On December 18 2014 22:19 Holyflare wrote:The_TemplarShow nested quote +On December 15 2014 22:23 Holyflare wrote:Ok well I read templar and I'm really not enthused. He spent all of day 2 not particularly doing anything (i also noticed he said he liked kelsier but also gave the caveat that he hadn't really read the thread at all) and gave no input into literally any of the wagons at all. He was so heavily focused on Tubesock and all of his posts but never really with anything else at all. For someone who read the thread he just jumped onto my wagon with ease based on not even gb's case but a small post gb made.
If he hasn't been reading the thread he shouldn't know whether any of the case is true or not and if he did read the thread he'd know it wasn't. He also never bothered to read me at all, never bothered to even check anything about anyone but instead only attacked tubesock for voting on mafia instead of his main read which is so fucking irrelevant when the lynch was between me/ff/kelsier that i find it hard to believe he even cares who he is voting as long as it isn't kelsier.
It's really scummy that he has no real thoughts of his own and was quite happy to sheep onto a mislynch with no real work behind anything other than going after tube.
Tubesock, you crazy.
I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
It's also super outrageous that templar says this and then the post he sheeped gb on and agreed with to vote me was saying that i had no reason to be on nb
His filter is also littered with useless comments like when froggy returns with a list post he just ignored any of the content in it and instead just asked an irrelevant "what do you think about x" question
This dude is super scummy.
Now that we know kelsier flipped mafia, adding to this case are things like his initial rng located here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=14#270Now, people that post rng post it in order to stick with it either in a joking way and get discussion going or in a serious manner and stick to it like glue because they are retarded (bh). Templar, after rnging it in the most suspicious way possible (not doing the division mechanics in any pre-determined way) picks out kelsier. Now, in my opinion kelsier had done crazy suspicious things like calling people town based on no meta to counter the read and also calling bats town after bats read has been proven false (as I pointed out and trfel copied for his ultimate case to lynch mafia), yet, as I was pushing ninjabunnies at the time over that read templar returned with the fluffiest post of all time:
Show nested quote +Going back, Kelsier had led a noble-looking life for some time. As a devout Starcraft fan, he had followed many tournaments in 2013, even helping cover them through live reports. Santa knew many children that were overjoyed by that, as Kelsier had lifted immense pressure off of a few of them. Even recently, he still watched and waxed eloquent about the game, and could be considered passionate by many peoples' standards.
What had Kelsier really done wrong?
##Unvote
He never mentions ANY actual in game content about ANYONE other than they are lurkers/using posts badly:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=18#351After literally a wealth of information and posts on the 3 subjects, kelsier/bunnies and froggy he instead decides to say absolutely nothing about any of them. Kelsier isn't mentioned for content at all, froggy is mentioned for being a hypocrite with no opinion on the matter and then he unvotes kelsier to sheep onto the ninjabunnies wagon not because she was contradictory, had her top scum read or w/e in her scum list bla bla. Only because she had spent some posts talking about clothes and used 12 of 80 posts on this. You could argue this was just at the start of the posting spree on bunnies but he returned later and had an equally useless post about his top scum read:
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On the sleigh ride, Santa had read this post very carefully. Ninjabunnies, along with many other people, had created her own list of who she expected to receive Christmas presents, and who would receive coal. What position was she in to determine this? Why should she do this? Santa supposed that it was a vital component of the argument taking place and that she was taking steps to ensure she was as or less likely to be placed on the naughty list compared to anyone else. Santa was not convinced, however. Why did she think these people were on the naughty list? Why had she bothered to defend the froggy one when she was going to label him Naughty for the same reason?
he STILL mentions none of the arguments
but only scum reads her based on the fact she wasted some posts and posted a list????? Comment: Clearly not. His reads are SO surface level it's actually ridiculous. He's also busy pointing out people that are red claiming (is alakaslam a snowman?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=20#400 etc) His posts are specifically intended to look like contribution, by way of length, but are instead just multiple waves of nonsense that doesn't make anyone scum and he's refused to even take part in the discussions.
+ Show Spoiler +Koshi
Half the Sky
Oatsmaster
kitaman27
Damdred
rsoultin
froggynoddy
kushm4sta
sicklucker
Alakaslam
Vivax
ObiWanShinobi
The_Templar
Xatalos
LightningStrike
liancourt
batsnacks
ritoky
Fecalfeast
Holyflare
GlowingBear
LoneMeow
Trfel
Tubesock
KelsierSC
27ninjabunnies
He's like totally ignored everyone that is posting about the bunnies lynch apart from vivax (mainly me) yet posting similar things about her and has this weird list that comes out of nowhere.
I'm also not ignoring the fact that he called bunnies scum for having a list of reads but then made this list, Comment: He wasn't calling her scum for just having a list. See above. I'm also not going to ignore the fact that he calls bunnies mafia for wasting posts but doesn't even mention slams spamming slew of posts as indicative at all. Comment: Could be a double-standard, but aren't you the same one who said you don't even bother trying to read Slam? I can't understand him half the time. Double standards are crazy and scummy. He's ignored everything that made kelsier scummy in this respect too and actually bolded him based on...? Nobody will ever know at this point because all he talked about in regards to kelsier is that he liked to write about starcraft.
The rest of his day 1 was a LOT of afking and then one of those "catch up with absolutely everything in the game" posts, yet this catch up specifically said absolutely nothing and made no conclusions whatsoever it was comment on post by post. Comment: Agreed. Very little original content throughout his filter. He maintained that ninjabunnies WAS scummy and being pushed for good reasons
yet, later in the game said I fell off halfway through day 1 and had no reason to be on bunnies: Comment: Quote? I didn't see this in his filter.Show nested quote +Tubesock, you crazy.
I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
He then AGREED with gb's case which stated that I had no proper reason to be on ninjabunnies because the points didn't make her mafia and that he DISAGREED with the other half of this case because he didn't know where I said any of the stuff gb was mentioning (which later turns out gb pulled out of his arse).
Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 05:59 The_Templar wrote:On December 13 2014 05:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Templar, thoughts on my brief case on HF.
On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote:
HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe.
His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum.
HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time.
He is scum.
Bolded: where did he say that?
Otherwise I agree with this case. HF looks worse than he did halfway through day 1 He is literally saying he agrees with gb's case that I didn't have very good reasons to be on bunnies after he was also on bunnies (with like 0 reasons???) Comment: The actual wording says you were pointing out things that weren't "mafaish" and not trying to find alignments. This is how you made your read, not whether or not your conclusion was justified. Yet then when it starts to pick up some more, he starts saying he agrees with everything GB is saying on me. (I don't have to reiterate that
following this case is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE Comment: The case was bad, yes, but not alignment indicative, unless you're saying everyone who agreed with GB was probably mafia. if you had actually read it and fact checked it because I have destroyed this case multiple times and GB HAS STILL NOT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MY DEFENCE 3 DAYS LATER -.- -.- -.- -.- -.-).
Show nested quote +Currently, the naughty list is Ninjabunnies, GB, and LightningStrike from what I've seen.
It's also quite odd that if he sees that half the case is what he's guilty of and the other half doesn't make any sense and he was previously scum reading gb the night before that he'd just go full on sheep mode and say "great case".
He also has contradictory self meta whenever people call him out on it:
Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 22:54 The_Templar wrote:On December 13 2014 12:25 Vivax wrote:
Tentative naughty list, it would be cool if we could lynch one of these baddies today:
- GB for this discrepancy in his case. The froggynoddy suspicion is entirely new and he doesn't look included among his scumspects. Rather fresh scumread stemming from that HF case, still have to look for more stuff thoroughly.
- TheTemplar for not being the ballsy, (scumhuntingly) talkative town templar who always gets townread D1 and mostly NKd N1. Gut based explanation, check for inconsistencies also pending here (yes I'm not going through as many filters thoroughly as I probably should yet, besides we can't lynch all of em today so I think it's fine)
- Fecalfeast for some of the stuff I found in his filter and already mentioned, plus he martyrs at various points, like during N1 and lately when he sort of expressed he doesn't care about the scumreads. But it's not the sort of righteous townie martyr when somebody is genuinely pissed off about people scumreading him or the sort, it's more like the "I don't care about the game"- martyr. Additionally he was in the focus of the night killed guys.
- Trfel for playing extremely subpar to his last game when he's capable of much much more. He doesn't want to stand in the spotlight in this game.
There's probably 5 scum since the formula for scummers is usually amount of players / 5. I don't know why people go on so much about tubesock claiming there's 5 scum being a scumslip. Scumslips are overrated in all the games I've played in save very few exceptions. Overall I find him tedious to read cause he has such a weird way of expressing himself, if I would give him a read it certainly wouldn't be cause of that.
Finding the likely 5th scum pending. Tempted to look into the direction of Oats, soultin, Kelsier for this one.
I will admit that I'm not playing like either my town or scum meta.
When I'm mafia, I tend to lurk a lot and try to have reads on everyone to look like I'm trying to solve the game.Sorry I'm being inactive, stuff that happened during day 1 broke my spirit in general.
Here he says he would be crazy lurking normally as mafia and putting out reads. Yet, later, when pressure is building on him he changed it to:
Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:On December 17 2014 07:17 froggynoddy wrote:
Templar, slam and perhaps Oats are scummy lurkers rather than simply AFK/ town lurkers for reasons previously disclosed.
I'm not a scummy lurker because, as scum, I will always:
1. Post as much as possible, at all hours of the day in order to make myself look active.
2.
Post my 'thoughts' on every player, so that I'm not clearly ignoring someone.3. Make ridiculously long posts to justify an opinion
4. Change my behavior as soon as someone mentions it is scummy.
Regarding Vivax, he seems to have a new list of scum reads every day and it's concerning me.
being really active, posting all the time, with long drawn out posts of justification. He seems to have multiple metas thought out for all the occasions! Comment: Using meta as a defense when his meta isn't consistent is scummy to me, I agree. The red portions mean the same thing, but the rest appears to be contradictory.There's also these random tidbits on throwing accusations on vivax:
Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 00:44 The_Templar wrote:
I can see Vivax and ritoky. Wanna explain the other two?
Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 18:11 The_Templar wrote:On December 18 2014 18:04 Vivax wrote:
Templar ur scum with Oats HF, amirite?
There's this part in ritoky's filter where he calls you out on the fluffy posts, and it sounds entirely different from how he handles his next suspect, plus his next suspect ends up among his scumreads and you don't. Plus there's one point where he questions an OWS townread but not a townread on you.
Additionally you've been a N1 kill in every game I was in and have bled townie every time from the start.
Sorry broski but this is ggnore.
I'm pretty sure you did exactly the same thing.
On December 14 2014 15:07 Vivax wrote:
Also Templar is mafia.
Like super mafia.
This post was followed by nearly 0 mention of me, for about 48-60 hours I believe. The only difference is that you quietly listed me on your scum list about 24 hours ago.
after saying absolutely nothing about him all game, sheeping his read on xatalos day 1 and vivax having the supposedly same reads as him because they both wanted to lynch me forever. It just looks like he's throwing suspicion everywhere he can.
Then you can just read the above quoted previous case I made in regards to him not giving a shit about who is lynched ever and instead pressuring tubesock EVEN THOUGH HE SAID HE COULDN'T GET HIM LYNCHED. How futile is that?
Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:54 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 06:53 Tubesock wrote:On December 14 2014 06:52 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 06:49 Tubesock wrote:
Templar, you have been on me since the beginning of day 2. AND JUST NOW YOU VOTE OFF ME WHEN I SPAM AND DROP HUGE READS???
Why are you so concerned about this when half the people in this game saw huge walls of text and immediately town read you? You are still mafia in my eyes, don't worry.
Then vote me.
I'd rather actually be able to lynch a mafia.
Where has this tube thing gone by the way?
Oh yeh, sheeping dat thread sentiment onto a town lynch again even though there's literally nothing he's said about me, spread suspicion onto vivax for after my flip and gb's case has been dissolved. There's no reason to be on me other than to blend and obtain another mislynch. (They only need 2 to win btw)
The Meta -
ignore this section if you're a twat face+ Show Spoiler [The_Templar] +There is pretty little to go on in terms of meta in the database for templar, yet, just looking at the differences between the games, the amount of effort going into his mafia game is far more than here. Yet, so is his town game. This is congruent with what he is saying part way through the game at least. However, there's a difference in his posting styles. As town you see posts like these ones on page 4:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?user=The_Templar&page=4he seems like he's chasing up his reads, finding inconsistencies in people's posting and making sure people know it. It's not the matter of appearing to have a read on everyone, it looks like he's trying to get people to notice things that make people mafia.
Whereas in his mafia game here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?user=The_Templar&page=4You see things where he is posting reads like "i agree with this", "your posts are pretty null" and yes, you can say he has long posts as mafia too for instance here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=20#382that look the same but when you read the actual content he isn't finding the inconsistencies within the people's posts he's instead going very surface level and just saying that he disagrees with things and that this is how they'd act in video mafia etc etc. There's no real game logic involved.
Now when you tie his meta together with this game you can see the same things. I stated earlier that all his reads were "surface level", they weren't congruent with his original thoughts. Comment: I don't entirely agree that he's not finding any inconsistencies or just saying he agrees/disagrees, but I find the meta inconclusive anyway.He doesn't read things properly or even bother to CHECK whether there are inconsistencies at all. You can literally see this where he disagrees with half of gb's case on me (and agrees with something that he is far more guilty of) but never follows up to see whether there was an inconsistency with what gb was saying or not, especially as he scum read GB the last day and town read me.
In fact other people were left to do this and he didn't give a shit and went after tube who is no longer anywhere in his reads at all. Comment: I've seen some continued light pressure, but nothing significant.
##vote the_templarmore to come, eventually....
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