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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 04:31 GMT
#2804
It's funny that 2/3rds of the case on ksc are points i made yet i was the counter wagon tbh

Funny in a sick and twisted way
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 04:52 GMT
#2806
On December 14 2014 13:39 GlowingBear wrote:
The advice marv gave was to damdred, and it was about listening to what people are saying. Nothing else.
I also never said I was wrong about you and froggy. I said I couldn't find you explicitly calling him scum. I found you calling his entrance out and saying he looks terrible for wasting his vote.
Then you completely ignore those three people you said looked terrible.


If i call someones post bad then I say that his vote looks terrible at an initial stand point because it is on a person nobody voted for and then when asked about my read on froggy i talk about how his actions at deadline looked like they were honest and from a towny mind set which part of that is completely ignoring those people? Which part of that is a scummy contradiction with the rest of my play?

Quite literally none of it. You didn't ask me about hts or you and instead only froggy and somehow jumped to the conclusion that I'm scum because i didn't look into things when it's quite evident i did. Unless you're admitting to actually being mafia why does me not stating an updated read on you or hts in the thread make a difference? If i thought they were mafia I'd push them.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 05:02 GMT
#2808
You don't even look at who i am pushing. Ritoky, someone pushing crazy false info who also was in my list of terrible votes. Ff who was in that list who I thought had excellent reasons to lynch and I actually still don't see how people call them bad. You who are pushing quite blatant lies and things that don't make any sense who is also part of the list of the worst voters.

Glad people were keeping up with my filter though because I've literally explained all of these things away and yet only 2-3 people said anything and even then still voted me anyway.?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 05:12 GMT
#2812
Yes well I think gb is entirely mafia so maybe you should follow my reasons instead of blindly ignoring gb and sheeping his case because it looked pretty when it was riddled with lies.

All you have to do is fucking read his case and realise how wrong all of it is??

I'll look at the rest sometime because I remember like 3 people jumping on me for absolutely no reason other then "yeehhhhh hf!" and more that were actually against voting me but then did anyway??

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 05:12 GMT
#2813
Yes oats posts have been terrible though, would lynch entirely.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 05:13 GMT
#2814
Another one of those people that just state an ff lynch is bad but no reasons why and then ignores all the evidence.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 05:19 GMT
#2816
Why were you fine to give kelsier another day but not me who wasn't even around to defend myself???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 05:20 GMT
#2818
And you know.... Sheeped 2/3 of your case from
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 05:40 GMT
#2827
On December 14 2014 14:23 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:
On December 14 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote:
On December 14 2014 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:
On December 14 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them.


OWS did not waste his vote. Check the vote count Sicklucker, he actually hammered KSC.


obi is super town or super bussed his team mate.

but since i think HF is scum and the fact that obi didnt want to vote HF earlier before thread sentiment was on kel i'm inlcined to think obi super bussed kel.

But lets see how HF flips.

Rit shoot HF

Vig can find someone else hopefully. Oh wait mafia might have RB so...vig shoot HF and rit find someone else to shoot.


Are you just oblivious to everything I'm writing?


I can ask you the same thing. Why are you so mad that we lynched a mafia? We have 3 days till the next lynch. If you are town, why are you so worried and frustrated? Because town was successful today?

I feel vindicated. Unless you show me some reason to come back and post, I probably won't. I made my case. Your turn.


How am I mad that we lynched mafia? I'm mad that I got so close to being mislynched, something that has never ever happened to me, while being afk because people couldn't be bothered to read gb's case properly or even lool at my entire filter.


Also Trfel, you literally say IN your case that I had called out kelsier for his weird post on me and if you are reading the game or even kelsiers filter itself you must have known I also called him out for his batsnacks stance. I find it INCREDIBLY strange that you

A) don't town read me after making that case
B) don't even realise i made those points after reading the game for so long AND rereading kelsiers filter to make your case in the first place
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 05:41 GMT
#2829
^ and then ditch it all to vote for someone you should know was agreeing with the points you made/think made kelsier mafia.

You didn't sheep vivax on Fecalfeast at all yet you did on me very easily over your own case. It's really really strange
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 05:47 GMT
#2834
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=KelsierSC&page=2

Read this page and tell me again how you didn't realise you weren't sheeping someone's points
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 06:06 GMT
#2845
On December 14 2014 14:52 Trfel wrote:
@Holyflare

Is it really that suspicious that I constructed my own argument without looking at someone else's? I read the posts looking for information based on what KelsierSC said, not for what others said about him. I've already stated that I don't feel like I can read everything as carefully as I would like in such a large game, so I limited myself to KelsierSC's filter and any outside information I deemed necessary while reading the filter.

I will take another look tomorrow to attempt to get a read from this Holyflare/GlowingBear mess. Right now, I won't offer reads about either player since I haven't given the arguments much attention since the lynch. I am sorry that I forgot about the Holyflare defense post, that was pretty sloppy of me.

Also, agreeing with someone doesn't mean you have to townread them. GlowingBear said that he was okay with lynching KelsierSC as well, so do I need to townread both of you?


Yes because as you literally just stated you are reading kelsiers filter and i just linked page 2 of his filter where he's literally just arguing with me about the town read on me and the batsnacks town read. He even quotes my posts many many times. I think it's bad that if you base 2/3 of your case on something that isn't original thought and if you actually read his filter to make a case you'd instantly know it isn't (there is absolutely no way I'd see you missing something so evident) that you would even contemplate voting them off when they aren't around to talk over someone you made a case on!

You even sheeped vivax when he called gb scummy all day yet jumped on me and you even said gb's case on me was bad iirc??? I literally have no idea how you could ignore a fecal wagon all game but so easily jump on someone you should be super hesitant about lynching especially over your own case/my points.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 06:56 GMT
#2851
Any normal person that sees someone making the exact same points as them on their top scum read would think that that person is either the same alignment as themselves or at least has a very good chance of being so for noticing the exact same things.
On December 14 2014 04:36 Trfel wrote:
I agree, I don't really want to lynch Tubesock here. And yes, I realize that makes me a potential #2 in line. I think that we can find something better before the deadline.

I saw your question, rsoultin. I'm reading over Holyflare's filter again, then I'll get to ritoky's filter. I'll post conclusions when I am finished.


You also say you read my filter and then actually point by point went through gb's case and said everything wasn't scummy (but still said you liked it???) yet somehow everything you wrote was an original point, you had no idea after reading both mine and kelsiers filter that your points were already raised you push them as your own and then after disagreeing with vivax for a long time on fecal and disagreeing with gb's case on me you ditch your own case to vote with vivax who scum read gb all day and then sheeped the case that you picked apart and said didn't make me mafia???

I don't buy that at all. Anyone that has claimed to have read those filters would not vote for the person whose argument they are essentially agreeing with together with someone whose case wasn't very good and someone who was joining a wagon based on a contradictory stance (vivax) over their own case.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 06:58 GMT
#2852
To put it bluntly I think kelsier was in hospital and just told you to bus him and you were a mafia with super low credit who was actually a great wagon and so took the opportunity to get credit by sheeping cases other people had made and calling them your own.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 06:59 GMT
#2853
Then when a mislynch opportunity arose you were quite quick to dismiss your entire case on your mafia buddy to lynch me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 07:16 GMT
#2857
On December 14 2014 16:07 rsoultin wrote:
HF...

A mislynch opportunity didn't actually "arise". You and Tube were the options first. Tube started coming off as misguided town (and wasn't a very strong lynch anyway), several of us were uncomfortable voting either of you, and it turned into a who do the people not voting for HF consolidate on.

You should probably actually read what happened before you start throwing accusations around. Not saying Trfel hasn't done some weird things or couldn't have bussed, but yeah. You were always on the chopping block.


I've read it. If tube comes off as town and the only option left is me who trfel actively disagreed with gb's case on then who is he supposed to vote? He literally even says "readinf ritoky and holy's filters now" and then his next post somehow jumps to making a case on kelsier. It's not a coincidence that he had these "original thoughts" after reading my filter and ritokys filter seeing as 2/3 of the case are my points and the othed point is ritokys.

I don't think I've ever seen someone make a case and then completely dismiss it to vote for someone they agree in points on their mafia read with and then don't agree with the case on that person with. Hid excuse was "oh it happened to fast and i sheeped" but what bs is that? Why would he make a case unless he wanted that person lynched and if there are wagons with 8 votes how many people does he even think he needs to vote for his case anyway? Not tk mention all the stuff i wrote about vivax and gb and what he should have been thinking about them
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 07:18 GMT
#2858
On December 14 2014 16:09 Vivax wrote:
Lawdy that looks like a scumslip. I don't know if HF is not scum but I know that Kelsier was scum and HF is..Something so I wrote not-scum.


Ready for all that town cred if you flip mafia though
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 07:23 GMT
#2860
I don't know how obvious an answer you want but not killing a team mate seems like an obvious one to your statement. Nothing in the gb case is valid in the slightest apart from me not pushing ritoky at the start of the day about the present because people were being stupid and arguing with me about the mafia agenda that it can achieve.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 07:26 GMT
#2861
And the mods don't really care about the post restriction if gb has 12 pages and wasn't even a wagon
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2014 07:32 GMT
#2864
Hmm ok. I'll have a think about things if I don't die then and I do see what you're saying, kind of. I really just want to enjoy my holiday and this game is eating into it big time.
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