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On December 14 2014 06:06 Trfel wrote: Ok, I'm pretty suspicious of KelsierSC. The first real thing he does in the game are these posts, which I'm sure everyone is familiar with: This feels really weak to me, especially now that KelsierSC linked the game that he refers to. I don't understand how he can possibly find Fecalfeast the slightest bit scummy for this. It feels like he is really forcing this read from nothing, while potentially identifying a stupid Scrooge (which happened...) and appearing towny. Same with his early townread on Holyflare. Even Holyflare says that it is weak, and I agree. We've already established that Holyflare is really good at playing Mafia, and that makes it really hard to identify him. So no, a meta case that early into the game isn't very good. This post again lacks substance, and feels like he is making a read for the purpose of making a read. This post seems to take even more force out of his meta case on Fecalfeast. Is it really a good argument, if he isn't sure himself what Fecalfeast's day 1 play is like? KelsierSC and I seem to be the only two people who read batsnacks as town for the post he made on Half the Sky. (Since then, batsnacks' play has made me much more suspicious, but that isn't the point of this post). The weird thing is, KelsierSC read batsnacks as town because he agreed with batsnacks' post. The validity of batsnacks' post has since been shown to be very questionable, but KelsierSC hasn't changed his stance. KelsierSC then spends several posts focusing on Alakaslam. Here is his explanation. Later, he goes back on this and says that this didn't end up working out. More words, less analysis. His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced. Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all. The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself. In conclusion, I would be happy to lynch KelsierSC. Moreso than Fecalfeast, anyway. Obviously it's not certain, but it seems better than anything else. Now I will take a look at GlowingBear's complete case on Holyflare. i think this is really good....like really good...this guy super town, kels moved up from my mid tier mafia read to likely mafia. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote: REALLY RITOKY? I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE? i was 30 pages behind cuz of work, chillax; getting to it. also it was trfel, not templar; you should try reading it. it is pretty good. | ||
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Re GB's case on HF: 1) I think this point is okay at best, it shows an instance of HF acting contrary to what he is saying but in and of itself it is not a compelling reason to read someone scum. 2) I really dislike all of your stuff surrounding froggynoddy, mainly because the guy is a low volume poster who I have 0 read on and often forget even exists. So it is hard for me to gauge the situation when I have no fucking clue about 1 of the parties involved. More about this point in 4. However, I completely agree with your point about the uneven criticism of 27nb and vivax, and HF giving 1 a free pass but not the other. HF defended against it earlier claiming they did completely different things, but I just feel he was characterizing similar play differently for a convenient defense. 3) Fine with this point, think it is quality. 4) Again froggynoddy, I just don't see these points. Like, read HFs post, even he seems confused about his read on Froggynoddy: "kiiiiiiiiiiinda towny/idunno". I think you're characterizing him in this instance as having a much stronger read than he actually has, and criticizing him for having that fictitious read. Don't like these points surrounding froggynoddy. 5) I wouldn't call it "discrediting you to try to survive" since he had 0 vote pressure at the time, but I understand the point and yes he is being inconsistent/contradictory. Remove froggynoddy and I think it is an okay case. I still think the most compelling thing about HF is what I pointed out, which he is doing again this phase. He slaps his vote on an early scum read, leaves it there all phase. Then in the thread he pushes on a bunch of targets and follows through on it with 0 vote pressure. Town HF follows his pushes with vote pressure. That said, deciding which of kels, HF, FF is the most likely to flip scum atm. It is seriously christmas for me, my top 3 scum are the top 3 lynch candidates. | ||
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i just find trfel's case really the most compelling thing in the thread at the moment. like slam dunk kind of compelling. i also think slam is town, lian is town, and trfel is town; whereas i have some question marks on the HF wagon. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:02 Trfel wrote: Phwew. I'm so relieved now. except the part where you bailed off the scum that you made a really compelling case on for no real reason.... | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:08 sicklucker wrote: Like dont even start I was all aboard lynching him untill he refused to try to save himself... so on board that you never voted on him once, and were berating those voting on him...now you're role hunting? if you're town, wtf are you doing. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:11 Trfel wrote: Unless I'm missing something, please don't do this. If the mafia know who you are planning on shooting, they can roleblock you if you choose a mafia, or let you shoot if you choose a town. I am not saying I am going to shoot who x person tells me to or the majority says. I want to know, if everyone in the game had a bullet like I do tonight, who would you shoot. 1 person, and why. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote: im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them. you literally just asked roles to claim....wtf are you even doing? | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:29 liancourt wrote: anyone could have switched and caused shennanigans but no one did...why? i'm inlcined to think hf is mafia too. And it's really scummy that he comes right after the flip. What was he doing not defending himself or trying to convince others to vote kel or ff to save himself. Instead he lurked until the flip and suddenly comes in. HF's game thus far has been really underwhelming and a HF that makes IRL excuses and being underwhelming non pushing and just overall having a bad game is really hurting town and i'm really inclined to think that it's scum HF playing like this. He poses a big threat to town if he's scum, and right now he's been practically useless. the guy who started the wagon jumped off 4 mins before the end to try to cause shennanies.....even after he made a really good case....i am so confused by that | ||
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SEA \o\ HAWKS /o/ | ||
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ritoky (1): kushm4sta 27ninjabunnies (11): The_Templar, Holyflare, batsnacks, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Koshi, Xatalos, Tubesock, Trfel, Fecalfeast The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy Vivax (1): Oatsmaster GlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (3): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, rsoultin froggynoddy (1): Half the Sky Not Voting (0): 27ninjabunnies was lynched! The End of Counts KelsierSC (8): liancourt, Alakaslam, Tubesock, Half the Sky, rsoultin, ritoky, Xatalos, ObiwanShinobi Tubesock (2): froggynoddy, LightningStrike Holyflare (7): GlowingBear, batsnacks, The_Templar, sicklucker, Vivax, Fecalfeast, Trfel Fecalfeast (2): Holyflare, KelsierSC Vivax (1): Oatsmaster KelsierSC was lynched! Some quick points I noticed at a glance, might revisit this a bit later for more in-depth analysis: - Vote wasters: oats, lightningstrike, froggynoddy (I would bet quite a bit that AT LEAST 1 of them is mafia) - Voting block: batsnacks, templar, sicklucker, fecalfeast have voted with eachother both times. - Slam was either bussing pretty hard, or is likely town for voting on Kels 2x consecutively reading rest of thread now | ||
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On December 15 2014 12:43 GlowingBear wrote: Rsoultin, what do you think of Xatalos? Ritoky, why were you reading ff as mafia on day1? FF sheeped my read word for word a couple posts after I made the read (at a time where he was very active), I asked him for his read on me, he said null. I thought and still think that is crap. If you sheep a read that hard you should at least have leaning town on the person you're sheeping. He attempted to dumb tell it away by claiming to have not read the post with my read in it; which I still think is a bold faced lie. Outside of that, he was whining, making excuses, all of his reads were meta reads, and he refused to address any points brought up against him. I still think he is scum right now. | ||
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On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote: Ritoky, did you waste your bullet? If yes, who did you try to shoot? I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed. As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say. | ||
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On December 15 2014 11:56 LightningStrike wrote: I just got home and saw our Santa and Arnold dead and no one else killed. I did claim Ghost of Christmas Present for all of you guys start of Day 2. Anyone can claim Roleblocked so I not buying Rito's story about that. ##Vote Ritoky why? you say you don't believe it, but why? you also said you didn't want me alive last phase yet you ninja switched to tubesock without a word. why? | ||
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of what? i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho | ||
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On December 15 2014 13:05 LightningStrike wrote: The scum slip from tubesock was my main reason. But also I wouldn't of been able to lynch you since everyone else wanted to keep you alive and felt tubesock was prob our best lynch until the KSC case came in from Tfrel while I was gone during the end part of Day 2 which I wasn't there for. why did you post-flip justify yourself, while you actually ninja-voted going along with thread sentiment. also, it is very easy to say i would have done x. in hindsight, i would vote on scum every single time! see i can do it too. | ||
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