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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 07:23 GMT
#619
On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back and here my current reads
Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF
Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky
Scum: sicklucker
sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early
I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on
HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that.
As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.


I am really interested in that read in particular. Please explain it. Also, don't really like how you devote 0 space to your town reads and all of your space to null and scum reads.

What's even stranger is that one of your town reads voted on another of your town reads right here:

On December 09 2014 12:37 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 12:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On December 09 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote:
You should hop on bunnies after reading my filter and be led to great victory


Oh my.


##vote ObiWanShinobi

Oh crap. As in that post was complete crap.


and your response to it?

On December 09 2014 12:44 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way guys the votes go in the voting thread silly people
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472995-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells-voting-thread


you were here and actively responding to the thread and you tell him where to vote properly? why didn't you ask further into why he is reading him that way? especially when you have the OPPOSITE read for unexplained reasons. this just looks kinda fishy....i smell something funky brewing here boyz. your sicklucker read is on a guy who claimed his role and you didn't really state why you disbelieve his claim, then you waste time talking about null reads, then you give a bunch of unexplained town reads; many of which i am completely unclear on.

i really am not liking this guy.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 08:00 GMT
#621
On December 09 2014 16:31 kushm4sta wrote:
wassup bros


nice ninja vote broski
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 09:04 GMT
#635
@ff: what's your read on me?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 09:46 GMT
#640
On December 09 2014 18:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 18:04 ritoky wrote:
@ff: what's your read on me?

null, why?


why null, when you word for word sheeping my read?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 10:25 GMT
#645
On December 09 2014 17:58 kushm4sta wrote:
k ill trust whoever said scrooge should claim because that's the easier option for me.

im scrooge.


good for you, you got a ninja vote dat need splainin.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 10:54 GMT
#650
On December 09 2014 19:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Haha i hadn't read your post ritoky go me. Why do you care so much what i read you?


first, i don't believe this in the slightest.

second, you sheeped my read almost exactly; which would indicate to me that you have a town read on me to some degree, but you never mentioned me. so i asked, and you apparently don't even though you're basically word for word in agreement with me.

you can go sell that dumb tell, i didn't read the thread crap somewhere else; i don't buy wolf tickets.

FF and LS top 2 scum so far.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 13:09 GMT
#703
On December 09 2014 22:06 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Give a reason HTS why kush claimed.
Come on, try.


The only two possible reasons are that:

1) He is Scrooge and somehow he failed to see Kelsier's second post about claiming Scrooge, an oversight on his part.
2) He's not Scrooge and trying to distract scum but I don't see how scum would fall for something like this.

Neither of which seems to me would get him anywhere. But that's just my opinion unless I'm overlooking something.


so are you saying you KNOW he is town? why can't he be scum?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 13:13 GMT
#705
On December 09 2014 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 16:23 ritoky wrote:
On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back and here my current reads
Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF
Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky
Scum: sicklucker
sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early
I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on
HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that.
As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people.


I am really interested in that read in particular. Please explain it. Also, don't really like how you devote 0 space to your town reads and all of your space to null and scum reads.

What's even stranger is that one of your town reads voted on another of your town reads right here:

On December 09 2014 12:37 rsoultin wrote:
On December 09 2014 12:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On December 09 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote:
You should hop on bunnies after reading my filter and be led to great victory


Oh my.


##vote ObiWanShinobi

Oh crap. As in that post was complete crap.


and your response to it?

On December 09 2014 12:44 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way guys the votes go in the voting thread silly people
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472995-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells-voting-thread


you were here and actively responding to the thread and you tell him where to vote properly? why didn't you ask further into why he is reading him that way? especially when you have the OPPOSITE read for unexplained reasons. this just looks kinda fishy....i smell something funky brewing here boyz. your sicklucker read is on a guy who claimed his role and you didn't really state why you disbelieve his claim, then you waste time talking about null reads, then you give a bunch of unexplained town reads; many of which i am completely unclear on.

i really am not liking this guy.

OWS behavior is very similar to the game he was town when I was playing him on Campus Mafia when he had to replace someone.
I wasn't aiming the 2nd question at anyone particular as I seen people trying to vote in this thread instead of the voting thread that was all.
sicklucker been posting a lot more fluff than any games I played with him and he normally do some funky shenanigans to force people to make early reads awkward at best.
Also I looked at your town games FF and we played on Campus as town together that why I got a town read on you.



here's my reasons for town reads: metametametametametametameta

yeah, like FF, not buying wolf tickets.

this guy and ff top 2 scum.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 13:17 GMT
#711
On December 09 2014 22:13 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:09 ritoky wrote:
so are you saying you KNOW he is town? why can't he be scum?


I don't know that he's town, but I also don't know or think that scum would roleclaim this early on in the game. I would think it's too dangerous for them to do so. Additionally, the Kush I recall from last game makes these sporadic posts for whatever reason and he was town last time, so I am using meta here.


what about his ninja vote? what about his content thus far in the thread? i could give 2 craps about your meta case, no offense.

why are there only two options in your mind? that doesn't seem like you're coming from a position of town skepticism.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 13:41 GMT
#721
On December 09 2014 22:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:14 LoneMeow wrote:
LightningStrike, a bunch of stuff has happened since you posted your list post with reads, care to share some updated reads with us now?

Well not much of my reads did change as I did read the thread from where we were last night compared to today and it been mostly the same stuff as why I given them their original reads


Oh really? well let's wait for your one scum read then

On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm
HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum.
Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me.
OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game.
Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game.
Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that.
rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town.
FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm.
Now for my null reads
27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get more posts from him.
HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game.
Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything.
Now for my scumlist
sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that.


your reads:
HF- obvious read that everyone is making
Templar - trying to noob claim
OWS - meta
Slam - meta in a game you didn't even play
Damdred - fine enough
rsoultin - meta
FF - meta
27nb - non-committal
HTS - meta
ritoky - wait and see

and then there's sicklucker....you say he hasn't done weird shenanigans, but he literally HAS DONE THOSE THINGS. like this is just a straight lie. if you actually were following the thread you should have very clearly read that he did the things that you should have town read him for. that has clearly changed since your original post, so why hasn't your read?

like your reads are crap, they are primarily meta, they have 0 content, 1 is a straight up lie, and they are stagnant even though a whole lot has happened. i just really cannot believe that this is in any way a town perspective.

##vote: LightningStrike
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 13:45 GMT
#727
On December 09 2014 22:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 22:23 Xatalos wrote:
Half the Sky: do you have other scumreads besides 27ninjabunnies?


Yes, I do.

My town reads seem very straightforward from everyone I've evaluated last night: Holyflare, Rasputin (rsoultin), Damdred, kitaman27 (who seems to be picking apart things as he should), you also appear to be doing the same atm.

Null - Froggy (one post discussing policy and that's it), Bats (retracted his previous argument as others had the same opinion), Vivax (talking about Froggy)

Null leaning scum - OWS - don't understand his posts, the SL lynch posts I believe were because SL was posting one-liner fluff but after that it was all one word posts.

Scum - 27NB and Kush for reasons I've explained.

I have to look into GlowingBear and Templar and a few others more. LS was null prior to his latest post updated with reads.



What's the point of including this guy in your null section, but not...say...me? or liancourt? or koshi? like....why is he there?

maybe i need to sleep, but that is weird as hell to me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 21:06 GMT
#929
On December 10 2014 05:29 Damdred wrote:
As for ritoky (which I assume is what HF asked me about) There are a few weird things in his filter that bug me. He makes mention of several scummy things in his filter but never really pushes any of it or tries to push the thread when hes in it. The sole exception to this is his yelling at LS for using one of the ways hes learned to read people early. And scum reading him for it, this does not make sense of ritoky and feels like he just found an easy target to rest on instead of pushing on other higher profile people.

Its a difficult read but I just don't quite see ritoky as town in his filter.


Who are the higher profile people I should be pushing and why?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 21:08 GMT
#930
On December 10 2014 05:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back guys and I saw mostly discussion about GB although I do agree he didn't give much yet but I think we should wait till Day 2 to make a move on him since it's to early to tell for him. Also Damdred and Vivax have a decent point about ritoky but I not sold on him being scum just yet but rather someone who doesn't know my meta that's all I can say atm.


If your meta is to randomly spout meta reads non-stop I will never come to understand it and it will always aggravate me.

That said, I think you're more likely donkey than mafia now.

##unvote: LightningStrike
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 21:22 GMT
#935
##vote: fecalfeast

I already made a case on him earlier. He word for word sheeped large portions of my read on LS and then tried to dumb tell and say he didn't read my post; even though his previous post was about 3 posts before mine and his read post was about 3 posts after mine. I then subsequently asked him for his read on me since he sheeped me so hard; he claimed null, which to me makes no sense. If you're gonna sheep someone's read that intensely as town, you should at least have a leaning town read on them. He is not coming from a town perspective. He then comes back to the thread and says these:

On December 10 2014 03:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
300posts to read after sleeping. Can someone give me the death present please?


On December 10 2014 04:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 04:25 Alakaslam wrote:
2 kusplain:

SHEEP HOLYFLARE


See this is something i can get behind. My power is out so i am phone but would rather not waste all my battery going back and actually reading instead of skimming.

Hope this makes people mad!


Whining and excuses, coupled with 0 development in his LS read. Mine developed and changed when over half the content since I went to sleep was about LS, why didn't his develop? Probably cuz he doesn't give 2 shits about the read and just tried to sheep me.

Also his read on kita is bullcrap and he hasn't done anything with it.

On December 09 2014 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'd lynch templar because his posts, while long, are full of more fluff than slam's.
idk who kita is but it's still early so give him a break
I'd lynch sicklucker because I wanted to plynch him last game and he was scum.


On December 09 2014 15:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kit said 27NB is the most scummy 4 hours in and voted her.

Seems ok to me


Kita voted and said 27nb was scum 4 hrs into the game so pass for the day? Like wait woah hey what the flying fuck is that? He should die.

also koshi joins alakaslam as town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 21:43 GMT
#938
On December 10 2014 06:40 Xatalos wrote:
Though your last point isn't really accurate. FF was specifically asked to give his opinion on kita's vote. It's not like he's giving kita a town pass for the day.


he was asked because his read was crap, and his response was even more crap
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 21:49 GMT
#941
On December 10 2014 06:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah I don't really care, ritoky, sorry.


yup, cuz this is town
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 21:51 GMT
#942
On December 10 2014 06:46 Koshi wrote:
Most people townread others for having the same ideas as themselves. Ritoky scumreads fecal for it.
Ritoky, it seems like you are forcing your Fecal read. Exaggerating things.

Your case reads so melodramatic.


where do i exaggerate? please inform me.

why if ff town in any way?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 21:54 GMT
#945
On December 10 2014 06:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 06:46 Koshi wrote:
Most people townread others for having the same ideas as themselves. Ritoky scumreads fecal for it.
Ritoky, it seems like you are forcing your Fecal read. Exaggerating things.

Your case reads so melodramatic.


^ Agreed.


On December 10 2014 06:51 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 06:46 Koshi wrote:
Most people townread others for having the same ideas as themselves. Ritoky scumreads fecal for it.
Ritoky, it seems like you are forcing your Fecal read. Exaggerating things.

Your case reads so melodramatic.


where do i exaggerate? please inform me.

why if ff town in any way?

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 21:57 GMT
#947
On December 10 2014 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 06:49 ritoky wrote:
On December 10 2014 06:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah I don't really care, ritoky, sorry.


yup, cuz this is town

Is it scum, though? I /obsed this thread because I knew I wouldn't be happy with certain roles but was told it would be a low content game and not to worry about lurking.


it is anti-town
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 09 2014 22:11 GMT
#952
On December 10 2014 07:03 Damdred wrote:
Anti town is not scrum however.

And to answer before question, why focus on ff or ls, for instance instead of kits, vivax could be pressured by you as your times in thread have been close but ignoring has happened a bit.

Your case is interesting xata pointed out something good and lack of strong stances isn't crummy alone kita


why focus on ff or ls? because they did the strangest things. i find people doing things that i find strange and not from a mindset i can justify in my head on day 1 and those people are my day 1 mafia reads. those two happened to be them, just like a couple games ago i led the lynch on lordtolkein day1 for agreeing with that crap read for no reason.

as for your suggestions of pressure, why would i pressure vivax? did he say something i missed? he seems fairly reasonable to me thus far.

as for kita, he leaves a little to be desired, but i am more interested in the person (and people if there are more) giving him town passes for no reason.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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