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HTS is mafia. Ritoky isn't.
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Guys I've actually read the thread and all the "reads" I have feel like junk. It is intensely frustrating reading 15 pages of stuff and not a walking away with any fresh insights other than "this guy scum slipped" or "god damn this push makes no sense how are people so passionate about this."
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I think HF is mafia though
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Vivax vote Trfel with me?
Or maybe rsoultin. He has a stick up his ass this game. He was a lot calmer last game. I've never seen anyone engage me as calmly as he did in Student Mafia and I was out in full force.
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On December 13 2014 13:08 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 12:32 batsnacks wrote:
Vivax vote Trfel with me?
Or maybe rsoultin. He has a stick up his ass this game. He was a lot calmer last game. I've never seen anyone engage me as calmly as he did in Student Mafia and I was out in full force. Lol, I think you called me a stubborn, ignorant ass, actually. But maybe I was a calm stubborn ignorant ass? (Not sure where the not calm comment is coming from, though.) Also think Oats called me something like depressive and...another word that means an asshole, I can't remember. It's not really that unusual for me to take a strong stance on something or someone. I think anyone from my last game would corroborate that. Regardless of meta reads... You never did tell me your case on HF bats.
I don't need a case to think he's mafia. I need a case to convince you he's mafia.
I have the former, not the latter.
capisce?
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Vivax vote Trfel or no?
Exactly how much of his play in Student Mafia was copy-pasting stuff you wrote? Because Trfel this game is -nothing- like Trfel that game.
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@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about.
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On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Why are you ignoring everything I say?
I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone.
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On December 13 2014 14:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Why are you ignoring everything I say? I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone. Yes that's not what I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=100#1986You also call me mafia after gb's "case" but don't even acknowledge any of what I/vivax/rsoultin have said to counter it. It looks like you're just freely tagging onto whoever is being scum read tbh
I agreed with one of your reads, 27nb. Approx. half the game did.
If I felt that strongly about you being mafia I would try a lot harder to get you lynched. I just think you might be mafia, and I have this idea that other people (not GB) might have that feeling too but are keeping quiet about it because they're scared or smth.
I voted HTS because I couldn't remember a single thing she posted except for asking for MORE reading material.
I might have voted tubesock for saying there are 5 mafia.
I was the first person this game to point out Trfel is not himself. I still think Trfel is not himself. Vivax has said he doesn't think Trfel is himself, and Vivax coached him last game. So I was wondering if Vivax wanted to vote Trfel with me. He apparently doesn't because he has other "gut reads" to worry about or something.
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On December 13 2014 14:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 14:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Why are you ignoring everything I say? I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone. Yes that's not what I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=100#1986You also call me mafia after gb's "case" but don't even acknowledge any of what I/vivax/rsoultin have said to counter it. It looks like you're just freely tagging onto whoever is being scum read tbh I agreed with one of your reads, 27nb. Approx. half the game did. If I felt that strongly about you being mafia I would try a lot harder to get you lynched. I just think you might be mafia, and I have this idea that other people (not GB) might have that feeling too but are keeping quiet about it because they're scared or smth. I voted HTS because I couldn't remember a single thing she posted except for asking for MORE reading material. I might have voted tubesock for saying there are 5 mafia. I was the first person this game to point out Trfel is not himself. I still think Trfel is not himself. Vivax has said he doesn't think Trfel is himself, and Vivax coached him last game. So I was wondering if Vivax wanted to vote Trfel with me. He apparently doesn't because he has other "gut reads" to worry about or something. Well this post actually makes me happy for a change. Kinda was thinking about the trfel thing too because of how he's been defending ff.
WELL it makes me supremely unhappy because all of my scum reads are completely out of the spotlight, and they're not even that strong.
Like, ritoky claiming present is suboptimal, but I can't vote him after how he defended himself.
GB I don't even think is being that bad.
FF... maybe he's mafia? How does anyone know he's not just apathetic? I am... why wouldn't he be?
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On December 13 2014 14:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 14:39 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:27 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Why are you ignoring everything I say? I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone. Yes that's not what I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=100#1986You also call me mafia after gb's "case" but don't even acknowledge any of what I/vivax/rsoultin have said to counter it. It looks like you're just freely tagging onto whoever is being scum read tbh I agreed with one of your reads, 27nb. Approx. half the game did. If I felt that strongly about you being mafia I would try a lot harder to get you lynched. I just think you might be mafia, and I have this idea that other people (not GB) might have that feeling too but are keeping quiet about it because they're scared or smth. I voted HTS because I couldn't remember a single thing she posted except for asking for MORE reading material. I might have voted tubesock for saying there are 5 mafia. I was the first person this game to point out Trfel is not himself. I still think Trfel is not himself. Vivax has said he doesn't think Trfel is himself, and Vivax coached him last game. So I was wondering if Vivax wanted to vote Trfel with me. He apparently doesn't because he has other "gut reads" to worry about or something. Well this post actually makes me happy for a change. Kinda was thinking about the trfel thing too because of how he's been defending ff. WELL it makes me supremely unhappy because all of my scum reads are completely out of the spotlight, and they're not even that strong. Like, ritoky claiming present is suboptimal, but I can't vote him after how he defended himself. GB I don't even think is being that bad. FF... maybe he's mafia? How does anyone know he's not just apathetic? I am... why wouldn't he be? I do have the same feeling of just not giving a shit about half the time this game but I still remember at least what I've been thinking. Lonemeow's point about ff forgetting his scum read on bunnies entirely is great and shows he's just not thinking about anything and vivax's point about him pushing slam on things that are unreadable over bunnies etc makes it even more likely he is mafia.
I remember everything Lonemeow said.
You'd vote FF over Trfel though?
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On December 13 2014 14:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 14:53 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:46 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:39 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:27 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Why are you ignoring everything I say? I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone. Yes that's not what I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=100#1986You also call me mafia after gb's "case" but don't even acknowledge any of what I/vivax/rsoultin have said to counter it. It looks like you're just freely tagging onto whoever is being scum read tbh I agreed with one of your reads, 27nb. Approx. half the game did. If I felt that strongly about you being mafia I would try a lot harder to get you lynched. I just think you might be mafia, and I have this idea that other people (not GB) might have that feeling too but are keeping quiet about it because they're scared or smth. I voted HTS because I couldn't remember a single thing she posted except for asking for MORE reading material. I might have voted tubesock for saying there are 5 mafia. I was the first person this game to point out Trfel is not himself. I still think Trfel is not himself. Vivax has said he doesn't think Trfel is himself, and Vivax coached him last game. So I was wondering if Vivax wanted to vote Trfel with me. He apparently doesn't because he has other "gut reads" to worry about or something. Well this post actually makes me happy for a change. Kinda was thinking about the trfel thing too because of how he's been defending ff. WELL it makes me supremely unhappy because all of my scum reads are completely out of the spotlight, and they're not even that strong. Like, ritoky claiming present is suboptimal, but I can't vote him after how he defended himself. GB I don't even think is being that bad. FF... maybe he's mafia? How does anyone know he's not just apathetic? I am... why wouldn't he be? I do have the same feeling of just not giving a shit about half the time this game but I still remember at least what I've been thinking. Lonemeow's point about ff forgetting his scum read on bunnies entirely is great and shows he's just not thinking about anything and vivax's point about him pushing slam on things that are unreadable over bunnies etc makes it even more likely he is mafia. I remember everything Lonemeow said. You'd vote FF over Trfel though? Well I saw your meta thing on trfel and he is incredibly different but there's been so much stuff on ff and he got buried so deep behind all the other crap happening that people didn't care about mentioning him at all which hints that it's increasingly likely he's mafia. Also the fact that loads of dead people scum read him for awesome reasons and were very likely wanting to lynch him next.
I don't think mafia killed people because of who their reads were and if they did I don't think it's a good thing to gamble on. The stuff lonemeow said is the only convincing case I can remember for FF being scum, and that was really early on.
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On December 13 2014 15:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 15:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 15:08 Vivax wrote:On December 13 2014 15:06 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2014 08:40 Vivax wrote:
I've looked at the dead guys filters and I think I'll just sheep onto their scumreads, namely
ritoky, FF, Oats for kita
Obi, froggy and FF for lone
I think ritoky for Koshi
Kush got killed by Marley and played horribly.
Gonna evaluate them individually.
If we have a vig he's stupid for not killing Alakaslam. Oooooooooo Vivax can you explain why you left damdred out of this list of dead peoples reads you were checking or is it because he opened an exploding present and wasn't a nk  ? Cause he claimed joyful child or w/e it's called and I figured mafia mostly killed him for being a named VT and not for his reads. Tho in my latest post I also considered his reads, given that other JC claims didn't die. Cool tings. Not sure I entirely agree with the froggy read though I thought he looked at least a little towny. Is that just a read you're sheeping or your own? Undecided about obi too There's just a lot of people not interested in solving the game at all on day 2 of the game which is a bit frustrating because I have a list of like 2 or 3 fairly good mafia reads and then quite a few might be mafia/might not bes Well what you see there are mostly conclusions that I draw from the NK analysis, I don't really care about froggy for now and would like to see FF or GB lynched today as they both are in the focus of most of the killed guys and I also found arguments for both of them. I'm quite pleased that Alakaslam read the points on FF and found them convincing (and actually plays the game with some seriousness), so I'll try to boost the momentum to do what the dead guys couldn't. ##Vote FecalFeast
Will you reiterate what you drew from NK analysis that made you vote FF? I want to sheep you but I can't until I'm sure this makes sense.
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The FF case is literally just what Lonemeow said and FF possibly being apathetic. I can summarize that in one lame sentence. I am extremely disappointed with how HF and Vivax are voting right now.
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On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now.
You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you?
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On December 13 2014 15:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 15:39 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now. You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you? How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread. To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads.
WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT
Literally, shit.
Post it.
That's what everyone else is doing right now.
It's SHIT.
Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT?
It can't be worse.
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On December 13 2014 15:52 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 15:46 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 15:43 Trfel wrote:On December 13 2014 15:39 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now. You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you? How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread. To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads. WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT Literally, shit. Post it. That's what everyone else is doing right now. It's SHIT. Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT? It can't be worse. Like how is this not town slam? To answer your question. Bats has become one of my strongest reads tonight hes very interactive and made some good points. Also after last game my standards for him being town are lower :D. As for slight reading you, idk your my worst santa should check his list twice.
You lowered your standards for me after a game where none of my reads were wrong?
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On December 13 2014 16:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 15:54 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 15:52 sicklucker wrote:On December 13 2014 15:46 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 15:43 Trfel wrote:On December 13 2014 15:39 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now. You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you? How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread. To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads. WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT Literally, shit. Post it. That's what everyone else is doing right now. It's SHIT. Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT? It can't be worse. Like how is this not town slam? To answer your question. Bats has become one of my strongest reads tonight hes very interactive and made some good points. Also after last game my standards for him being town are lower :D. As for slight reading you, idk your my worst santa should check his list twice. You lowered your standards for me after a game where none of my reads were wrong? Lies and slander! You tried to lynch me. Twice! >> You and Damdred. Hurts my heart. That said he did play well...apart from the whole, helpful not coming across scummy part, lol.
Not that this is relevant, but I only tried to lynch you, and HTS, because my read on kush was right. That was literally the only reason.
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On December 13 2014 16:07 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 16:02 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 16:01 rsoultin wrote:On December 13 2014 15:54 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 15:52 sicklucker wrote:On December 13 2014 15:46 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 15:43 Trfel wrote:On December 13 2014 15:39 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now. You have a -lot- more reasons for Trfel being mafia but you don't care about that at all, do you? How many reasons are there for me being mafia? I count a grand total of one: lack of participation in the thread. To be fair, that is a pretty big reason. I'm doing my best to change that. I reiterate, the size of this game is giving me a ton of trouble, and I haven't been able to come up with anything amazing yet. I am really sorry that I haven't been able to play at the level that I hoped to play at, no excuses. I will keep trying my best, as that is all I can do. Hoping to come up with something soon, as I'm actually quite embarrassed by the amount of time I have spent on this game to not come up with any original scumreads. WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT Literally, shit. Post it. That's what everyone else is doing right now. It's SHIT. Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT? It can't be worse. Like how is this not town slam? To answer your question. Bats has become one of my strongest reads tonight hes very interactive and made some good points. Also after last game my standards for him being town are lower :D. As for slight reading you, idk your my worst santa should check his list twice. You lowered your standards for me after a game where none of my reads were wrong? Lies and slander! You tried to lynch me. Twice! >> You and Damdred. Hurts my heart. That said he did play well...apart from the whole, helpful not coming across scummy part, lol. Not that this is relevant, but I only tried to lynch you, and HTS, because my read on kush was right. That was literally the only reason. For the first one, yes. And yeah, you read kush, I read HTS, and battle of the stubborns. Only you had Damdred on your side. The traitor ;o; Anyhow, the actual point that I derailed myself from was I've learned to be less quick to jump down you're throat, especially if you're making reads. Even if you do sound grumpy or irritated when you're making them. That's probably part of what SL is referring to, too. So, good thing, yeah? For you anyway xP
You couldn't lynch me if you tried. I kick, scream, and bite.
Beware rabies.
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I voted Holyflare since no one wants to lynch Trfel with me.
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