TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 18

On December 19 2014 06:54 rsoultin wrote:
You made some good points in your case and i dont mind joining you on it once it comes closer to lynch time or once im in a position to fact check it convinces me hes more likely to flip scum. i will say hpwever that part of the meta section was really hard to read/understand and seemed contradictory on your part (not just his). Like you were saying that he doesnt play this way as scum or town? Or was the point that his description of his own meta was erroneous?

Its not quite a lurker push but its closeish. Ill take a closer look when i have a comp and can really see what youre digging into. on the surface however i wouldnt quite call it open and shut so youll have to let me investigate on my own a bit before id push templar over gb. also interested in vivas case/reasons.

On December 19 2014 08:11 liancourt wrote:
Lynch holyflare

what is wrong with this town

On December 19 2014 09:04 liancourt wrote:
Temp plays shit as town. He makes stupid decisions which look scummy. That last game where he tried to bait ppl who didnt read the thread proves it. And i wouldnt lynch temp over u.

Making a case on the first person who made a case on hf...reallly? Hf is the main suspect and ras just makes a case on the cop who first found him. And i wouldnt lynch gb over u.

On November 12 2014 20:47 justanothertownie wrote:

You kinda do. But more importantly you did not give a single fuck in LYLO/MYLO/whatever. At that point it was really really obvious that you were scum.

That's the second mafia win handed to you by ritoky - you should make a thread thanking him instead of apologizing to Obi.

On December 19 2014 11:44 Half the Sky wrote:


That's how I read it, actually. He even acknowledged it was a joke, it was how he got to it (the division mechanics) to pick Kelsier and more importantly the followup (the Starcraft unvote) and then the sheeping. Just that entire process.

On December 19 2014 11:27 rsoultin wrote:
I'm going to stop asking SL questions at this point, since he prefers not to answer them.

I've been looking at HFs case, too. There are some issues with it, unfortunately. I'm not saying it's a shit case, cause it's not, but it's certainly not open and shut.

- RNG reads more like a joke/trolling...so not sure of the significance here, unless it's that he happened to pick KSC from it

- while I agree that his Santa posts were mostly summary and repeat analysis, there still was some analysis, which HF is downplaying...the remark on the list, for instance, specifically referenced froggy's placement; it wasn't just a list

- the point on slam and bunnies both spewing posts...slam doesn't seem to be a big content poster anyway. ninjabunnies I haven't really played with, but if she doesn't play like slam, then comparing the two isn't necessary and isn't really a double-standard

- i'm also not really seeing the issue with Templar agreeing with the case against HF except HF doesn't like it...since the post he agreed with was speaking specifically to how HF came to read bunnies, not the fact that he scumread her

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That said, though I'm finding HFs actual analysis a little dodgy, there's not a ton of original content in Templar's filter apart from the odd comment/question here or there. Some of the questions do seem to be in the interest of exposing logic pitfalls and progressing the thread...but that's not hard to fake.

As for the meta...that's borderline, too. Having reads on everyone and posting thoughts on every player is actually the same thing. The biggest difference is between lurking and posting a lot...though really I'm not sure why Templar is bringing up his meta at all if it's not solidly indicative of anything. That alone is scummy.

Tube is also a very easy scumread to latch onto, especially with the "scum slip" that had the whole thread jumping down his throat. An easy mislynch if he's town. So I can see the argument there. And if Templar, Rit and KSC (ironically the only bolded ones in his first lynch) are all scum, and HF isn't scum, it's got to be better for mafia to have a run-off between two towns over one between a scum and a town or two scums. Apart from that, I don't see much reason to pressure Tube during that vote. Better to save it for later.

All-in-all...Templar could be scum, but I wouldn't call him my top scumread.