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Are you reading Hts scum only because he didn't hammer you? Why can't you be scum and HTS town.
I don't like your scum team mostly because everyone who was changing their votes around at the EoD is in them. Do you really think 3 scum would be apart of a 5 person lynch mob for now I really don't think that is the case.
If you think bats killed damdred because he was townreading him why do you think I was roleblocked and trefel was killed? Trefels reads weren't imortalised with his death and lucky because he was wrong on at least damdred, so why would mafia think damdreds reads would not be reconsidered.
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Also why do you like oats?
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On December 01 2014 16:29 rsoultin wrote:
No, Breshke. I'm reading HTS as town because if he was scum easiest course is just to switch his vote and let them take me out. If HTS is town, and I am scum, why would I care enough which town (kush or HTS) was lynched? The only logical answer is that we're either both scum or both town. Not enough people are willing to buy HTS being scum right now, even if most seem willing to buy that I am, but everyone is real happy with meat. I could just jump on that train. I should if I'm scum rather than drawing further attention to myself.
As for the team, not sure on Hopeless. But Bats and LS I'm pretty sure on.
Bats knew Damdred was dead before he turned up dead. Good guess, maybe, and yeah I could see Damdred being a logical choice for scum to kill, too. But bats really seemed to know. And what is this bs about lynching any scum being a bad thing?
Of course this assumes that I'm town and I know a lot of you don't think that, and that the logic here
As for oats...he seems to be trying to figure things out? I've never claimed to be sure of him, The third person scum I'm not sure on. I'm most sure on you, SL, and HTS as town right now...and leaning pretty sure on meat too just because of the way the votes are going. They should be trying to lynch me and aren't. Why pick scum over me? Doesn't make sense.
I don't really think you had much chance to change your vote to HTS to egt him lynched because i think the oppisite wagon to kush was you for most of the day and in switching to Hts you would be opening yourself up to being lynched much easier. If you are scum and meat is town you get town cred if he gets lynched, if you are scum and meat is scum im sure you will say "i would never defend my partner like that". Why should we lynch anyone else other than meat. Does it not make you feel weird that you are defending him more than he is himself.
Idk about that any scum being a bad thing bit i have no diea what you are referring tot here. Bats thinking damdred would die makes sense to me. If he is town he knows he is town so he knows damdred is on the right track, mafia also know this so it is logical at least for me that bats would think damdred would die. Damdred was also the one pushing the thread forward the most and put in the most effort to save kush.
Wasn't like the last stuff damdred said about how we should lynch meat?
Also im not so sure on your LS rscum read mind fleshing it out a bit for me. Do you think a scum suggests sleep on D1. This comes from a more newb town perspective to me, yes if we sleep there is no chance of us lynching scum but I don't think LS would have thought of suggesting this as scum that just doesn't make sense to me.
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On December 01 2014 16:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 16:14 Breshke wrote:
Are you reading Hts scum only because he didn't hammer you? Why can't you be scum and HTS town.
I don't like your scum team mostly because everyone who was changing their votes around at the EoD is in them. Do you really think 3 scum would be apart of a 5 person lynch mob for now I really don't think that is the case.
If you think bats killed damdred because he was townreading him why do you think I was roleblocked and trefel was killed? Trefels reads weren't imortalised with his death and lucky because he was wrong on at least damdred, so why would mafia think damdreds reads would not be reconsidered. I think Trfel was killed because he wouldn't come off bats, because he was trying the hardest in the game to figure things out, and because hardly anyone was reading him as mafia (though someone did say something about his long posts being scummy, only I can't remember who). I think both kills were solid town reads for the majority of the players in the game at the time of their deaths, which can only benefit mafia, since they can't force a lynch on them anyway. Not sure why you were roleblocked unless it was just because you've only been semi-active (pretty towny but not out there like some of the rest of the players) and they guessed you to be a likely candidate for a role. Not saying Damdred's reads would not be reconsidered. Saying that he and bats in each other's pockets plays really well to bat's advantage if he's scum, and until that little push where bats jumped on board bats was still being strongly considered. Plus SL all but said he'd follow Damdred's lead anywhere, and rolled bats right into that assessment. If bats is scum, he now has at least one town lackey. The other one most of us liked for scum is LS. I'm voting LS. ##vote LightningStrike
See my problem here is you don't want to vote emat because everyone is voting him but you are voting ls right know because he is the other one most of us have liked. If you don't think scum is bussing then why do you think LS is scum?
So you think mafia had a total different mindset about their kills during N1 and N2.
N1 They killed someone who thought bats was scum
N2 they killed someone who thought he was town
I agree both these people were killed because they were being read town by a large number of players and were providing useful posts. I don't think you should be looking into any other motives with the kills because if you are then it doesn't make sense.
You could be 100% right and that is another reason damdred died but it doesn't help your case at least in my opinion.
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On December 01 2014 17:17 rsoultin wrote:Yes, I know, my case hinges on what I know and no one else can know, which makes this hard, but I still have to try. LS has been playing super timid, Breshke. Doesn't want to vote on Day 1. Was reluctant to make reads because he said he didn't know how town could win without the two town roles. Claimed I forced him to vote on dicks, which is simply ludicrous. I can't force anyone to do anything. Says he's scared to be lynched, because he was lynched last game for being too aggressive. Could be true, but I doubt that's why he's scared to be lynched. I'm voting LS right now because bats said don't, but didn't argue that he wasn't scum. It's weird. I want to see what happens. And I'm voting LS right now because if I do vote meat...I strongly suspect he'll flip town. Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 05:43 batsnacks wrote:
Oh and don't waste a lynch lightning. If lightning is mafia we lose. ^ How does that make any sense? More to the point, bats has not answered when I ask him.
So if everyone switched their vote to LS would you still want to lynch him? My problem is that your townread on meat is solely from the fact that everyone is voting him. Mafia is in a good spot and i think bussing isnt a bad play here. Also if me misslynch today it ism lylo tomorrow, do you really want to leave meat until then? Your townread is based not on his actions but on the actions of others.
I agree that LS entire "scared to be lynched thing" isnt helping anyone but there is a chance this is really coming from his point of view. LS for when you are here i think you need to give reads, being scared isnt even a real thing.
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Im interested in hearing from Oats and Hopeless scum teams when they are around.
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I think hopeless needs to be serioulsy looked into if he doesn't pick up his play today. He is the biggest question mark slam being almsot nonexistent (not his fault) and then only bits from him yesterday he could easily be town though that's the problem.
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I thought i already said i think bats is town. I was wrong on damdred and now that he is confirmed town him reading bats town for reasons i couldn't understand doesn't worry me was much. I am also no convinced on LS but am feeling better about you after discussions today rsoultin.
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SL what is your read on hopeless right now? Is it town?
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So i have SL and HTS as my top towns, bats town mostly because of damdred and im actually trying to compare his play this game with last game i played with him and it is similar but thats one games meta so it means shit. Im left with 5 people who im considering for the lynch today.
I don't think all three mafia was in the lynch mob (Batsnacks, LightningStrike, Hopeless1der, Damdred) because there was a very townie intention behind it and that helps towards me reading bats town because if I had to commit to one town between the three of them it would be bats for sure.
Im liking you today rsoultin because the way youe asily responded to me and I think you reacted in a towny way when i was pushing on the fact that you didnt want to vote meat but were happy to vote dicksmash. You explained it and have stuck by it. Also furthermore on this I don't think you are scum with LS nor do i think you are scum with meat. While you could easily sacrifice LS here if he is your scum buddy it is a play for the long game because it increases the amount of lynches you have to survive and amount of days you have to be townie for. Also I highly doubt you are scum with meat because I don't think you defend your partner that much when he wont even defend himself, you would be more annoyed with him and would just vote him and take the town cred.
I had a quick read of Ls filter and realized he didn't make a single read on day 1 and voted dicksmash not because he thought he was scum but because rsoultin reassured him it was a very low chance to hit a power role. After this first day he talks more about being scared which fits is more excuses for him not making or pushing reads which is scummy in my eyes.
I havn't really been sure on Oats much this game and its hard because ive missed large portions of it which i can just reread but it isnt the same as being around for stuff. At the start of this game he was making the most sense to me when he was pushing on bats and damdred. Realizing now that my paranoid world of damdred being scum is wrong. The fact that his reads now are also people who are possible scum for me is good because his reads have developed and he still isnt just pushing bats.
Meatpudding im actually unsure of and have to go back and read more why bats/damdred are so sure he is mafia. I liked his early game and i think some people don't like him because he makes a lot of list posts and thats an easy way for scum to look town and look like they are giving a lot without actually giving a lot. Although im fairly sure meat was in my very first game and list posts were almsot the norm in that game so i don't think that makes him scummy. I don't like that he hasn't been around at all today because it feels like he has given up and i think it is more likely that scum gives up because it is easier to convince people you are town when you are town.
I have nothing on hopeless but he could easily be scum considering my reads on other people.
This post got longer than i thought so TLDR
Scum
LS, Meat, Hopeless
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So if SL has been able to make his play this similar this game to last game then he will probably just win. Trying to work out his allighnment by what he is actually pushing makes my brain hurt because apparently he says random shit sometimes that he doesnt actually believe or that is what I have come to understand.
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On December 01 2014 21:03 sicklucker wrote:
Like I dont think Ls is with meat. I dont think he snap votes him as a new player like that.
So do you think LS is town or meat is town?
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On December 01 2014 21:04 rsoultin wrote:
Edit: That was directed at bats in case it wasn't clear.
And thank you for your reads, Breshke. I'm not 100% in agreement with all of it but it does seem very thought out. And yes, it would be very nice for meat to show up and put something in. We've still got over a day though so...there's that.
wow you read that fast
I don't expect you to agree with all of it im surprised it actually makes sense. Rsoultion I would be voting LS right now but I dont want meats to think there is no pressure on him when he comes back to the thread because he needs to start being towny today. So thinking on that how do you feel about people being so happy to take their votes of meat and vote LS, like does it change your read on meat?
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On December 01 2014 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 20:42 batsnacks wrote:
What's sad is at least 1 townie is voting lightning. dude you are disgusting.
What's disgusting
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On December 01 2014 21:18 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 21:08 Breshke wrote:On December 01 2014 21:04 rsoultin wrote:
Edit: That was directed at bats in case it wasn't clear.
And thank you for your reads, Breshke. I'm not 100% in agreement with all of it but it does seem very thought out. And yes, it would be very nice for meat to show up and put something in. We've still got over a day though so...there's that. wow you read that fast I don't expect you to agree with all of it im surprised it actually makes sense. Rsoultion I would be voting LS right now but I dont want meats to think there is no pressure on him when he comes back to the thread because he needs to start being towny today. So thinking on that how do you feel about people being so happy to take their votes of meat and vote LS, like does it change your read on meat? I don't have an issue with you keeping to what you think, or keeping the pressure on. Meats not sticking up for himself is a valid point. Only scenario that makes sense to me with meat actually as mafia is if scum team was convinced one or the other (LS or meat) was bound to be lynched today so made a gamble. As for if all the votes swing? It's a little harder to judge when we've already been talking about it, since scum team knows why I held out to begin with. But it's early to get worried, I think. You, SL and HTS are my main town reads and Oats' moves have always seemed logical regardless of his possible alignment. Logic lies in scum trying to win quickly over slowly. Only reason to buss is if they don't think they have better options, especially when everyone but me was on meat. Can't really claim that means you were town later.
How much do you think votes at the very very start of the day matter though? Those votes are bound to change and stuff but i still see what you are saying.
I'm feeling a lot better about this game because I am now fairly sure rsoultin is town and if anyone disagrees they should say so we can discuss it.
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SL justify your shit pleae
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On December 01 2014 22:25 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +I had a quick read of Ls filter and realized he didn't make a single read on day 1 and voted dicksmash not because he thought he was scum but because rsoultin reassured him it was a very low chance to hit a power role. After this first day he talks more about being scared which fits is more excuses for him not making or pushing reads which is scummy in my eyes. I did make a couple of posts of my reads Day 1 and here is proof. 1. Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 25 2014 13:00 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back from playing Pokemon Trading Card game with some friends and went to a late dinner at Red Robin so sorry about my activity T_T
Breshke just seems to be mad at sicklucker for what happened in our previous game :O
Batsnacks lost his mind or he is scum trying to go after kush but kush didn't post anything just yet so I don't got a read on kush.
Oatsmaster is town in my eyes as he is being very constructive on the agenda for Day 1.
Are we allow to sleep on anyday because I remember in my last game we had slept for 1 day and I wondering if we are allowed to becausee personally I don't think Day 1 lynching is a good idea because of possible afks or just having horrible reads. What else do you think? And whos scum? Show nested quote +I think Trfel is just a new town player because his post although giving answers to why he scum reading HTS. Also he followed up to clarify his post thoughts from his previous post from Page 10 and is trying to give a good reason for his reads. HTS seems null as his actions seems questionable on his post about Breske and sicklucker policy lynching but he also said he was new to TL mafia so maybe it just his lack of experience in TL mafia just showing up now. rsoultin seems to be scum as his posts were not much content but then again it was our very first day of the game so the reads not be good at the moment as he posted very little. 2. Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia). You can't say I didn't do reads Day 1.
Point one the only read you made was trefel town which was fairly obvious.
Point two is a lsit with hardly any justification.
The fact being you didn't vote dicksmash because you thought he was scum did you? you voted him because people said voting no lynch was a bad option.
Also SL if you want to ping people out for not mentioning people why hasn't LS mentioned Bats in his point 2 above. it was the only player he has left out. i agree with oats while mafia can tend to not make reads on eachother town can just as easily have nothing to say on someone or just forget.
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Bats you realise LS will be lynched here. You dont want this to happen yet you wont say anything to try convince people otherwise. Explain how this is ever a good play for someone who is town to do
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On December 01 2014 20:42 batsnacks wrote:
What's sad is at least 1 townie is voting lightning.
Also this post worry's me bats.
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"Youre all bad vote meat"
Im sure that will convince a lot of people.
Rsoultin and others on LS what do you think of meatpudding coming back to the thread just to say he will vote LS to save his life then define what hammer means but not actually try to find scum or say why he shouldn't be lynched? Does he even think LS is scum? we are one of lylo if he doesn't want to be lynched he should be pushing for someone he thinks is scum not the opposite wagon.
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