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kitaman27
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If anyone is interested in my preferred vig shot right now, I'd still go with FF.
Wouldn't be upset to see kush go either I suppose, though I can't really speak much to his alignment.
Just finished re-reading the thread. I gotta go work for a couple hours and then I'll post after reading individual filters.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Here are my reads after night one. I usually take until day three or four to get a good grasp of what is going on in larger games so I'm sure a bunch of these will change with more information.
Leaning Mafia:
Fecalfeast
- LoneMeow's case regarding how he votes for bunnies, unvotes her when when he interprets her post as a roleclaim, and then ignores her for a significant period of time once she states that it wasn't a claim.
- Only provides of a list of reads when prompted. The validity of his reads comes into question when he gives a town read to tube for researching past games, yet doesn't take this into account with his scum read on LS.
- He makes a post by post response on Templar, without coming to a conclusion. He doesn't show any interest in getting templar lynched until he is prompted.
- He claims that his vote on ritoky was an attempt to get an angry reaction, but there was no followup to his plan.
- Shows very little interest in scum hunting. Admits to not reading the thread and suggests a vig shot on himself.
Oatsmaster
- The too scummy to be scum defense of bunnies that put him on the right side of the lynch for most of the day was pretty sketchy. He adds in a comment at the end that he isn't too bothered by the bunnies lynch, which almost makes me think that he didn't want to be seen as someone with too much knowledge.
- When he has to move off Vivax based on the effort he was putting in, he swaps to frog without an explanation. The single question about frog's null reads comes off as an attempt to make it sound like he is interested in his scum suspect, rather than something he was going to follow up with.
ritoky
- I feel like ritoky is picking on things that could be constructed as being scummy, but don't necessarily make a player mafia.
- His first attack on LS is a relatively long post about him having two town reads that happen to be voting for each other. That kind of stuff happens, I don't see why it makes him scummy. He calls out the sicklucker as being a lie, but I think that comes down to semantics more than something he is maliciously doing. Attacking LS for the meta reads is okay, but doesn't seem as convincing to me as is did to him. He then drops his scum read on LS after he gives a town read on ritoky. I don't see why that should change his mind, it seems more like an excuse to move over to fecal.
- His initial case on fecal seems to come down to fecal agreeing with ritoky on a subject matter and then giving a Null read on ritoky. This doesn't matter all that much in my view. He exaggerates the defense in passing made by fecal as giving a free pass for the day.
- With bunnies really dominating discussion on day one, he mostly ignores her. I know he claims to struggle reading her, but there were enough things he could still comment about.
- I know that listing both Fecal and ritoky as scum reads is a bit strange considering their interactions with each other. I haven't decided if one being scum makes the other town or if there is potentially some scum to scum interactions going on here.
NULL:
Koshi
- Kinda putting him off for now. My biggest concern would be how focused he was on a single player.
- From a pure setup speculation angle, I would guess that the present distribution is two town and one mafia. His post about trying to confirm townies rubbed me the wrong way as something potentially mafia would say to try to look good knowing that there may not be a third townie to claim. I'll admit this one isn't very logically sound.
ObiWanShinobi
- Spooked by the sheer amount of buddying that he is doing. I think we're up to four times.
- I'm not really sure what made him reconsider his push for the Xat lynch. He opposes the bunnies lynch without giving a strong reason, but says he is struggling to find an alternative. I would have thought Xat would be his alternative.
The_Templar
GlowingBear
- Seems to be struggling with time so I'll likely base my read off of day two.
- lol not really sure what to think about a guy who says that he is displaying "a lot of mafia traits"
- My biggest worry would be how little he did to impact the day one lynch. He claims to oppose the bunnies lynch, but doesn't make a strong case why we should move off her or a strong case why we should move to an alternative.
To be continued:
I've run out of time and need to get this post in before the deadline. I don't want to put them down as null since I may develop a town/mafia read after looking closer at their filters. If I survive the night, I'll finish up with these during day two.
Tubesock
KelsierSC
Xatalos
liancourt
batsnacks
Half the Sky
froggynoddy
Alakaslam
Leaning Town:
Not really going to spend time justifying any of these. Some of these reads are stronger than others.
Damdred
LoneMeow
LightningStrike
sicklucker
Holyflare
Vivax
rsoultin
Trfel (lol I should probably be putting him under NULL)
Why did you sign up for this game category:
kushm4sta
- Congrats you can get away with doing absolutely nothing on day one. Why are you wasting our time by taking up a slot in this game? Do you get a thrill out of being mildly annoying to everyone else? I think you'd make a perfect house fly.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Nice job town!
Thanks for hosting.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 10 2012 04:28 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not quite sure where this should be discussed, but one problem I've noticed over the course of the last few games is that different hosts have different policies when dealing with deadline actions. For example, if the deadline were 9:00, some allow players to submit actions and count votes at exactly 9:00, while others only allow them at 8:59, but no later. In the most recent game, people were announcing their vig shots, thinking the deadline had been reached, when in reality, the scum team could respond and change their roleblock if they were quick enough. I think if we had a consistent deadline policy for all hosts, we won't have to worry about running into any problems in the future. Show nested quote +
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a (24 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is time, but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.
Good? I doubt there will be much debate on this; it's a matter of consistency more than anything else.
Not that it was a huge deal this game, but this is the second game in a row that this has been brought up.
I know Palmar clarified things in the vote count, but that kinda conflicts with how the deadlines work in the model OP, so in the future I think we should try to stick to accepting votes up to and including the time listed in the OP to avoid confusion.
The ghosts interaction with the Scrooge role was cool. It's too bad that it never got to be used. I liked the present idea too though I suppose there were issues with confirming players based on their use of the role. For instance, a mafia player who didn't want to risk getting blown up was punished for receiving a present. Might work better in a closed setup though with less confirmed information. Overall, there seemed to be way too many claims early on in the game regarding players roles and who received presents, especially in setups with role specific vig's and roleblockers. Even if you are safe from these vig's, you're narrowing down the pool for others to get targeted with a claim.
I get what you were trying to do with the single mason, but I'm not sure that trying to teach town a lesson about not to solve the game with roles was worth the risk of a possible mafia fake claiming the mason partner, not geting counter-claimed, and have a 300 page thread go to waste over a misunderstanding of the setup.
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