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On November 27 2014 11:40 Elvis! wrote: Who told you that you came to that conclusion with your brain? Your brain? Maybe it's playing with you. Care to give me 1 mafia and 1 town? | ||
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On November 27 2014 11:53 Elvis! wrote: Obi - town since he's similair to last game and that's the best intel I have so far (even though it's still terribly weak). Sent is mafai since he's complaining about people not being productive while he falls under his own critera. Again crazily weak argument, but an argument How is obi similar to previous game? You are referring to Campus Mafia, yes? | ||
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On November 27 2014 21:56 GlowingBear wrote: Superbia is underwhelming, but at least he didn't post images and didn't sound like he was trying to stop traction of any discussion. He is not to be overlooked, nonetheless, because he is also another a big walls poster Elaborate on this GB. Specifically, where did you get the idea that I'm a "big walls poster"? | ||
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On November 28 2014 01:26 GlowingBear wrote: Aww don't make me search for it... Fanfic? I think fanfic. You mostly post big lists You were an active part of last game's OBS QT, a game in which I was mafia and I survived the entire game. But rather than draw any correlations between my play that game and this game, you come up with a vague meta-read of "Superbia is a big list poster", which you can't even properly pin point to a fucking game, let alone an alignment. The fact that you were OBSing my scum-game from a couple of days ago, try to give a half-assed "read" on me based on "meta", during which you don't even refer to the scum-game I played a couple of days ago, is scummy as fuck. Let's move on to the rest of your game so far: On November 27 2014 12:40 GlowingBear wrote: I think holyflare is wrong. Believing JAT would be here doesn't makes him scum. I understand what HF says but that's too much WIFOM. I find weird the "we are fucked" thing. I can't understand how HF got to this conclusion. Keeping up a bad argument isn't scummy. I can see townie coming from that perspective. I also can see mafia. It means his post is null unless it is connected to some further behaviour.s I hate this post. You basically discredit HF's case but draw zero conclusions from it. What's the point? Why do you feel a need to comment on the case if you have nothing to add and JAT hasn't even posted yet? How does this help town? Protip: it doesn't. On November 27 2014 21:45 GlowingBear wrote: I don't like this post. He makes it sound like snow is mafia for being unfunny, which, obviously, isn't a mafia trait. Snow likes to fuck around, well, that's what he did. If he had little participation, that's also not alignment indicative. Funny thing though is that geript concluded his thoughts saying that snow has a town trait. Which makes geripts post useless. Content less. Yet previously you say: On November 27 2014 12:40 GlowingBear wrote: I like and hate this post at the same time. What did you like about the post before? Because you just said that the post had no content and was useless. Moreover, you manage to make two posts about the same fucking post and manage to draw zero conclusions from it. On November 27 2014 21:56 GlowingBear wrote: Elvis jokes were off and he mostly cluttered the thread when discussion was getting traction. Disrupting the discussion with spam felt mafiaish Also, in his last game, Elvis mostly posts only big wall of text with paranoid thoughts. He didn't do it here. Again, you reach zero actual conclusions here. Is Elvis mafia for doing this? Do you feel like a newer player would be trying to actively disrupt the game in which there are a lot of veterans as scum? Then GB goes for some weak fucking pushes on Elvis, followed by: On November 27 2014 22:46 GlowingBear wrote: That's the problem. I've said my post isn't wishy washy because I've brought things like "this guy looks town, I don't like this", period. I believe being wishy washy is alignment indicative, unless you have specific meta read on someone. ##Vote: geript And a couple of minutes later: On November 27 2014 22:52 GlowingBear wrote: Bah. Boring. ##Unvote ##Vote: Superbia What the fuck? Why aren't you voting on Elvis, who you should have the bigger scumread on (judging by your posts)? TL;DR: GB's non-spam posts reach 0 conclusions. GB's meta-read is shit-tier, and it shouldn't be. GB isn't doing anything for town. GB is mafai. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear | ||
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On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote: You were pushing suspicion onto me because I am a "big-post player" and I hadn't posted any big posts. This means you indirectly claim a meta-read on me, in which you say that I only post big posts if I'm town. When I call you out to specify where you get this meta-read from, you mention the fanfic game, in which I was town. The fact that you fail to mention the game in which I was scum and you were obsing, makes this meta-read utterly irrelevant. Maybe big posts are not alignment indicative for me at all. Which leads me to the following conclusion: Your meta-read is shit and contributes absolutely nothing towards town. This leads to a multitude of other questions. You of course should know that you had obsed a game in which I was scum, which means that there was a reason you didn't bring it up over the vague "big posts" read. The reason would have to be: 1. You don't bring it up because there is no similary to my scum-game, hence it doesn't fit the agenda of lynching me. Scum-motivated. 2. You don't bring it up because you haven't put a lot of time into OBSing that game, which you claim. The problem here is that you feel comfortable having an out-dated and incomplete (only town) meta-read on me and are comfortable pushing on this read. I feel like you are a competent player, and this is not something you would do as town. Hence it's scum-motivated. There is a secondary problem with your "I wasn't following it closely" defense, in that I think it's an outright lie. In the OBS QT, you call me out on multiple occasions as scum, which indicates that you were paying attention to my posts, and that you had managed to gather a read on me in some way. The fact you had managed to read me as scum multiple times in the OBS QT proves that you had been paying attention to my posts in the game, and that your defense here is a complete fabrication of truth. On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote: The flaw in this defense is that you would have to assume both HF and JAT are town. The collision between the two players could easily provide town with information regarding their alignments, this is what pressuring players is all about. I don't understand why a veteran player like yourself would not want to see this play out if you were town, as you would be able to gather information yourself regarding the alignment of these two players. Moreover, you really did not put town into a track at all. You basically gave a small number of players a less than cursory glance before deciding to put down a vote without any proper logic behind it. Pretty damn scummy. On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote: I will concede that this was not the meat of my argument as to why you were scum, and more questioning what you were doing as town. I feel like you have answered this part of my query, but it does not make you town. Also, I don't feel like anything substantial came out of you looking at Geript. On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote: I don't believe this. I feel no new player would be proactive and disruptive as scum. They are way more likely to try and blend in with town, preferring to be passive. This is, however, a matter of opinion, or at best, conjecture, which makes it a weak argument as to (from your point of view) the strength and motivation of this read. That being said, you end by saying "we should take a look at X", something which you have said before (at least once). As town, "we" should be looking at everyone. The fact that all you are saying is that town should "take a look at X" just screams scum to me. Talk about being non-committal and not useful. On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote: Non-answer. Scumreading someone and then putting your vote outside of your scum-read is indeed scummy. What have you done with your scum-read so far? Absolutely nothing. Do you truly believe I am scum here? I sincerely doubt it. I fail to see any town motivation behind the vote, which makes it scummy in my mind. On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:Everything is forced in your case. I wonder if you're trying to generate discussion but it doesn't seems the case. It seems you're trying to look town tryhard. "Aggressiveness is a town trait, I'll be aggressive!" My vote stays on you, now. This is not a counter-argument whatsoever. Which parts of the posts were forced? How did you reach this conclusion? This entire section of the post only makes sense if you had a hard scum-read on me before the post, which you didn't. And even then it requires a healthy amount of suspension of critical thinking to conclude that I essentially made the post to "appear townie". Talk about forced reactions. | ||
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On November 28 2014 08:21 marvellosity wrote: well Palmar was only a wildcard. Superbia your post reads pretty well to me, but my gut isn't wholeheartedly in it just yet. I'd like to see it play out between you. I will say that that post does a better job of demonstrating suspicion than your last one did which demonstrated "badness" more, for wont of a better word All right. That's fair enough. | ||
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On November 28 2014 08:39 GlowingBear wrote: Do I really have to answer Superbia's big post? Because I'm kinda bored with it. Am I scum? | ||
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On November 28 2014 08:43 Holyflare wrote: I quite clearly told you smash bros was released today. Gb is also my top suspect from my list post. You're just kind of rehashing what I've already said about him. "he criticised ppl for wishy washy posts and said it was alignment indicative but he did the same thing as them" "he voted his scum reads top mafia suspect" "he said he was making discussion happen but just asked about lurkers and did nothing " " he pushed elvis for ruining discussion but said he was changing the thread so that discussion started " You're actually just copying the points i raised Have you actually fucking read my post or what? | ||
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On November 28 2014 08:44 GlowingBear wrote: Probably not. You're wrong on your read but I find your stream of thought genuine this time. Can you respond to my post? | ||
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On November 28 2014 08:52 Holyflare wrote: I meant your previous points were a rehash. These new ones are pretty much just continuing to point out the same things in a different way. His elvis read was bad and scummy = his elvis read was bad because he's new. Your only real new point is that he used bs meta and refused to respond about what he did being scummy which he did exactly tje same way to me already Right. I'm not going to lie, I did not really register your points on GB at all. Let me give a quick recap: 1. GB says something regarding my meta, which I recognize as weak and wrong, I make an in-depth push on it. 2. I check out GB's filter and notice the following: - Weak push on Elvis for a bad reason. - Vote do not align correctly with reads (I did notice you pushed on this as well, but I do not recall seeing any follow up). - Cursory reads with no conclusions. - Trying to devalue your case for no good reason. Hence I scum-read him and take up this in my case. My case was rather complete, so it makes sense that it would include points that might've been brought up before. Do you genuinely feel like my points were a complete or partial rehash of your points? What does this say about my alignment? | ||
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On November 28 2014 09:07 GlowingBear wrote: That's your opinion. Btw, Superbia, I'm not a vet. Or am I? O.o I'm pretty sure you've played this game before. I've seen your name many times. | ||
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On November 28 2014 09:16 GlowingBear wrote: Since May... Not sure if it make and a vet. How do you read marv? That's like half a year. I don't really have a read on Marv. Most of my time has been focused on you. | ||
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On November 28 2014 09:16 marvellosity wrote: Playing game before != vet Take "you have played the game before" more sardonically. | ||
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On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote: damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me? D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. | ||
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