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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 02:10 GMT
#1733
On December 12 2014 11:05 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 10:57 Half the Sky wrote:
On December 12 2014 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
He talked about me not pushing bunnies adequately (haha) not xata.


On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:
she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep.


That is the quote I was referring to, unless you understood him differently.


in regards to vivax, kels, and xat; i meant he is pushing on them in the thread, but following it up with 0 vote pressure in terms of actually trying to lynch them. read my more recent post to understand a little bit more.


2 of those 3 people aren't even my scum reads
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 02:14 GMT
#1736
On December 12 2014 11:10 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
I can also quote a few games where I've done the same thing as town ritoky. That's a greatly disingenuous read. The first titanic paint is an example where i just leave my vote on dp the entire game. That's just off the top of my head. You also said "hf is calm as mafia" but are only just now explaining how i went "ham on my scum read obi". Yet here you're trying to paint me as classic scum hf because I DIDN'T go ham on my scum read?? Its also a bit weird to even mention post count number when I'm restricted to a maximum of 4 pages so can't even afford to play around and tunnel.


in hearthstone i asked you directly why you weren't angry, and then you got angry 3 posts after it.


My emotional state in a game isn't related to my alignment at all. You also criticised me of not being salty and pushing people for bad votes right after i was criticising people for bad votes so your whole point is baseless.

I have literally no idea how you can even have this read at all. These games are not alike in the slightest. Like just LAST game i was scum read for not giving a shit about the lynch/not pushing who i thought was scum at deadline. Guess who pushed that? Mafia geript. Guess what I was? Town



Gg get rekt

##vote ritoky
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 02:29 GMT
#1745
Game before that then. Obviously not a game where what I say isn't what's happening -.-

I already explained how it's not the same at all. Your point 2 i already explained means nothing because I do it as town and literally gave an example which you just dismissed to talk about me being angry and this game I'm restricted to 4 pages max a cycle which makes gameplay totally different. If your meta doesn't carry over at all its not an alignment indicative meta. I don't understand how you can continue to push/believe this at all when presented with overwhelming evidence from not only me but multiple people saying otherwise unless you are mafia.

It feels like what you quoted of me doing to obi in that mafia game is what you're trying and failing to do to me. You have something that looks scummy to you and you stick to it like a dog as your only proper read because it looks like you're contributing etc.

All I can say is that you're pushing the wrong guy and I suggest you try and contribute elsewhere as people I'm sure are absolutely sick of you pressing the same meta and if they agreed they would have already said so. Do something else with you limited post counts because all your reasoning is out there now and you are wasting mine quite successfully.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 02:36 GMT
#1747
Actually no it was last game. Russian mini. Fu ritoky
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 02:48 GMT
#1754
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 30 2014 04:11 geript wrote:
I'd give JAT confirmed town status but iirc correctly he's had huge filters as mafia before. I've started feeling worse and worse about HF. It's not just not lynching scum. Most of his town games as of late have had ridiculous activity. In my experience HF is less active as mafia. And yes, 12 pages on D1 is low activity for him. More importantly:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
the relief is glorious

For someone who's relieved and I presume excited to roll town again his filter including length doesn't really show it. Especially when it gets to the lynch.
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On November 29 2014 04:49 Holyflare wrote:
I would lynch jat and palmar. Not honestly sure about damd tbh but wouldn't mind the pressure on him for now, wave feeels a bit unfocused but I'm not sure why i feel like that and I haven't really read him properly it just feels that way from watching him interact so kiiind of wary on that

Would lynch sentinel


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On November 29 2014 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
Absolutely nobody will follow you jat. Just like nobody will probably follow me. I'm content with both tbh.

These are important for two reasons. HF could absolutely push a lynch on JAT or anyone he wanted. As town, HF hammers what he believes to be true. He a conceited asshole who has no doubts whatsoever in his ability (it's part of the reason I enjoy playing with him). But when you look at the lynch it's far more ambivalence.

Also note:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
yeh it looked towny enough to move to sentinel

##unvote
##vote sentinel


Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 07:44 Holyflare wrote:
On November 29 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
yeh it looked towny enough to move to sentinel

##unvote
##vote sentinel


maybe not actually his filter has more stuff than i remembered

##unvote

3 minutes to read and analyze a filter is quite fast. Seeing as how HF has seemed to be phone posting most if not all the time, that's blazing. More likely though it's just bullshit.
For Damdred beaing a great lynch in HF's own words he ends up on a meh GB.
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On November 29 2014 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
On November 29 2014 07:47 marvellosity wrote:
GB over, say, Sn0, HF?


honestly i have no idea and the gb defending damd and damd defending gb is just too weird

Like this is really odd. The argument applies equally both ways. HF thinks these things through as town. He's an exceptionally logic based player. But look at the length of his progression.
1. Would lynch JAT, Palmer, Sent; Damdred ambivalent
2. Shit fight with JAT but is content with no one sheeping him on JAT
3. Damdred (some who has been flawless reading Damdred) is a good lynch
4. Will listen to Damdred
5. Damdred towny enough to move to sent
6. Sent towny enough in filter to switch elsewhere
7. Ends on GB

HF's previous 100% lock solid read on Damdred changes. JAT a preferred lynch come rely disappears and is never pushed. Mystical speed reading ability. GB move out of ass over suggestions (Marv/me) toward Sn0. A person (sent) who is a preferred lynch hasn't been read whatsoever but can be cleared in 3 minutes.

HF is scum. He's not caring about getting a right lynch. He only cares about a not mafia lynch.



Geript case for reference. Eerily similar to what ritoky is pushing. Aka total tripe. You should be voting him until he produces things today. He's saying "oh I've done so much" but isn't pushing anything useful today other than baseless crap on me. So really he's done nothing but go yolo on one town and not updated his other reads today. Which he is calling me mafia for when he is incredibly guilty of it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 02:50 GMT
#1755
Talking about the 5 mafia thing?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 02:54 GMT
#1759
On December 12 2014 11:52 sicklucker wrote:
And holy. ritoky is basically an uncced veg/cop with 1 bullet or check. Why are you voting him? Your looking more scummy then him for doing it.


You kidding me? I'm voting for someone I think is absolutely mafia and you're telling me you don't want me to vote for a potential mafia vig/cop?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 02:55 GMT
#1761
Like wtf i have no idea how you can possibly say that to me. How crazy are you????

"yeh hf you look scummy for not wanting mafia to get an extra kp or role check"
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 02:59 GMT
#1766
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 03:02 GMT
#1770
Huh?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 03:06 GMT
#1773
On December 12 2014 12:02 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 11:59 ritoky wrote:
wtf are you saying SL? like....if you think i am mafia you should totally have hf's perspective. so either you think i am null/town or you're making literal 0 sense.


Dude your the equivalent of a un cced veg to me. We dont kill un cced veggies.


I don't get how you go from voting ritoky because you think he's mafia and opening presents was dumb to saying he's like an unclaimed vig??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 03:08 GMT
#1774
Also I'm not going to sheep you until he actually talks. You know... Properly
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 03:09 GMT
#1776
On December 12 2014 12:09 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:00 sicklucker wrote:
On December 12 2014 11:59 rsoultin wrote:
On December 12 2014 11:54 sicklucker wrote:
Like ritokys gonna sort himself out in the night. Just treat him like we were gonna vote him out and claimed cop. We cant vote him out. He can prove hes town tomorrow. If he does notill be the first to vote him.


Lol, you were fine with killing Kush (via vig) but not Ritoky when they've basically done the same thing? Typical nonsensical SL.


no I was number 1 against it. Way to show your observation skills. And screw you


That was FF. Dude -_- I am really getting people mixed up this game. Too many new faces, too many posts. Fair enough. I retract my nonsensical statement lol.


Oh no, he's still nonsensical
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 03:12 GMT
#1778
No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES.

I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 03:18 GMT
#1782
Nobody is discrediting you. You are being outright pig headed. You are ignoring any and all reasons to vote someone scummy because you think your logic is correct when you haven't equated for the very real chance that ritoky is mafia. Which would be super bad. Stick to scum hunting not role speculation.

Nobody is ignoring your tube thing either. I keep bringing it up and you just keep not responding to it at all. Rasp was talking about tube, you and templar are too. That's literally all of us that are around.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 03:20 GMT
#1783
There's literally nothing more to say other than he might have slipped and didn't respond to it properly really either.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 03:23 GMT
#1787
On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES.

I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all.


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?


How is it even better wtf? "oh i shot this guy cz he looked scummy, sorry he ended up town guys!" could come from either alignment. If he says he has a role check tomorrow and we've mislynched today then that's also pretty much lylo too??

Play the game dude. Stop this crap. Judge him on his play and not his present opening ability otherwise you won't improve at this game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 03:32 GMT
#1793
Tube I'm absolutely going to be lazy if I want to be. If you have something useful to say then say it in a way that isn't slam speak. In a way that doesn't switch conventional terms into terms like nice/naughty. You want to know why nobody reads slam? It's because people are traditionally lazy and can't be bothered to decipher multiple things.

It's your job to convince us of things you find, not find it yourseld and tell us to not be lazy and do the work. You also never responded to the criticisms about the 5 mafia post.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 03:52 GMT
#1802
On December 12 2014 12:49 sicklucker wrote:
Actually mafia knows when dandred dies the kill presents probably gone. So ya ritoky could totally do this as mafia unfortunately.


... Not going to say this again but i am... Ritoky claimed before damd died.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 12 2014 04:41 GMT
#1816
It's outrageous that you are saying people are just posting meta and not reads but aren't acknowledging anything we are saying that doesn't include meta. Also you're angry that we mislynched and are playing bad??? The mislynch gives so much info about people's motives which you aren't particularly going into at all

Also going to Belgium today so will be on later.
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