TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 2

On December 10 2014 00:38 liancourt wrote:


Then what does it mean? U are so sure of this why?

On December 10 2014 22:42 rsoultin wrote:


Why would we? NB never claimed a role. If she did and I missed it, please link. There was a miscommunication involving a caroling vid, but she flat out said that was not a claim.

That list is getting way more attention than necessary. It was never that important to begin with, and if she says that iffy was meant as null and people to look at was meant as scum, then fine. She should know. Regardless, it should raise enough doubt to get those of you who are hyper-focusing (and have been from the start) on froggy and NB cause it's convenient and they were the first to draw attention to take a step back and actually look at some of the other players in the game.

The point that she is not as strong a scum case as before does call into question Xatalos' decision to vote her when he wasn't comfortable with it before. Maybe he has no other scum reads (kinda scary), but if so, he has time to defend himself.

On December 10 2014 22:58 rsoultin wrote:


Eh, I don't really have the time to answer this, to be honest. You can see it sprinkled through my other posts. I'll try to be back in enough time to change my vote if it's warranted, but gotta work. Ciao.

On December 10 2014 23:06 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright don't know who is in the thread so just going to spout some stuff.

So the first read I had of NB was that she didn't contradict herself and then hf explained how and afterwards I was like yeh you're right and I read hf as town for that.

So then NB comes back to the thread and pings me out for having soft reads or something, again like I just don't agree but I suppose if you have a different playstyle then yeh you can see that as scummy I guess.

She then gives her read on viv which is really not explained that well at all, she linked to a post and apparently he made "substantial" posts.

She also made the post "you need to learn how to read me, you are stupid" to somebody. Which I really didn't like because it is just mafia faking indignation. How can she possibly think she projected town.

So yeh I would happily vote that, if it wasn't for tubesock voting her which is really giving me pause but I will talk about that later.

So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum.

So then after this we get a few people who bw onto the vote, OWS, who just posts shit anyway , FF who I think is scummy, then rsoult...who might just be misguided.

So then tubesock, also votes on xat despite not understanding the wagon, but then unvotes again to go back on nb, even though nb pushes on me who he thinks is bad for town.
His main reason I am bad for town...because I talked to a woman and because apparently my reads aren't substantial. so this is a sheep of the nb reason (a terrible reason) , so you just sheep the read of your top mafia,
So then I have to evaluate what I think of tubesock because his play is so non sensical. So then I think well maybe NB could be town and tube/viv are the mafia.

Like I look at the votes on nb and a lot of my town aare voting there, but then HTS and tube vote...

I think my scum lynch would be LS, FF, viv and tube..pretty ok with that

On December 10 2014 23:08 froggynoddy wrote:


You should only regret defending me because you think I am scum, not because you dislike my reaction. I found your play relatively fluffy, appearing to be active when not contributing to town. Just because you are defending me does not make you town. Similarly even though Damdred attacked me I think his play is pretty townie.

You should not be looking for jerky play you should be looking for scummy play. Generally I also don't like people defending other sas it stops them from responding. Its also easy for scum to look town by defending town.

Re low post count: TBH I am finding this game relatively overwhelming. first game in a while and the only reason I thought I would be able to be active is due to the post restriction... this has not worked or at least people are posting without content which is making is making it more difficult.

I have had a look at LS - though again I disagree with most of his reads I feel that he is just being clumsy (like me it seems) rather than scummy.

I really don't like Rit's posting. will have anothe rlook at filter by tonight and decide on whether I find it scummy as well as bad/weird. I will also have a closer look at Templar since he has come back, but from what I can see he seems to be contributing so null read.

On December 12 2014 11:11 rsoultin wrote:


Heh, he's certainly less present this game, but the only one I'm comfortable giving a meta-read on is SL, and that's just cause he's so careless it's obvious. As a near plynch, sure...but I wouldn't vote Oats Day 2 unless I see something scummy from his corner, and he's reading more null than anything to me right now.

On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?

On December 12 2014 21:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Oats, I want you to say exactly why you want to lunch frog.

Early day 1 - (when he is meant to be busy): lots of fluffy no content reads;
Mid Day 1 - Comes back with something again that looks constructive but is not (see FF's deconstruction that I would tend to agree with)
Late day 1 - no real pressure on him (apart from me kinda and FF kinda) - says a few things of no value - goes away (whilst this is when he was meant to be more active).

On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.

His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me.

On December 12 2014 22:17 The_Templar wrote:
Froggy's read on me isn't terrible. It shows a pattern at least.
Slam is town based on what I've heard on him.

On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:


This post looks so mafia to me right now.