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On November 25 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote: imo day ones are stupid. I never take too much info out of day one but I do try to get some and start the game rolling I try to take charge as town. Im certainly not going to vote breske because of it , this is the kind of thing you look back at when you have more information. Kind of agree with your day one idea. Not to say that it's stupid, but it takes some time to make a decent read. On November 25 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote: This is pretty townie. This got me at least one slight town read Anyone could have said this. It's not uncommon to have a policy lynch on lurkers. I don't know why you would come out and say that it looks town. Unless you're going to say that it's a meta-play and you're trying to judge Breshke on his reaction to you saying he's town, but then you could say that everything is a play and you wouldn't have to be held to anything you said. Anyway on the topic of policy, I wouldn't necessarily lynch all lurkers on day 1. Only if there was no reasonable candidate scum lynch. | ||
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On November 25 2014 08:36 Damdred wrote: Cool stuff what do you think of the couple things that have been posted so far I have my eye on sicklucker. Not really sure what he's up to but I expect he's fishing for reads. I would like to see what he comes up with by end of day. Otherwise I'm marking it as suspicious. | ||
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On November 25 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote: I know its not much posted so far but is there anyone else you are looking at or hinking about? Not really. Breshke and HtS look like they're trying to reason their way through the game. You're asking lots of questions which is good. Not enough info for me to put you on by bang list. Could you alk more about the bolded and where lurker lynch/policy lynch came from. Maybe I could explain the bolded part a bit better. sicklucker opens by saying he's going to afk. I guess he was fishing for a reaction from someone and Breshke jumps in and votes, because an afk town is essentially useless. (Though I would usually let the modkill go through). Now sicklucker isn't playing afk at all, he seems to be poking and fishing around for responses. Could be ok, or could be suspicious. I think it was way too early to give a town read for that just based on Breshke's response. Really easy for anyone to make that call. Now, since sicklucker backflipped on the afk deal, maybe he is just saying Breshke is town, and fishing for more info, or maybe he really is posting that as a read. If it's a genuine read, I don't really think it's justified based on that small interaction. If it's fishing, then I can't really trust any of his reads because he can use that excuse to drop false information. Actually on first read I thought he was saying that Breshke's vote was townie, but now it looks like he was saying HtS's defense was townie. Hm, maybe it's not so bad. Would like to hear whar sicklucker is really thinking now. Often in other games players have put forward a Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policy. I don't really agree with these but I was wondering if anyone else follows policy votes. Also in other games we have posted our reads in Marry/Bang/Kill format. I'll be doing that once some more people have posted. | ||
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bats and oats seem to know each other and are talking a lot. I would like to see you two focus less on each other. HTS Being very defensive. At least he is asking stuff and showing some reasoning. I think he is fairly cautious but nothing stands out that would make me call him scummy. In fact I would lean town on HTS at this point. Breshke His first vote for sicklucker is not alignment indicative in any way. At least it put some pressure on him to start the game. On November 25 2014 11:52 Breshke wrote: Is this a thing people do so newbies dont sheep them early? Care to elaborate anymore? I would read Breshke as town just because of this post. sicklucker I said it before, his setups and meta-plays look really weird. If he pulls some valuable info then ok, I will accept the value of it. But right now I think that he is setting himself up to distance from his own posts and I don't like that. Kind of scummy but not my highest priority lynch. On November 25 2014 08:00 sicklucker wrote: do i think breske is mafia* His counter onto Breshke seems really scummy though. Easy to see that his vote was because sicklucker is at best donkey town. LS Says oats is being very constructive. Not sure I 100% agree with that read. kush afk's. Reads damdred as top scum. Then switches votes to cock even though he wasn't in his scumpile. Slightly scummy I think. Damdred Opens with 'ignore me,' yea right. I like his line of questioning tho, very active. Seems very defensive of sickluckers play. Pushing on sicklucker a lot though. I'm slightly suspicious of the early interaction between Damdred, HTS, and sicklucker (see below) slam On November 25 2014 11:32 Alakaslam wrote: FOR THE GLORY THAT IS KENPACHI!!! ## VOTE BRESHKE!!! Interpret me sson Why vote breshke? Because you're scum. Or did you even read the thread. I have no idea why you would want to vote him as town. Anyway you unvote before he has a chance to respond and then go afk. cock Interaction at the beginning seems weird. Most posts are devoid of anything to read. Oats Some defensive posting. seems to say a lot without saying a lot. Trfel Super logic. I'm not sure I follow his argument, but at least he has an argument. batsnacks Basically just tunnelled on oats. Not sure I can lean either way with this. OK something that caught my eye in the very first posts (p5). sicklucker sets his 'trap' and Breshke falls into it. Damdred and sicklucker set up some rapport. Then HTS questions Breshke's response. sicklucker jumps on it straight away to say how townie it is that HTS would defend him like this. He says 'A mafia would be unlikely to defend me.' At this point I see Damdred trying to pull info from sicklucker, kind of indirectly trying to defend him. So, I don't think that HTS is mafia. But if sicklucker is, then I wouldn't be surprised if Damdred was his partner. To me, it looks like they are trying to align, without directly giving each other a town read. | ||
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On November 26 2014 09:22 Half the Sky wrote: I am not familiar with this terminology. I assume you mean kill is like a lynch/scum vote. but what is "marry" and "bang"? Also taking note of your inquiry, on kush, he did not strike me one way or another going through the thread, but let me filter and pull together his posts for a better read. Marry is towniest of town. Bang, I would consider you town for now, but it just might not last. Kill is scum. | ||
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On November 26 2014 09:27 sicklucker wrote: I said breske was null wtf? How am I a donkey town or mafia if after all of that I didnt get anything out of breske and said so(I got alot out of other people... like ALOT) Your post I quoted suggests otherwise. If you have some more reads, then update me. | ||
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On November 26 2014 09:33 sicklucker wrote: If your so sure of mine and dandreds interactions how did you miss the posts where he asked me If I thik breske is scum and I said no? Because I have yet to call breske scum the worst I called him was "weird" Not sure what this means? If you changed your mind on breske then what would that have to do with Damdred? | ||
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On November 26 2014 09:36 sicklucker wrote: Can you not use nivknames so I know who your talking about plz? HTS = HalfTheSky | ||
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On November 26 2014 09:48 rsoultin wrote: ##vote meatpudding Coincidental maybe that you suddenly come in with a buttload of reads after I ask where you went and disappeared to, but that screams lurking to me. You've talked lynching policies a lot and got in early game on the sl, breske business defending breske's vote as not indicative of an alignment...and came out in favor of a no-lynch. Those by themselves aren't that significant. I don't see much value added the first day though. And the timing today...that's what really has me suspicious. Got a good reason for that? Not sure if you're saying I'm in favour of no-lynch? I haven't mentioned that, and I haven't voted yet either. As for the time, it's morning here. On that topic end of day is at 8am for me. | ||
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On November 26 2014 10:14 rsoultin wrote: No offense, dude, but you're wrong. Check the filter. Over 24 hours passed between when he asked HTS for a read on kush yesterday and his Marry/Bang/Kill list today, which was posted about a half hour after I asked where he'd gotten off to. The coincidence of the timing is legit. Nope. He's right. My posts were about 1/2 an hour apart. I was just chiming in while I caught up on the thread. | ||
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On November 26 2014 10:30 Trfel wrote: Simply having one scum read, which I feel started as a reaction for being voted for, doesn't feel like enough to me. Still though, I'll take a closer look later tonight. To everyone else (except Half the Sky, thanks for sharing your thoughts, I'll take a look at Damdred later tonight), I'd really like some feedback. If my case is really stupid, let me know. If it's full of holes, show them to me. Otherwise, vote for batsnacks. I'm not convinced. If you were to sum up your case it seems you're saying that he was highly analytical in other games, but mostly posting without content in this game. So that might be a clue and it's a good observation. At the moment it puts him about equal with kush, slam, LS, rasputin who have not put in very much. (I know I have a one page filter too..). | ||
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On November 26 2014 12:48 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote: My mistake. It was page 10 when you first called HTS town but a couple posts later put him up as your scumread. SL wrant from null to scum as well. Though reading through bats filter I can see that of everyone he's made and effort to not post reads or reasoning for votes so for today my vote stand on him ## vote bats This looks like you're just sheeping Trfel. At least he went to some effort to explain his reasoning. It's not like I think you're totally wrong but on the other hand he's not the only one who hasn't made reads. | ||
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On November 26 2014 19:01 Breshke wrote: Hey meat pudding so i saw your stuff on the damdred/SL interaction but i see it differently from you. I think if damdred is mafia he doesnt single out SL in his initial post (not that he was talking about alignments but he still specifically mentions SL) And then i don't think he goes on to question his scum partner so meticulously. This is just a gut feeling though like i don't think in this setup scum comes out and interacts that much with their partner when bussing is definitely an option for them. Although you can go down an entire meta hole of thats exactly why he would do it. Anyway are these two still your scum reads? What do you think of batsnacks and oatsmaster? Yeah that would make sense except SL was definitely drawing attention to himself at the time. So besides that, I would still have my suspicion on sicklucker, because he was super quick to give out town reads at that time, but since then hasn't given much of a read on anyone. He wasn't too fond of my initial case, but I didn't see him elaborate on the holes he says he found. I was really liking Damdred at first, I though his activity was bringing good results. I only had second thoughts when I went back to read it a second time. It just looked to me that when SL gave his first townread on HTS, that he was setting up for a read on Damdred to make them both confirmed town. Since I mentioned it they seem to have a point of disagreeing, but I could just be paranoid. I would not be opposed to lynching either one. I need to read the part of the thread where bats and oats came in. It really confused my first time. I've said that I'm not sure about the case on bats, but I wouldn't say either are town atm. I'm going to do some diving now. I don't think anyone else is around and I need to vote tonight because I won't be able to catch up before the hammer. | ||
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On November 26 2014 20:19 Breshke wrote: Yeah man deadlines are rough for us. I will probably be around if you find anything you want to talk about. I think you are being paranoid about damdred but it could be a world just not one i think we should consider today. What do you think of bats taking his vote off of Oats to vote dicksmash? Not bad actually, I can't see any real reason not to vote for dicksmash. | ||
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On November 26 2014 20:46 Breshke wrote: I disagree This feels like he knows Oats alignment and is trying to get him on his side. If not what then convinced him that oats was town that would make him then change his vote to someone he had an early town read on and hasn't done much in the mean time Yes the fact that dicksmash ahsn't done much in the mean time is bad and that he won't be around until later is also bad but I don't think bats has actually tried to figure out Oats at all and am not sure what he is trying to accomplish with his vote on dicksmash since he hasn't said anything at all about think he is scum. But is voting someone you dont have a reason not to vote for a good play. How many other people fit into that category for you at this time? It's not the best play, but it's day 1 and information is so limited... definitely no one is confirmed and I only have like two town lean. It's like the battle between the spammers and the lurkers right now. I think bats is pressure voting, I'm not convinced how serious he is with any of his reads. Bats could be scum, but why on earth would he choose oats to pocket? oats has been on his case the entire time. Do you think there is a chance that they are a scum team? Oats is looking almost like a town lean to me. In every post he is pressing for logic and reason. The big problem I have with him is that he has tunneled on batsnacks so hard. Also the fact that both of them said my post was funny, but none decided to push me on it or even vote for pressure. So that's a bit odd. Especially considering the random voting of bats. And yeah while it seems bats hasn't done that much, it looks like he's trolling. It doesn't come off as townie but I'm still not feeling scum here. Anyway I'm not trying to defend bats at all so whatever. I'm not as confident on Trfel as I was before. I feel like what you said about bats could be applied here. He did some good research, but he's pretty much just sheeping oats, no? I fell like he's trying to make a case that feels more solid than it is. The next most scummy thing I've seen so far is slam coming into the thread, random voting and then disappearing. Since he was being ignored he hasn't had to post anything since. | ||
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