Dude, give me something non-reactionary. Why, of all the people here, were your only scum reads HTS and 27nb? If they were your strongest scum reads, why? OWS is obviously scummy, of course, no matter how many times he's townread me, but your play only makes sense if you have no one else you think could be scum. I find that hard to believe.
The 27nb push is weak. Back up your push, prove to me it's strong with or without her list clarification (where you are claiming that she had a section specifically labeled "null" when she didn't), and I will change my vote on you. Or at least show why you think she's a better lynch than players like OWS and FF, liancourt, or me even. xP
That's my issue with you. All the other stuff Vivax said wasn't strong by itself, as I've already mentioned.
I've already explained my reasons for suspecting HTS (and 27ninjabunnies as well, though I didn't want to focus on repeating what others had already said too much). I also explained that I was tired last night and that affected my ability to find scum.
27ninjabunnies hasn't really done anything to make me *not* want to lynch her. Then there's her arbitrary list posting, weird defense for something that shouldn't deserve defending (froggy), easy town passes for several people as well as scum/null reading froggy just after defending him. Overall nothing towny and several suspicious points.
After OWS's sheep vote and looking at him closer, however, I'm heavily considering that he could be the better lynch. FF doesn't look good either I agree.
What was the case on liancourt again? On phone atm
Short opinion of liancourt's filter: extremely annoying to read. Lots of fluff. I like his more "serious" posts though and his reads seem fine too. Why is he so scummy?
Well that'd make liancourt null rather than scum wouldn't it?
HTS: KSC was part of the case. More precisely his early Scrooge thing and my reaction to it. I think Vivax is misguided or misrepresenting stuff related to this issue. I don't get how he comes to the conclusion that KSC is lying about his early plays. I don't think he even called KSC scum?
And how come the stuff on my voting is credible either? I don't see it.
Short comment on phone. Vivax, where did I townread bunnies? Where? I only thought that she *might* be a bad lynch when there was no resistance and HTS looked worse. Then HTS looked better and bunnies looked worse in comparison. What's not to understand
That's not a townread. It's just associative/circumstantial stuff from the votes telling she could be town despite her own play. So I thought she might not be a good lynch today. But half of that argument disappeared when I started thinking that HTS wasn't that scummy anymore. And at the same time she became more scummy because A) half the reason I was hesitant to lynch her had disappeared B) when I no longer wanted to lynch HTS, bunnies appeared more lynchable by virtue of HTS not being preferable
Okay, I'm now home. I'm also approaching my post limit so I hope I won't need to waste more posts on Vivax. Here's a comprehensive rebuttal of his arguments:
1) KSC's Scrooge posts: Occam's razor. Is it more likely that A) town creates a plan to lure scum or B) scum creates a fake plan to jeopardize his own safety for no real reason or C) scum starts blatantly bluefishing and then claims it was to get reactions, jeopardizing his own safety for a very small chance of having a blue claim? I think A is easily most likely. Complicated plays usually come from town in my experience while scum are more "clean". Even if we assume for a moment that KSC is scum and lying about his actions, you should be trying to lynch him first and foremost. So why are you trying to lynch me instead when your argument assumes that KSC is scum? 2) The other thing where I apparently go from town nb to scum nb (lol): Did I ever say anything in nb's defense as a player? The only thing I said might make her town is that her wagon gained steam very easily and that HTS sheeped on her so easily. They weren't strong reasons, but something to keep in mind for me. Then the second reason started to fade away and the first reason didn't seem all that relevant anymore either (at that point the scumteam would probably be bussing her anyway, especially if their presence was weak). What was left was just her (scummy) filter.
27nb certainly seems like a decent lynch now. The same goes for OWS. LoneMeow and KSC also have good points on FF.
I'm not so sure about Kush and ritoky. They're certainly not very helpful / memorable, but they seem more like Cop/Vig targets than people having a high chance to flip scum. Basically somewhere around coinflip status.
Koshi: why not OWS today?
rsoultin: OWS feels like a good lynch but I don't think the difference is significant compared to 27nb. If you think OWS is scum, it's a bit weird that you're following his lead without even bringing anything original to the table.
HF: I'm not sure I get your point on Oats. Why is that TMI? I think "bandwagoning" can refer to both wagons on town or scum.
I'll be looking through 27nb/OWS/FF again after I'll be back soon. I think one of them should most likely be today's lynch.
On December 11 2014 04:00 Koshi wrote: Xatalos. Read my posts. I gave you 3 names I wanted to lynch.
If you can proof to me that OWS has a meta in which he is never less useful as town D1 I will revisit him for today. But you cant'. So stop being dumb. Thx.
I'm not really familiar with his meta. I've just looked at his play in this game. If you know him better, you think his D1 play is like this in general? What separates his town and scum play in your opinion?
Kush is detrimental and not the worst lynch. I'll have to look at ritoky again.
What made you think nb might be town in your more recent post?
That post doesn't exactly help, nb. Besides that would be the easiest role claim as scum since nobody can really counter-claim and you might survive another day to see if you're killed at night. Then D2 would be wasted on you.
On December 11 2014 05:29 Vivax wrote: I'm actually content to lynch bunnies since she has not been doing much all this time. I was quite willing to listen since the post where she said that her iffy reads are her null reads but I didn't see her stepping it up so far, and she's quite capable of scumhunting when she's town.
Overall I'm willing to see where Xata and the other guys I've been calling out will be headed in the next days. Plus this game is just tiring on D1. There's no way anyone who isn't spending all his time on this game can have a good overview of everything going on, I just want this mountain of information to shrink atm, people shitposting didn't help the game.
And I don't think that this looks necessarily like a town lynch cause mafia players can simply be passive about it...Or tried to get another lynch but went down in the noise and have been forgotten about.
Yeah I had that thought (too little resistance) earlier but the scumteam would be insane to do anything peculiar at this point if she's scum. I'd sure bus her now if we were on the team.
I looked at Fecalfeast's filter and I really dislike his lack of interest in finding scum. His votes have been all over the place without any real reason (besides OMGUS/sheeping). He made a case (?) on Templar, yet never voted him. He's a potential scum for sure.
By the way FF, you just said you could sheep on 27ninjabunnies but I can't see your stance otherwise in your filter. Do you even scumread her?
I'd like to see what Trfel says when he's caught up before making a judgment. Though I'd kind of want him to check the recent events/wagons before deadline rather than reading the pages in order. Can you do that Trfel?
EPT
