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On December 21 2014 08:56 sicklucker wrote:
The rb is more likely its not like they didnt know you had it?. I dont think are medic saves xata ever. Unless are medics one of the people im targeting or you got a save on one of them.
Also im probably the save
The night kills were super weird because mafia actually targeted confirmed towns. They did this because they didnt think there was a medic last night. Or me and xata were making so much sense. The medic is literally one of 2 or 3 people if slams vt claim is fake. So if your save is useful (someone im targeting) you should totally claim.
The medic is one of lian or rstuin, with the only other claim id believe being slam. Im saying this because a fake medic claim is imminent and mafia knows its one of these 3 anyway.
Dude...no. Just plain no. You can't just dismiss the possibilities...and you are probably not going to be night killed while all these theories keep on flying out with so little logical basis. I know I'd let you run amuck forever if I were scum, even if you were trying to cast suspicion on me, just because people wouldn't listen to you.
And stop speculating on who the medic is. It is up to the medic to decide to out themselves, if they were even involved. I don't even know where you're coming up with these names from.
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EBWOP:
Or jailkeeper, as I guess the proper term is lol.
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Meh lol >< also true. So yeah, basically we have no idea what we're dealing with. Lovely. It turns into whether or not you believe FF, but even then, him being blocked doesn't prove that Xata is scum.
Unless no one comes forward to help explain the night actions, there's no point even considering it. Back to just evaluating people's play.
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On December 15 2014 07:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Is there any chance we ever move past the Hf being scum line of thinking?
Last post by OWS. He probably tried to shoot HF, especially given the rest of us were saying no, not until he flips.
Anyone else think that's highly likely?
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Shenaniganing all over the place because you were "drunk" and wanted to "make people mad" doesn't exactly inspire confidence, FF. So I'm not going to dismiss the possibility that you're the godfather just yet.
Claiming the KS and a shot at Xatalos are the easiest lies for scum, given scum has KSs anyway and Xata was the one in everyone's crosshairs after yesterday.
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On December 21 2014 09:15 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2014 09:08 rsoultin wrote:On December 15 2014 07:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Is there any chance we ever move past the Hf being scum line of thinking? Last post by OWS. He probably tried to shoot HF, especially given the rest of us were saying no, not until he flips. Anyone else think that's highly likely? LoneMeow the Carol Singer is dead dead to mafia kp
kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead dead to marley
Damdred the Joyful Child is dead dead to present
Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead dead to mafia kp
Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead dead to mafia kp mafia kp includes mass murderer which checks out but basically confirms damdred was killed by a present.
Nope. Nope. And nope.
It was clarified that the Branch Manager can in fact shoot at unclaimed Disgruntled Retail Workers.
There is still a possibility of Marley, made a much stronger possibility now that we've confirmed for certain there was a Ghost.
They also definitely had the MM.
So nope. There is nothing that guarantees Damdred was killed by a present. ><
Also, what does that have to do with whether or not OWS took a shot at HF night 2?
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I don't like this auto talk, for srs.
There is nothing auto about a game that still has 12 players, and at least 2 scum. Vivax was throwing a fit and basing his reads off said fit. It would be foolish to just kill the three on the Tubesock wagon, disregarding all other information, simply because LS claimed and ppl think I'm an idiot town.
Probably one scum was on there, but I highly doubt the entire team was. That sort of reasoning is just ridiculous. Unless you think all the other possible wagons were scum, that is ridiculous.
You have to base your lynch decisions off more than that. Or don't. Then I can call all of you guys donkeys, too, when it most likely goes south because you're not even considering other possibilities.
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I still like Oats for it. He's done nothing the entire game.
I'd lynch Templar right now, too. He was strangely particular about who he'd vote for to save himself. Not alignment indicative, but his play has been underwhelming throughout the game.
HF is a consideration, also. It would really inform what are now two wagons on him.
I'm sidelining GB for awhile to watch how he decides to continue to play, but he's not townlisted for me yet, that's for sure.
I'm also suspicious of FF, given how haphazard he was playing yesterday.
Xata I'm not sure of. You guys keep bringing up that his reasons for voting people are crap, but I didn't find them particularly bad, myself.
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On December 21 2014 09:38 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2014 09:29 rsoultin wrote:
I still like Oats for it. He's done nothing the entire game.
I'd lynch Templar right now, too. He was strangely particular about who he'd vote for to save himself. Not alignment indicative, but his play has been underwhelming throughout the game.
HF is a consideration, also. It would really inform what are now two wagons on him.
I'm sidelining GB for awhile to watch how he decides to continue to play, but he's not townlisted for me yet, that's for sure.
I'm also suspicious of FF, given how haphazard he was playing yesterday.
Xata I'm not sure of. You guys keep bringing up that his reasons for voting people are crap, but I didn't find them particularly bad, myself. Okay so tell me if my interpretation is wrong Oats is scum because he has been inactive Templar is scum because his play has been underwhelming HF isn't scum for any reason but killing him would explain why other people read him scum GB is null(leanscum?) but you don't want to lynch because he may try harder I am haphazard by nature, no comment Xata thrown in for no reason since you null read him Do you have any full-on scum reads or is everyone a question mark to you?
Lol Oats is more than just inactive. Look at how he chooses to participate. He randomly pipes in with no, that's WIFOM, generally to GB or SL. He gives scum lists when prompted, but never the reasons for them. And I know I at least have asked. I don't even know what that was with his interaction between him, GB and Vivax last night. I've seen Oats play. There's a difference between being a minimalist and giving no substance at all.
Templar I feel is a policy lynch, but I also have my suspicions as to why he would change onto Tube but not GB, and while you could say that Tube was a scumread for him...given how little he pushed Tube and how he seemed to have no other scumreads, he's sufficiently suspicious for me to consider lynching him.
HF...I could see as scum. He has survived 3 wagons now, though I know I've played a large role in that. I can see him as scum because he's spent most of the thread defending himself, and the vets keep saying he's an amazing town player...but I'm not seeing anything particularly amazing coming from him. He chose to make a case against Templar, and not only is Templar almost a policy lynch, but the analysis behind HF's case had a lot of holes. Maybe y'all's definition of an amazing town player is different than mine, but he's been less than impressive this game. I also have a low tolerance for excuse after excuse. Add onto that the possibility to better understand the voting from the last 3 days...and he's not a bad choice for lynch. I'd call him null leaning scum for me.
I still think GB is scum. Three reasons I won't push him: 1)He's probably not going to get the votes today anyway. 2)I've seen some redeeming posts from him and am trying to keep an open mind. 3)What happens today might help clarify his previous behavior.
It is convenient that you are haphazard by nature.
I threw in Xata because I fully expect people to ask me about him, since there is a lot of thread sentiment to lynch him right now.
Sorry that I wasn't as specific as you wanted.
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On December 21 2014 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Aaaaaaand I'm drunk.
Alright, listen.
We've discuss a lot about HF and we couldn't get him lynched easily. We almost said everything that has to be said about him. I don't think we should waste more breath about him TODAY. We have to catch the other scum.
By the way, is there someone firmly believing that HF is town? This is important so please answer me.
Now, I believe we should follow Vivax reads because (1) I agreed with him and (2) we now know he is confirmed town.
Considering this, I believe we should lynch Xatalos
Why Xatalos instead of oats? Because he wasn't firmly mafia read by Vivax, because he was town read by obi, and because HF, one possible scum, also list him as mafia. I'm aware HF also lists Xatalos, but there are these two that didn't cite/townreads oats. I don't want to risk the game on him yet.
I don't believe nigella would protect FF because he could be godfather and I don't believe nigella would block Xatalos because he wasn't actually the top scumread. But I really think nigella would try to roleblock a possible mafia because top town was Vivax at that moment.
I also want you to remember that ff is only SOFT CONFIRMED, because Santa didn't explicitly said he had a green check.
Nigella, don't out anymore. You'll be important night5, specially if we lynch scum and if you roleblock one mafia.
Like, consider this: if there is only 3 scum left and we lynch one now, you'll try to roleblock a possible mafia and if only one kp goes through the night, you have a confirmed mafia.
So, lynch Xatalos.
What about Templar? You mentioned Oats and Xata but not Templar.
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Links if you're trying to sell this on meta. Especially to someone who hasn't definitively townread you.
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On December 21 2014 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I can easily build a meta case on him, would you wait? Because I'm kinda going to sleep
Yup. There's plenty of time. Sleep well xP
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I don't follow. She hasn't been super active, but the other time I've played with her, she wasn't, either. You may have forgotten that she was in danger of being lynched for inactivity the last game we all played together, to.
When she does come in she seems to be genuinely trying to figure out the game.
Why HTS, SL?
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On December 21 2014 11:39 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2014 11:35 rsoultin wrote:
I don't follow. She hasn't been super active, but the other time I've played with her, she wasn't, either. You may have forgotten that she was in danger of being lynched for inactivity the last game we all played together, to.
When she does come in she seems to be genuinely trying to figure out the game.
Why HTS, SL? Dude like you were in both games. If you dont notice the difference already im wasting posts.
Dude, even if I was, you'll need to explain it to others. That I don't notice the difference already means it's probably not as obvious as you think it is. Just please explain yourself. That was the purpose of my post to begin with: to encourage you to explain your read.
There's no need to always be this defensive.
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On December 21 2014 11:56 sicklucker wrote:Like shes already voted without saying anything. How is this not mafia based on her last game play? Even me and hf put aside are differences and both agree shes mafia. Like think about that for a second
Okay, SL. I read some of your earlier stuff on HTS. You brought up her filter, saying it's shorter this game than it was in our other game.
Student Mafia, after 6 full days, she had 12 pages. Carolers, we're just starting the 5th day. She has 12. That is invalid.
You say she hasn't talked about Templar. She has. She's been scumreading him for days. She didn't talk about him today before she voted, but it is definitely not an unexplained change in her reads, and he was also on her 3-person lynch list that she stated today. That point is also invalid.
Do you have others?
Also...you keep assuming that people are going to automatically do what you tell them to. Just because you told Nigella to protect OWS, and she didn't, does not mean there is no Nigella. I don't understand how you fail to see this.
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On December 21 2014 12:05 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2014 09:29 rsoultin wrote:
I still like Oats for it. He's done nothing the entire game.
I'd lynch Templar right now, too. He was strangely particular about who he'd vote for to save himself. Not alignment indicative, but his play has been underwhelming throughout the game.
You mean people that I read scum?
Please give us your reads. I don't remember you having any but Tube, which is one of the reasons I said that wasn't alignment indicative.
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On December 21 2014 12:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2014 11:56 sicklucker wrote:On December 21 2014 09:34 Half the Sky wrote:
##Vote The_Templar Like shes already voted without saying anything. How is this not mafia based on her last game play? Even me and hf put aside are differences and both agree shes mafia. Like think about that for a second Okay, SL. I read some of your earlier stuff on HTS. You brought up her filter, saying it's shorter this game than it was in our other game. Student Mafia, after 6 full days, she had 12 pages. Carolers, we're just starting the 5th day. She has 12. That is invalid. You say she hasn't talked about Templar. She has. She's been scumreading him for days. She didn't talk about him today before she voted, but it is definitely not an unexplained change in her reads, and he was also on her 3-person lynch list that she stated today. That point is also invalid. Do you have others? Also...you keep assuming that people are going to automatically do what you tell them to. Just because you told Nigella to protect OWS, and she didn't, does not mean there is no Nigella. I don't understand how you fail to see this.
EBWOP:
The bolded should read 9.
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@Slam
I'm playing a hunch, here. Could you please give me your reads on Xata, Oats and GB? Much appreciated ^^
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On December 21 2014 14:08 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2014 12:15 rsoultin wrote:On December 21 2014 11:56 sicklucker wrote:On December 21 2014 09:34 Half the Sky wrote:
##Vote The_Templar Like shes already voted without saying anything. How is this not mafia based on her last game play? Even me and hf put aside are differences and both agree shes mafia. Like think about that for a second Okay, SL. I read some of your earlier stuff on HTS. You brought up her filter, saying it's shorter this game than it was in our other game. Student Mafia, after 6 full days, she had 12 pages. Carolers, we're just starting the 5th day. She has 12. That is invalid. You say she hasn't talked about Templar. She has. She's been scumreading him for days. She didn't talk about him today before she voted, but it is definitely not an unexplained change in her reads, and he was also on her 3-person lynch list that she stated today. That point is also invalid. Do you have others? Also...you keep assuming that people are going to automatically do what you tell them to. Just because you told Nigella to protect OWS, and she didn't, does not mean there is no Nigella. I don't understand how you fail to see this. What about how she town read tube then voted for him out of nowhere?
Eh, that was my fault. I'm taking full responsibility for the shenanigans yesterday, particularly in regard to hts, xata and ls, who were willing to switch with me wherever, as opposed to FF and Templar who were more selective. Not saying the first three shouldn't be looked at, but judging them solely on the shenanigans...that was my fault.
Make that four days and you'd be more accurate. The point is she's playing, and there's not a significant enough difference in her filter length for that alone to be a good enough reason to lynch her. She and I are both pretty damn new, and I know that the sheer number of people here is a little intimidating (not to mention confusing) to me.
Does your meta case include anything that isn't just filter length?
I don't see where she townread Tube. Last two posts that mentioned him were her giving him the benefit of the doubt and the comment that she wasn't sure if his disappearance was significant or he was just new. That reads null to me.
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On December 21 2014 14:19 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin why cant you just agree with me for once your always pushing your own agenda. You dont even have to vote her you just gotta say "ya ill vote her in the next 3 votes" and ill be happy. The order doesint really matter.
Your not seeing the obvious scum that followed your horrible lynch yesterday is what worry me. You said you would take a step back can you please follow up on that. Mafias taking you to final 3 at this point.
I'm not pushing my own agenda, SL -_-
If you're asking me to scumread one of my townreads, of course I'm going to ask you why. I want to know what I'm missing. I know that it seems like I just argue with you, but I can't get on board for most of the things you talk about. Set-up speculation, presents, night kills...those things aren't evidence for me. Number of posts isn't evidence for me. Facts that aren't facts aren't evidence for me.
I don't know how to explain this properly. I'm considering Xata as possible scum right now, but still on the fence. I do think Templar is scum. I am not so stubborn that I'm going to refuse to vote HTS no matter what happens. All I can tell you is that right now, she is not someone I would vote for. I do not see the "obvious" that you do. So if you could help me see it without getting upset, that would be helpful.
I will never, as town, say that I will absolutely refuse to vote any particular player for the rest of the game, unless there's a very good reason for me to say so (i.e. they're acting super town and also have a green check from a confirmed seer).
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