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On December 09 2014 08:46 KelsierSC wrote: So i have noticed something with this set up. If you are scrooge just claim. On December 09 2014 08:55 KelsierSC wrote: Ah ignore my scrooge comment i misread one of the roles Something like this is really dangerous to say because it might actually out the blue role in the worst case. And the fast backtrack indicates that there wasn't any real thought behind this "plan". However, it appears that it was just a reaction test: On December 09 2014 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't expect you to have read my other town games but I've gotten exponentially worse as town. GB do you have a comment on the current votes or discussion? It actually seems like KSC could believe what he's saying here. The way he goes after Fecalfeast after executing his "master plan" feels genuine enough. So I'd tentatively put KSC in the town camp. I sure hope that Mafia didn't somehow find the Scrooge because of this though. Moving on to more pressing issues, there's Half the Sky. Her posting has been somewhat suspicious from the very first post: On December 09 2014 08:52 Half the Sky wrote: Greetings everyone! 27NB, I'm also female, join the club and I drew town as well, so victory together! Good luck and have fun with your date. As for me, well, shopping for my significant other is done and dusted. Some years it's easier than others. Kelsier, can you please explain the Scrooge claim post? Agreed with HF, what are you seeing in this? It's almost a template Mafia first post. The first paragraph is purely focused on making friends and blending in ("you're town, I'm town, let's not lynch each other!"). As a minor point it's somewhat suspicious that she's immediately referring to another player as town. That would only truly make sense if Half the Sky is Mafia and 27ninjabunnies is town. The second paragraph is just fluff. The third paragraph merely asks some meekly toned questions without much apparent thought behind them (there's even another buddying attempt towards HF included). What's worse, I can't find anything related to these questions from her after her first post. Even though she responded to posts from KSC soon after. All in all: a completely useless post that appears somewhat useful, but in fact only furthers Mafia agenda (blending in, survival, gaining influence). Her following posts are mostly fluff (bad in itself when there's a post limit) or reactive answers to pressure. As she got some slight pressure on herself, she soon sheeped onto 27ninjabunnies (the easiest target) as her target: On December 09 2014 09:21 Half the Sky wrote: Damdred, once I read that, I've put her in scumpile for now. Froggy's post to me is a null, although that sentence is contradictory. I think he was trying to say that policy lynches are stupid in comparison to a scum lynch, and then he says "in the absence of a decent slip." Though poorly worded, I can still understand him and I believe he was the one who said before the game that he was returning here after 2 years ago or something, so I wouldn't blame him for saying that. I cannot comment on how things were 2 years ago as I wasn't around then. What I Vivax's post is also null to me. Again very straightforward, I don't see any reason to sort him either way. Then a very non-committal suspicion on Damdred: On December 09 2014 09:25 Half the Sky wrote: Damdred, regarding the list post...honestly that's a lot of reads for this early D1. For now though, take what I say on that with a grain of salt because I have not looked at too many of the people's posts she listed except Templar's story, etc. I mean calling Kita iffy for just saying hey? Hmmmm....what is the norm for him? That seems odd at face value, and not knowing him at all. That's basically the extent of her contributions. I'd say that her posts so far have been mostly wasted fluff posts and some of them are actually pushing Mafia agenda (blending in, trying to appear useful without actually doing anything, and lastly spreading some very weak suspicion onto Damdred). So I think Half the Sky is quite likely Mafia here and seems like our best D1 lynch. ##Vote Half the Sky Regarding 27ninjabunnies, there are two reasons that make me think she might be town: 1) She easily gathered a ton of votes and the rest of the votes have been scattered around everywhere. This makes me think that the Mafia team is supporting her lynch or at the very least content with it. If that wasn't the case, I think her wagon would have been a bit weaker or at least there would be a competing wagon. Right now it just looks like 27ninjabunnies is heading to be lynched and the Mafia team is happy / doesn't care about it. 2) If Half the Sky is Mafia, I feel it's quite unlikely that 27ninjabunnies is Mafia as well. Pre-flip association, I know, but I don't think scum Half the Sky would easily pile on a scum 27ninjabunnies wagon or that she would first start casually discussing with 27ninjabunnies and refer to her as town. So I don't really think 27ninjabunnies is a good lynch for these reasons. Another Mafia candidate I feel would be LightningStrike. This is basically her whole contribution so far and it's a pretty useless listpost: On December 09 2014 11:42 LightningStrike wrote: I just got back and here my current reads Town: HF,Templar, OWS, Slam, Damdred, rsoultin, FF Null: 27ninja, HTS, Ritoky Scum: sicklucker sicklucker doesn't seem like he normal town self for this type of game with the post limit and he just throwing a lot of fluff more than anything trying to get the limit early I need more posts from 27ninja and Ritoky to confirm which side they on HTS doesn't seem like himself idk why I feel like that. As soon more people post in the game I will make more reads to add the people. sicklucker is the main scumread and the reasoning for that is very, very weak. Not to mention there are many townreads without any reasoning whatsoever. About this #PresentGate... sicklucker seems very town from his confused claim. I don't think I've ever seen Mafia claim their role early on D1, especially in such a badly executed manner. | ||
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On December 09 2014 20:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Xata, lightning could be scum. What do you think about Half the Sky though? I think Lightning is closer to null than Half the Sky. By the way, I don't like Vivax's filter too much either. I hope he makes a great comeback if he's town. | ||
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On December 09 2014 20:57 Holyflare wrote: Its hardly "vivax has inconsistent reads" like you make it out to be though. How is there nothing there in bunnies posts???? Are we even reading the same game. At least state why my case/points are wrong before denouncing them based on nothing. Also in regards to xatalos, bunnies having a 1/4 of the votes doesn't really mean anything and there are people pushing in different directions. This means nothing about bunnies alignment at all though, mafia might not even have a voice in the thread yet so far too much wifom. Your points on hts are... Ehh.. Just not appealing? You pretty much base it all on one post which isn't even that scummy and then say the rest of her posts are fluff but they aren't really in the context, she also has no suspicion of damd and the association of bunnies/hts doesn't apply at all with the evidence. I also don't know why you even have a kelsier read in your post at all, that looks really out of place. My point was that there are other people being voted, but the votes are scattered without any kind of focus. If Mafia wanted to do something about 27ninjabunnies being lynched, they would likely try to guide the town in another direction. So far I haven't really seen that. It doesn't completely clear her, no, but it's a worthy argument. Not sure what you're talking about regarding Half the Sky. Her filter really is full of fluff and reactive posting under pressure. And she certainly did show (weak) suspicion towards Damdred, if you read her filter or my post at all. I don't know why you're even defending her when there isn't really anything to defend about it. I generally dislike bluefishing so that's why I specifically noticed KSC's posts while catching up. I guess I can't really call it as bluefishing though when he almost immediately removed the suggestion. | ||
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On December 09 2014 21:14 Holyflare wrote: There's quite a lot of europeans and a lot of americans went to bed so of course a case on mafia bunnies at usa bed time and europe waking up time wouldn't receive much counter pressure. I also still don't see how she shows suspicion of damdred at all? The post you quoted isn't her responding to Damdred? It doesn't show any suspicion of him at all it's a reply to him asking her to explain more reads iirc. Not saying she can't be mafia but she's voting a good target for good reasons and her posting isn't as horrible as you make it out to be for like 2 hours of gameplay. Actually, sorry about that last one. Apparently he was talking about 27ninjabunnies in that post. It's still a very non-committal suspicion on someone she already sheepvoted for earlier. It doesn't even feel like she has any confidence in 27ninjabunnies flipping Mafia. Granted, this point would be stronger if I made it closer to deadline. The Mafia team *could* just be in hiding for now. I still think it's more likely for town to gather a big wagon without any serious competition. | ||
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On December 09 2014 21:31 LoneMeow wrote: Funny, except I wouldn't be surprised if it actually happened, knowing Holyflare :D Does Holyflare have a history of bussing his teammates as Mafia? (perhaps like me  ) | ||
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On December 09 2014 21:33 LoneMeow wrote: Xatalos, what do you think about the others on the wagon? Especially the ones I commented. I think sicklucker is highly likely town. It'd be very weird for scum to claim a role during early D1 without any kind of reason or strategy for doing so. Especially in the manner that he did (confused / almost accidental). Templar also claimed here: On December 09 2014 12:21 The_Templar wrote: And yet you missed every single post where I claimed joyful child... I think that's also more likely a towny claim than a fakeclaim. He did apparently breadcrumb it too, though I couldn't read everything in his posts because they were so long. Half the Sky's vote is definitely sketchy like I said. Fecalfeast's vote doesn't seem too good either. | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:02 Damdred wrote: SL did notice my role droppings in the thread, I applaud that. However I do not have a present to give, I think its random who gets them i'm just a named VT  . However if i get a present i might pass it to someone or open it we will see. | ||
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On December 09 2014 21:52 Half the Sky wrote: Xatalos, first, as explained, that first post I made towards bunnies was 1) before I read the trouble she'd gotten herself into, which I already admitted and 2) being the only other female in a male-dominated field, regardless of whatever roles we were, I thought it was cool to find another girl here. If you want to discuss usefulness of posts, that's fine, but there are a few others in the thread with far more fluff to start the game, as you put it. Bunnies herself had more fluff at the very beginning of this thread (pages 16-17) and the whole Nicki Minaj thing on Ritoky followed by her vote on him is just...I mean if that's based on meta, I cannot tell that it is. I'm going to assume it's a joke vote, otherwise I cannot follow why she is voting him. Even worse, you look at her D1 list, she's voted Ritoky and she doesn't even scumlist him or change her vote before she leaves? The rest of the posts are answers to questions, mostly by Damdred. Since you don't know me, this is my second game ever, first normal on TLM (thus unprepared for how quickly the thread took off) and I even told Damdred I had to keep reading other's posts to answer his questions on my reads. Also where are you getting that I am suspecting Damdred? I even said later on he was reading town. The third post you cited (lot of reads for this early D1) was in reference to bunnies' list of D1 reads, which seemed like a lot to me given she was posting under pressure and it was so early in D1. My citing Kita was because calling him iffy for just saying hi seems like a stretch. Damdred asked me to discuss 27NB's list, so that's exactly what I did. I was asked for reads on Froggy and Vivax and I was doing reads on multiple others at the same time. LoneMeow: I did not skirt the issue. I broke up my response in two parts. First post was the reads on Froggy and Vivax. Second was a response regarding the 27NB's list of reads. Also, the game started at 11pm GMT, and it was 1:30am when I went to bed with work at 8am. If I could have stayed up until 3-4am GMT to keep sorting things out, I would have. I fell behind on the thread, which I've done some further catching up on just now. Indeed, HF already pointed out that you weren't talking about Damdred there. It was my bad since I just assumed you were talking about him when you started with "Damdred, about that listpost...". I was also confused by the fact that Damdred made a listpost somewhere around that time as well. I agree that 27ninjabunnies doesn't look good. She also does have more fluff than you. Fluff in itself isn't so bad though, in my opinion. What I was more concerned about is that your posts seem to maintain some appearance of relevance without really having much (if any), whereas 27ninjabunnies has more fluff that's clearly just useless. Generally I've noticed that Mafia tend to make posts more along the lines of your posting style. Well, since you're here, why not share your reads? What do you think of players other than 27ninjabunnies? | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:01 Half the Sky wrote: I also asked KelsierSC first thing last night to explain his logic for asking Scrooge to claim, he then acknowledged that he made a mistake in asking to claim, now I see that Kushm4sta has claimed scrooge. Kush appears too experienced a player for this knowing the game mechanics (Marley, if he exists, goes through any protection) so assuming he's not Scrooge, why did he roleclaim? I'm not following. Probably a joke. I hope. | ||
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On December 09 2014 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont know man Xata, her tone seems pretty happy and alright. Meh, not making a read now on her. Hey Holyflare, that is completely true on Vivax. However, bunnies didnt explain shit on her change which makes me think it is really bad. So too scum to be scum. Vivax's reasons for Bunnies scum are weak though, looks exactly like what he said bunnies was doing. Are you known as a tonereader by any chance? I saw one on Vendetta Strada and actually he was pretty accurate.Seriously though, I guess you could call her tone cheerful. That's not necessarily exclusive to town play though. I hope she'll continue posting for now. | ||
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Half the Sky: do you have other scumreads besides 27ninjabunnies? | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:30 LightningStrike wrote: Well not much of my reads did change as I did read the thread from where we were last night compared to today and it been mostly the same stuff as why I given them their original reads Didn't you think anything of sicklucker's claim? | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:39 LightningStrike wrote: I did but it doesn't make sense though the way he acting though and when I played with him he was Vanilla town in the games I played with him when he had these weird shenanigans but I not seeing this game. This doesn't seem be the sicklucker I know. So you're... not buying his claim because he's only been VT in your games with him? Or what? | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:43 LightningStrike wrote: Strongest to Weakest in order HF Damdred OWS FF rsoultin Slam Templar Also I not buying sicklucker claim because he doesn't seem to be himself on making weird shenanigans early in the game which he does when he was Vanilla Town. There are two things wrong with that last paragraph. 1) He claimed named VT, not regular VT. So maybe you shouldn't compare to a VT game. 2) His filter kind of does consist of shenanigans. | ||
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