecheck things when people say I'm getting stuff mixed up. Done it several times this game.) | ||
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rsoultin
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I do get the feeling that ritoky and GB are the same alignment. I also think, however, that you need to broaden your reads to more than just presents. (May sound funny coming from me I know) but I don't think you've talked about much else this game. If you have...I don't remember much of it. | ||
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On December 13 2014 14:24 sicklucker wrote: So heres why I think its unlikely gb is mafia since he does not have his full wits. So gb gives his present to ritoky. I disagree but its most likely from a town perspective let me explain. Ritiky was a mislynch candidate its really bad for a mafia to give a present to a mislynch target because a present is the same as a role and he can clear himself like if ritoky kills mafia in the night. The only way gb is mafia and gives the present to him is if they are both mafia which still does not make any sense because they should just never mention it. Like only a town is going to say they have a present because they can look scummy if it ends up in bad hands or used incorrectly. Like mafia almost always never says they have a present. Theres a reason only 2 of the 3 present givers came out because the third is mafia. Oh and gb sent his present to ritoky like 3 hours after the game started. I dont think a mafia jumps the gun like that. Okay, so have you considered the scenario where one mafia might give another mafia a present (because obviously giving town one isn't going to be to their advantage). Said mafia could claim it (especially a NK but also a seer cause they know everyone's alignment already), not open it, and pass it on to another mafia again. Thus delaying a potential lynch of the suspicious mafia member another day. I'm not saying this is what happened, but is it not possible? | ||
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On December 13 2014 14:42 sicklucker wrote: Yes of course which is why im not saying their for sure town just more likely. Individually they dont seem townie but together they do if that makes sense. Like I have them both null leaning town but together that makes them a pretty strong town. Its really risky and bad to align themselves like this which is more fuel to suspect their town. Well, much as I'm tempted to call that WIFOM SL...pretty much everything to do with presents is WIFOM, so I can't fault you that much. Please try to make some more real reads though. The multiple calls to all roleclaim from GB is almost enough in and of itself to justify my lynching him, given the doubts I have regarding so many others playing right now. Maybe his case will convince me otherwise...but it'd have to be one hell of a case. | ||
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I'd support that lynch if people don't like GB for it...or he convinces me to change my mind about him. Also would support ritoky for lynch...just don't see that one happening today. Does anyone else have any other cases to consider? | ||
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I'm not 100% townreading you but you're higher on my list than most. SL is a town read. Both Viva and Xatalos I think. LS though that's mostly based off a roleclaim. I think that's it lol. Damdred died, damn him. lots of nulls and slights this game tch. though no scum has flipped yet so I guess that's normal. | ||
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Heh, don't actually agree on that one, Viva. FF isn't the worst lynch we could do (which is why I wouldn't cry tears over it) but based off of NKs when we're not sure who or what killed who...and also assuming that there weren't any other reasons for killing them other than their scum reads...seems like a stretch. I'm willing to entertain a proper case against FF though. Even willing to look at him more closely myself, but he does come off a lot like another kush lol >< | ||
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I didn't make your list! Lol, I was certain you'd list me as scum this game xP A game with SL and Rsoul without SL calling Rsoul scum is no real game at all. | ||
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I reread the case on feast...he's almost a plynch for me. Like I said, no tears but...he's not my first choice. Please don't yell at me again ;o; I'm so sensitive and all you know xP Plus I just read the post where you called me a gnat. NOT FAIR. ^Point of the post was I'll vote FF if no one better is being pushed, and only then | ||
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