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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 18 2014 20:56 GMT
#4109
much thread death, little discussion of great cases
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 18 2014 22:06 GMT
#4111
On December 19 2014 06:54 rsoultin wrote:
You made some good points in your case and i dont mind joining you on it once it comes closer to lynch time or once im in a position to fact check it convinces me hes more likely to flip scum. i will say hpwever that part of the meta section was really hard to read/understand and seemed contradictory on your part (not just his). Like you were saying that he doesnt play this way as scum or town? Or was the point that his description of his own meta was erroneous?

Its not quite a lurker push but its closeish. Ill take a closer look when i have a comp and can really see what youre digging into. on the surface however i wouldnt quite call it open and shut so youll have to let me investigate on my own a bit before id push templar over gb. also interested in vivas case/reasons.


That part just outlined that in comparison to his other games he was lower content but the rest of it proved that it made no difference because the style is the same. It's not a good meta if you don't have the comparison.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 18 2014 22:25 GMT
#4114
"holyflare is pushing templar for the credit"
"I don't think hf is town anymore though for no reason because he made a good case"
"i dont want to lynch templar even though i think hf is bussing"



????????????? do you ever think what you write through
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 18 2014 22:33 GMT
#4117
because that person is very likely town because they sent it to ff so they'd just be a target for nk's and i can keep the name secret to protect them while knowing that they are town and if they get pushed i'll know they are getting pushed as a possible mislynch - most likely. It's like a green check basically.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 18 2014 22:43 GMT
#4118
you are quite literally not lynching me over templar today, none of you have said why you aren't sheeping it at all, there's literally 0 reasons
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 18 2014 23:10 GMT
#4127
but you were all content to let me get lynched then after agreeing with my case/wanting to kill gb
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 18 2014 23:17 GMT
#4132
On December 19 2014 08:11 liancourt wrote:
Lynch holyflare

what is wrong with this town


people like you
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 18 2014 23:33 GMT
#4135
no that's not the reason at all, i've given a perfectly good case, rsoul gave a perfectly good case and you just come back and say "lynch hf" instead of commenting ona nything at all

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 00:04 GMT
#4138
because it's absolutely awful and you keep calling me mafia, forgive me for not shitting on everything you say when it frequently reaches that conclusion based on nothing but a line of massive wifom after wifom that you have chosen to pursue when it is false
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 00:06 GMT
#4139
On December 19 2014 09:04 liancourt wrote:
Temp plays shit as town. He makes stupid decisions which look scummy. That last game where he tried to bait ppl who didnt read the thread proves it. And i wouldnt lynch temp over u.

Making a case on the first person who made a case on hf...reallly? Hf is the main suspect and ras just makes a case on the cop who first found him. And i wouldnt lynch gb over u.


Absolutely none of my case is based on what you have said at all and gb is not a cop. None of my templar case is based on "shit play" or baiting people, it's based on facts, logic and scummyness. If you can't see that just stop posting your opinions because we've heard them since time began.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 00:17 GMT
#4141
no i would quite simply have given up if i was mafia because i'd much rather not get yelled out by my gf on holiday just to win a shitty mafia game but getting mislynched and fucking up my perfect record is a far greater cause to stick around for

On November 12 2014 20:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2014 16:04 Holyflare wrote:
On November 12 2014 15:15 geript wrote:
HF is really easy to tell as town because of the difference in how and why he pushes. I hope other people pick up on this.


I feel that way too, like I'm pushing really obviously not scummy things as mafia and sticking to it

You kinda do. But more importantly you did not give a single fuck in LYLO/MYLO/whatever. At that point it was really really obvious that you were scum.

That's the second mafia win handed to you by ritoky - you should make a thread thanking him instead of apologizing to Obi.



^ proof i just wouldn't give a shit at this point because right now it's basically almost lylo and if I die it would be lylo
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 00:21 GMT
#4142
I'm also going out tomorrow so won't likely be around for deadline which is going to fuck with my peace of mind entirely because I can't trust any of you to do the right thing and just lynch templar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 00:33 GMT
#4145
Like the case is so super solid that even if I was mafia I'm handing you a mafia on a plate so you should be jumping on that shit anyway?? He even returned to say the meta was meh and never said anything about any other part of it. If he does claim a role you'll know he's mafia too because he already claimed joyful child. How perfect is that?

Free mafia lynch!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 07:23 GMT
#4182
On December 19 2014 11:44 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2014 11:27 rsoultin wrote:
- RNG reads more like a joke/trolling...so not sure of the significance here, unless it's that he happened to pick KSC from it


That's how I read it, actually. He even acknowledged it was a joke, it was how he got to it (the division mechanics) to pick Kelsier and more importantly the followup (the Starcraft unvote) and then the sheeping. Just that entire process.



Aka entirely contentless for an entire day while cases were being made.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 07:35 GMT
#4184
On December 19 2014 11:27 rsoultin wrote:
I'm going to stop asking SL questions at this point, since he prefers not to answer them.

I've been looking at HFs case, too. There are some issues with it, unfortunately. I'm not saying it's a shit case, cause it's not, but it's certainly not open and shut.

- RNG reads more like a joke/trolling...so not sure of the significance here, unless it's that he happened to pick KSC from it

- while I agree that his Santa posts were mostly summary and repeat analysis, there still was some analysis, which HF is downplaying...the remark on the list, for instance, specifically referenced froggy's placement; it wasn't just a list

- the point on slam and bunnies both spewing posts...slam doesn't seem to be a big content poster anyway. ninjabunnies I haven't really played with, but if she doesn't play like slam, then comparing the two isn't necessary and isn't really a double-standard

- i'm also not really seeing the issue with Templar agreeing with the case against HF except HF doesn't like it...since the post he agreed with was speaking specifically to how HF came to read bunnies, not the fact that he scumread her

---------

That said, though I'm finding HFs actual analysis a little dodgy, there's not a ton of original content in Templar's filter apart from the odd comment/question here or there. Some of the questions do seem to be in the interest of exposing logic pitfalls and progressing the thread...but that's not hard to fake.

As for the meta...that's borderline, too. Having reads on everyone and posting thoughts on every player is actually the same thing. The biggest difference is between lurking and posting a lot...though really I'm not sure why Templar is bringing up his meta at all if it's not solidly indicative of anything. That alone is scummy.

Tube is also a very easy scumread to latch onto, especially with the "scum slip" that had the whole thread jumping down his throat. An easy mislynch if he's town. So I can see the argument there. And if Templar, Rit and KSC (ironically the only bolded ones in his first lynch) are all scum, and HF isn't scum, it's got to be better for mafia to have a run-off between two towns over one between a scum and a town or two scums. Apart from that, I don't see much reason to pressure Tube during that vote. Better to save it for later.

All-in-all...Templar could be scum, but I wouldn't call him my top scumread.


You can't say that some analysis is the same as lots. Does he even push this point? No. That's what the meta comparison is for, I don't know why you mentioned the meta being the difference between posting a lot or lurking when his mafia game had more pages than his town one but the meta i pointed out was about content not posting amount. A little amount of content and no insights is the mafia meta. Just because he has 1 post that is copied from what everyone else has already written is the opposite of insightful.

His read is specifically about whether a person was wasting posts or not and he didn't even check to see if she normally does that which means he made a conclusion based on only this games facts. Slam spamming in a post restricted game about nonsense is the same reason he scum read bunnies. It literally doesn't matter in that case because if slam can do it as null then it's not alignment indicative for a player he doesn't have a meta on.

You say there's nothing wrong with him agreeing with the gb case too which is actually bad. Gb says bunnies was never scummy and that i had absolutely no reason to be on her. He also talks about me "scum reading" people. Templar VOTED FOR BUNNIES. If it was a "good case" that means the 10 people that sheeped me also had no good reasons to be on her. 10 people can't be mafia and he voted for her too. He's essentially agreeing that being on the bunnies wagon is a mafia thing to do when it's impossible to be solely a mafia thing to do. He then also doesn't know where i posted the scum read on wagon thing, doesn't check it out and I'm sure someone corrected gb on it (probably you iirc) but he never changed the "good case, sheep" read ever.

To do the above and then just focus on someone that he can't get lynched, that he admitted he was wasting his time on, instead of finding out who to lynch is outright scummy.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 07:38 GMT
#4186
^ another person arguing the point that i proved was terrible for mafia to do -.-
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 07:43 GMT
#4187
You literally can't say I'm a huge distraction when only 2 bad people are talking about me being mafia and the other one you agree has a good chance of being mafia based on rsoul case.

That doesn't make any sense in the slightest. Read my post about ritoky that I've pasted about 8 times and then tell me again how great it is to trade 1 town for 2 mafia instead of 1 mafia and getting great town credit.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 09:41 GMT
#4193
Unlike you, they know when there's a good case for a person to be mafia and that I'm most likely town. Quite literally everything you have stated has been explained away, has been countered and has been disproved yet every single time you come back into the thread you come up with a new conspiracy theory on how i'm mafia based on wifom presents, wifom mafia switching when it's not beneficial to them, wifom nk's. None of your play at all has been on actual analysis of what is going on in this game and it's quite sad really
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 09:45 GMT
#4194
If you feel like you have a great case for me to be mafia right now, post it so I can disprove every single piece of "evidence" you think you have and prove that there is in fact the other alternative situation where I'm town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 19 2014 09:48 GMT
#4195
It would be nice to have an actual discussion instead of you barking fallacies all over the thread and pushing terrible points
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