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On December 05 2014 01:00 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2014 00:50 batsnacks wrote:
HTS several people have explained why I'm town at every stage of the game. Why do you/rs keep saying there's no precedent for me being town?
You're either not reading or selectively reading. Weird way to phrase it. What are you actually asking? As for several people explaining why...he's talking too much to be scum is kind of a laughable defense imo. Especially when none of the games I saw you in you were a complete non-entity. But then, I keep saying I don't trust meta, and everyone here still likes to try to shove it down my throat. This obsession with how many pages is in someone's filter seems to be a pretty superficial way to go scum hunting. And a very easy one to get around.
Yea, this is the thing, both extremes are bad. Lurking is bad, but then excessive spam is actually a good way to muddle things up for the town, makes it harder to filter dive, and using sheer activity as a defence, I have no idea why you're doing this Bats.
Also people have explained why you're scum at every stage of the game. Aside from Rasputin, Trfel and Sicklucker were two others.
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On December 05 2014 02:23 rsoultin wrote:
Dunnae, honestly, but with all my question marks voting for him I wouldn't be surprised. Me being stubborn as shit is nothing new, so you suddenly reading me as scum for that is laughable xP
You literally just said me and hopeless are your scum reads. Now hopeless is a likely mislynch?
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Not sure what you're so worried about anyway, bats. If you're so concerned hopeless is scum, and oats, breshke and meat agree, you're safe. Even if hopeless does come along and votes you later. And if he doesn't, I'm not going to keep my vote on you as it is lol. Unless of course you now think I'm more likely to be scum than either hopeless or meat? If you sell that one, kudos to you.
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On December 04 2014 10:44 meatpudding wrote:
sl was for pushing hopeless today, he said it several times. Did he give any reason for it? Perhaps it was by the process of elimination by who he thought was town? If I remember correctly it was oats who suggested first to lynch hopeless.
Actually he was not, Meatpudding. Here are the relevant quotes:
On December 03 2014 11:39 sicklucker wrote:
I think that bats/ls being the two people to vote meat after me makes him a likely town. So we vote bats out next almost certainly. If he shows mafia we never vote out meat its too unlikely.
On December 03 2014 11:37 sicklucker wrote:
Bats and Hopeless1der are the most likely mafia team. Lynch them in that order
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I said you two are most likely scum. And I've said from the beginning I doubt that you both are. This really isn't that hard to grasp, bats.
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On December 05 2014 02:30 rsoultin wrote:
Not sure what you're so worried about anyway, bats. If you're so concerned hopeless is scum, and oats, breshke and meat agree, you're safe. Even if hopeless does come along and votes you later. And if he doesn't, I'm not going to keep my vote on you as it is lol. Unless of course you now think I'm more likely to be scum than either hopeless or meat? If you sell that one, kudos to you.
Nice dodge. You're sinking deeper.
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On December 05 2014 02:31 rsoultin wrote:
I said you two are most likely scum. And I've said from the beginning I doubt that you both are. This really isn't that hard to grasp, bats.
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On December 05 2014 02:34 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2014 02:31 rsoultin wrote:
I said you two are most likely scum. And I've said from the beginning I doubt that you both are. This really isn't that hard to grasp, bats.
Yet you want to lynch the most active of us two first???
No one is dense enough to believe what you're claiming you believe.
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-shrugs-
Make your case if you're going to make it. My reads and thought process have been out there since LS flipped. If town decides to lynch me for not buying that we should default to lurkers over my strongest scum read, town deserves to lose.
So far your biggest complaint is that I want to lynch you first. And that lynching lurkers is better. I disagree. No surprise there.
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You can disagree but you're fundamentally wrong.
I mean there are bushmen in Africa that believe they're alone in the world. They're wrong. There are billions of people in the world.
The difference is those bushman aren't potentially messing up a game I'm playing with their ignorance. You are.
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Could be, bats. If you flip town I'd push to lynch hopeless tomorrow.
The lynch I don't understand is meat. Even after you explained it, it didn't make much sense. Meat probably flips town, and if he doesn't it's a finger pointing storm lol that I doubt we can afford this late in the game. Care to explain that one? (Nevermind explaining why you think voting someone who is "ignorant" over scum is a good idea)
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Blazinghand
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Vote Count
Hopeless1der (3): Breshke, Oatsmaster, Meatpudding
batsnacks (2): Half the Sky, rsoultin
rsoultin(1): batsnacks
Not Voting (1): Hopeless1der
Currently, Hopeless1der is set to be lynched. Day 4 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
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This is really boring.
##unvote
##vote: Hopeless1der
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Rsoultin what do you think of meat thinking HTS is scum?
Also batsnacks you were getting confused when he reffered to something as a miss lynch he was referring to himself not hopeless. I also hope you didnt actually think rsoultin was mafia there as well.
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On December 05 2014 07:40 Breshke wrote:
Rsoultin what do you think of meat thinking HTS is scum?
Also batsnacks you were getting confused when he reffered to something as a miss lynch he was referring to himself not hopeless. I also hope you didnt actually think rsoultin was mafia there as well.
Honestly, Breshke, I'd have to go back through and see what about HTS has had meat gunning for him...this isn't the first time he's mentioned this. In broad strokes, however, there have been multiple times where meat has made reads/posted where it's clear he's been skimming and not reading. Which may explain why his posts make so little sense to you (I think you were the one who mentioned that, earlier.)
Meat makes me uncomfortable. He's a shit lynch for the second mafia, though, at least unless there are no other options. And it is entirely possible that he's simply not putting in the effort to read the thread, or is playing badly because he's new.
That said, he may have a good reason for seeing HTS as scum, so I will go back through his filter to see what the triggers seem to be.
On December 05 2014 06:51 batsnacks wrote:
This is really boring.
##unvote
##vote: Hopeless1der
Pot. You're the king of avoiding questions, lol. At least this time it's boring and not just you not thinking when you post. 
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I'd answer more questions if it didn't feel like I was talking to furniture.
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The problem with Meat is he doesn't like the case against bats. Also I don't think he like I voted for him though he didn't say that, but that's likely one of the triggers.
He clearly didn't read EoD D2, otherwise he wouldn't think I'm scum. So I just need to re-explain to him. My sentiments echo yours fully Rasputin.
Him thinking I am doesn't make me think he is. I told before I think LS filter helps his case.
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@HTS - my name was on there right next to his in LS' last ditch "scum" reads...that said the motivation could have been as simple as wanting to get the lynch moved off him and throw doubt on the player pushing him
Meat started out fine with HTS
On November 29 2014 10:03 meatpudding wrote:
So, my top scum read right now is kush.
I'm on the fence about both Bats and Damdred. On bats, I haven't really been reading him as scummy for most of the game. So far, each case I have seen is not convincing enough for me. His posts are either null or town leaning for the most part. In fact, I would have put bats as a town lean which is the most likely scenario, except for something which make me consider a world where he is scum. His outright agreement with kush being the main thing. I haven't been convinced and I don't buy that bats would read kush town after such a brief amount of posting. So, because I feel that it's about 60-40 that he is town, I am calling it a fence read.
On Damdred, I was leaning scum D1, but after that I have no strong feelings one way or the other. It's pretty obvious that he's not scum team with sicklucker as I first thought. And I doubt that he is scum team with bats. It could be the case, but I think a better guess is kush/bats or kush/damdred. Damdred's posts come off to me as distractions to town. He is acting very defensive about everything. He is asking questions often, but I don't see how they shape his reads. I feel like he is pushing on everyone who makes any kind of statement against him, but is just trying to corner them or wear them down in a 'do you really think that' kind of way. So, I don't really agree with his reads at all and I feel like he should have come a lot further than he has, considering his post count. I don't get his defence of bats, though I am inclined to believe that bats could be town maybe damd is trying to pocket.
On kush, I have seen him as the most scummy player so far.
He lurked D1 and basically didn't post anything except to directly answer questions. I think this is not even a null read, this is scummy, there is very little put forward to help town.
What bothers me more about this is that even though he has not done anything to earn a town read, I feel like he has been given a free pass to the game. So I'm not sure what to make of this. Would his scum partner have the balls to say that kush is def town? I think that is a pretty bold move but it's wifom to think about.
His D2 reads have been no better, and basically random. Breske? (lol) HtS? I don't feel that either. Is he just trying to see what sticks and jump on a wagon without making a case? Meanwhile he I feel like he is being covered for by a partner. Either that or town is being really dopey.
LS i am null leaning scum. I think he pretty much takes slam's place on the list. Something about his posts has kind of bothered me, like he's lurking but not pushing. What makes me suspicious enough to call scum is that kush never mentions him nor interacts with him at all. He gives a D1 scum read with no backup and then just drops on it. Hm.
My town reads from least to most are oats, HtS, rasputin, sicklucker and breshke. The last three especially are pretty legit.
The flip seemed to come from that voting analysis.
On December 01 2014 09:56 meatpudding wrote:
here's some vote analysis that i wrote during the night. I'm going to have to rearead and revise my reads obviously.
HtS
Votes kush obviously to keep himself alive when he was the other wagon. Can't read into the alignment here.
meat
You can see my reasoning for suspecting kush in my other posts.
Breshke
Idk why breshke chose to vote kush, maybe because he was lurking.
rsoultin
Not sure actually why he votes kush when he said Damdred was his scum read.
D1 final count
batsnacks (2): Oatsmaster, Trfel, Breshke
Dicksmash Mcironcock (6): kushm4sta, Damdred, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, SickLucker, rsoultin, Alakaslam
sicklucker (1): meatpudding
Trfel (1): batsnacks
D2 final count
Kushm4sta (4): Breshke, meatpudding, Half the Sky, rsoultin
Half the Sky (3): Oatsmaster, Batsnacks, LightningStrike
rsoultin (2): Hopeless1der,Damdred
batsnacks (1): sicklucker
conclusion
excluding sl and breshke for the time being
pretty unlikely that hopeless and damdred are both scums, but likely that one of them are.
one of oats, bats, LS likely to me mafia
one of hts, rasputin.
I'm kind of leaning town on both hts and rasputin. I would consider taking another look at brashke. Kush's suggestion on the roleblock scenario seems too far-fetched. MAYBE the roleblocker was afk and breshke claimed, I doubt it so much.
My best guess based on the votes is HtS, LS, Damdred
That was before he realized that Damdred was night-killed...and yeah Oats said it, that this assumes that mafia never votes together on anything. Beyond that I see a little back and forth between HTS and meat... Some of meat's earlier reads were well-thought out, though. I'd like to see some real reads from him again.
@Oats, I took the time to read the context for most of HTS' posts...I'm probably just being paranoid about you and bats lol. Though bats is still my top scum read. One question though:
On November 28 2014 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Yeah pretty much. Hes a straight up coinflip. We only have 1 more lynch before either mylo or lylo. Lets not lynch a coinflip.
What's changed between then and now?
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EBWOP:
Took the time to read the context for most of meat's posts.
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On November 28 2014 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Yeah pretty much. Hes a straight up coinflip. We only have 1 more lynch before either mylo or lylo. Lets not lynch a coinflip.
Yeah this was talking about slam on like day 2.
Its day 4.
Totally not even close to relevant now.
But situation is different and hopeless has posted enough for me to be confident in my read.
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