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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 15:01 GMT
#1240
On December 10 2014 08:11 27ninjabunnies wrote:
2. Rereading, as in I'm reading the pages that I have missed. Sorry. I'm not a grammar nazi.
3. Yes, froggy has one post.. It isn't alignment indicative to me. I find him iffy because he only had 1 post. I havent read anything he may or may not have done since then. I'm sure my reads will change by the time I catch up. I never called him scum. I called him iffy. Iffy for me is I don't have a read either way. People to look at on my list is more scum than iffy on my list.

#Koshi is actually stupid this game, and should learn how to read me.

The only way I'll retract that statement is if you learn to read what I mean, and actually find mafia instead of lynching a town.

This is why 27nb is impossible to take serious.

On December 10 2014 02:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I love the votes on me, I really do. Im doing a bit of rereading, but I won't br able to make a huge post until after my final today.

Im only up to page 21, so I have a long way to go,

Rereading = reading new pages BUT SHE FUCKING LEFT ON PAGE 19 AND THEN SAID SHE WAS ON PAGE 21. SO SHE WAS "REREADING" 2 PAGES.

Why can't she just say "I read 2 pages". No, she goes with the "I am doing a bit of rereading."


[Q] Is this scummy or just annoying?
[A] Well, It is for sure fucking annoying. It might be a scummer spouting nonsense and failing to make it comprehensible for others.


3. iffy = non alignment indicative = can go either way

The word iffy also changed meaning, pretty sure the iffy people were scummy people before.


#Koshi is actually stupid this game, and should learn how to read me.

10 votes on her and is adhomming me.
I get townreads all around and she gets scumreads all around.

Really. Good job 27nb. Good play. To victory boys and girls!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 15:08 GMT
#1241
On December 10 2014 23:53 Xatalos wrote:
Kush and ritoky seem more like null. Haven't looked at them closely though

Anybody who believes Kush really thought he was scum because he had a red name and posted it in the thread cuz he couldn't care less is naive.

Kush doesn't trow games as scum. He does ridiculous play as scum a lot. (Sometimes as town.) But he is not going to tell the thread he got a red role for shits and giggles. He knew something.


Ritoky isn't doing jack-all. He is focussing on 1 person while he is a capable player and can easily focus on multiple people. I don't have the feeling Ritoky is looking at the bigger picture this game. But he is so sure about his 1 read. I find that odd. Very odd.


If we don't lynch Ritoky he isn't a bad copcheck. Or shoot him. Depending on the afker.


On December 10 2014 23:51 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi you don't want to lynch OWS btw?

Not today.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 15:29 GMT
#1244
Things that don't add up about 27nb:

1. Happy all the time
2. Threatening to roleclaim because she is receiving too much pressure.
She knows roleclaiming is bad for town. It should be a last resort. When everything else failed. Her tone should somewhat change during the last time she was here. But she still ended with memes and "I love this guy".

1. Saying "there is enough time for me to solve this game, I am going to do it!!!"
2. After reading "I got nothing"
What did 27nb give us? Something about Kelsier. blegh. Talk about not being able to change your reads at all. He was from the start under the iffy people.
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 10 2014 08:31 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, some things I'm going to point out.

TS asked me about reads on KelsierSc and Vivax.

Let's start out with Kelsier

I had a "Look at kelsier" reminder in my list because somethings seemed off to me.
Looking through the filter, most of the beginning posts were joke posts.

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
27nb gets a comfortable but elegant pair of slippers

hf gets a piece of wet cardboard with elastic straps

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 08:50 KelsierSC wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred

Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.

And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?

While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that.


I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because:

A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad

And

B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers

And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off


##vote 27ninjabunnies

Enjoy your date


I'm not brushing it off, I' trying to look at it objectively. I think what he said makes sense. A. I know what he said. I said he was talking about policy lynching and lurkers. I never specifically said what he thought about it.

I don't think it's scummy. I think people are making something scummy out of nothing.

Thanks for the vote I knew it was to happen eventually, but I figured Ritoky would be the first to do it!

And I will enjoy my date Food and alcohol. what's better?


Well no. You said people talking about lynching lurkers are "off" and he was an "easy target to look scummy" which is already a contradiction in one post and now you are saying you know what he said and it doesn't look bad and people are making mountains out of mole hills which is a contradiction with your first post. There's a great deal of backtracking in what you are saying and I don't like it.



where is the contradiction?

she seems to be saying other people might find it scummy \flag him but she doesn't think it is?


Kelsier goes from that to this

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.





Kelsier wasn't specifically defending me, but was saying that he understood exactly what I was saying about Froggy, yet then completely goes to agree with HF moments later when I get pressured. what is that?!

Everything else Kelsier has said makes no sense to me. It seems like he is just throwing out random one liners and baseless reads to be read as town. the only remotely thing that makes some kind of sense is the read on bats when he supposedly pinged out HTS for something said, and the read on Oats, both of which I'm going to have to look more into to get a better read on where Kelsier's mind is at.

As of now, I'd prob lynch Kelsier.



Vivax- after reading through his filter seems really town to me. Actually probably one of my top towns at the moment.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=40#791

This post explain why. I think I've explained why I put Froggy as iffy, vivax, at that time. What do you think? Also, In that post you mention you don't like Koshi, or more so he's freaking you out. Can you go a little bit more into Koshi, and what kind of read you've made on him since that post?


What is this case? Something about Kelsier agreeing with the case from HF? Something 8 other people did as well? And then something about random oneliners and reads that are made to look town. MUCH ACCURATE. VERY CONVINCING. WOW.

Can somebody tell me she got a point? What baseless reads? What oneliners? Why are they fake reads by Kelsier to he could look town. Convince me.

1. Roleclaiming.
2. Retracting as soon as somebody says. Are you roleclaiming?
We call this "scum who is fishing for blues."
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 15:30 GMT
#1245
So yeah.
Please spend time talking about 27nb.
Look at her filter. Look at what she says make sense. Convince me she is town.

Even if you don't believe it yourself. Can somebody make a towncase on her?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 15:42 GMT
#1248
On December 11 2014 00:33 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:
So yeah.
Please spend time talking about 27nb.
Look at her filter. Look at what she says make sense. Convince me she is town.

Even if you don't believe it yourself. Can somebody make a towncase on her?


Some of the people voting on her are a bit suspect in my eyes.

Like tubesocks ,weird voting pattern, and HTS

Your point being?

You don't have a clue who is scum and who isn't. Do you think there would be a wagon on somebody with 10 votes you wouldn't find 1 person suspicious on? This is mafia. Everybody could be scum. Of course you are not going to like everybody on a 10 person wagon.

Bad reason.

Why are you not voting for Tube or HTS?


On December 11 2014 00:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:
So yeah.
Please spend time talking about 27nb.
Look at her filter. Look at what she says make sense. Convince me she is town.

Even if you don't believe it yourself. Can somebody make a towncase on her?

She certainly did not mind posting and drawing attention

Hello

But I would have thought HF knew what he was doing. I have rescinded that.

Chupazi, she had 9 people feasting on her corpse. She had to post and do stuff. Are you impressed with the stuff she did? I am not.
Like... What she did could be town trying to avoid misslynch or scum avoiding lynch. The entire Mason claim stunt was pretty desperate mafia stuff.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 19:00 GMT
#1283
Xatalos. Read my posts. I gave you 3 names I wanted to lynch.

If you can proof to me that OWS has a meta in which he is never less useful as town D1 I will revisit him for today. But you cant'. So stop being dumb. Thx.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 19:08 GMT
#1286
I would lynch you over Xatalos anyday anytime though.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 19:14 GMT
#1289
On December 11 2014 04:11 KelsierSC wrote:
So when nb said "i could just claim" i was pretty fucking mad about that but reading it now. Either she is a role or scum right, saying that as vt is just really anti town Imo.
for that reason i don't think she should be the lynch d1 and we should focus other targets now and see exactly what play nb makes d2. Interested to hear more thoughts on my ff read.

I am leaning too heavy on scum. Tell me why she might be town. Using her filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 19:19 GMT
#1291
On December 11 2014 04:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:
On December 11 2014 04:11 KelsierSC wrote:
So when nb said "i could just claim" i was pretty fucking mad about that but reading it now. Either she is a role or scum right, saying that as vt is just really anti town Imo.
for that reason i don't think she should be the lynch d1 and we should focus other targets now and see exactly what play nb makes d2. Interested to hear more thoughts on my ff read.

I am leaning too heavy on scum. Tell me why she might be town. Using her filter.


I can't but she did basically claim a role and I think we get more information if we look elsewhere today and see what nb does d2

Sorry. But that is a ridiculous bad idea. Scum tends to claim roles to survive. The somewhat smart ones at least. There is no drawback when you are getting lycned.

Either she is scum and will claim RB. Or she is town and will be RB.

There is no new information tomorrow.

And I am not leaving her alive so that if she is town she might eat a RB.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 19:21 GMT
#1293
If you want another person to be lynched. Tell the thread why your target has a bigger chance to flip scum than 27nb. Based on their filters.

I don't see that anywhere.

I see some valid cases on other people. But I don't see why they are a better lynch.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 20:13 GMT
#1316
There are major signs that this is a town lynch. But what can we do?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 22:12 GMT
#1388
Always lynch 27nb.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 22:21 GMT
#1398
Always lynch 27nb.

Kush is more pro-town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 22:25 GMT
#1400
On December 11 2014 07:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 07:21 Koshi wrote:
Always lynch 27nb.

Kush is more pro-town.

I've been getting a scum tone from you but I've never played with you before.

What makes kush pro-town?

Learn to read.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 22:28 GMT
#1405
On December 11 2014 07:26 sicklucker wrote:
I think the kush thing will sort itself out tonight. I dont think mafia can ignore him if hes town. So if hes alive id be very worried.

Arnold should just shoot Kush. If you believe he is Scrooge you are naive. He is scum. Kill him.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 22:31 GMT
#1410
On December 11 2014 07:30 batsnacks wrote:
If kush is scum then ritoky is scum too:

ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast

You are a smart man batsnacks.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 23:04 GMT
#1423
I am fine with it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 23:10 GMT
#1425
Arnold can blast him away.

Kush is 100% useless. Just vigi him. You don't have a better target.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 23:13 GMT
#1429
Shoot Kush = thx.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2014 23:40 GMT
#1444
On December 11 2014 08:33 Trfel wrote:
Ok, this isn't working out.

What are some good strategies to effectively playing in a Mafia game that is this long, and has this many players? A lot of filter reading and note-taking, or what?

Focus on a couple people that you know. Or some reads you trust. And go from there.
I had a good night of sleep.
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