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I don't see a question, and I can't tell you how to scum read because this is the first game of mafia I've played where the players are serious. The other ones I've played everyone just jokes and votes with a few scattered reads lol.
I can tell you what I've been looking for as a noob?
1. People who aren't consistent. You ask them a question and it doesn't match up with their previous posts.
2. People dodging questions entirely even after they're asked multiple times.
3. People who breeze in, post some, then disappear again.
4. People who seem to be posting a lot yet I can't remember what they actually said, because that means their posts had no new or significant substance to them.
The vets could probably give you a better rundown than me. But if you have a reason to suspect someone, voice it if you're town. It can't hurt. Maybe someone else can take it and run with it, or explain why that reason isn't a good one. Keeping it to yourself won't win for town. Can't win if you don't try.
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First off lol >< I do have to apologize to you meat. I was wrong. I must have looked at your filter five times and still screwed up the timestamp on your posts. You did post the question about a read on HTS a half hour before your Marry/Bang/Kill post, so that's my bad.
November 25 2014 17:58
On November 26 2014 08:58 rsoultin wrote:Gonna help you out here, SL. rsoultin. Spell the name right, bro. Now I know you want to push Breske for pushing you in the beginning, and I didn't jump on that bandwagon. But I'll concede that you may be town and just bad at this whole let's set a trap thing. (I mean, really, what were you expecting out of that?) It doesn't seem like a mafia move just cause it's too stupid. So I won't push you, bro.  On a sidenote, where is the meatpudding? He was all gungho yesterday, talking about all his spare time...
November 25, 2014 18:18
On November 26 2014 09:18 meatpudding wrote:
Ok, here's where I stand right now. If you're name's not on the list then consider it a null read for the time being.
Marry
Breshke
Bang
HTS
Trfel
Kill
Damdred
sicklucker
Before that you had made your short post.
November 25, 2014 17:37
On November 26 2014 08:37 meatpudding wrote:
HTS, do you have any read on kush?
For some reason I confused the timestamp with the one on this post:
November 24, 2014 18:11
On November 25 2014 09:11 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 08:41 meatpudding wrote:On November 25 2014 08:36 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 08:27 meatpudding wrote:
Student mafia, eh.... Did you know? Sperm whales have the largest brain of any animal. Cool stuff what do you think of the couple things that have been posted so far I have my eye on sicklucker. Not really sure what he's up to but I expect he's fishing for reads. I would like to see what he comes up with by end of day. Otherwise I'm marking it as suspicious. I know its not much posted so far but is there anyone else you are looking at or hinking about? Not really. Breshke and HtS look like they're trying to reason their way through the game. You're asking lots of questions which is good. Not enough info for me to put you on by bang list. On November 25 2014 08:39 meatpudding wrote:On November 25 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
imo day ones are stupid. I never take too much info out of day one but I do try to get some and start the game rolling I try to take charge as town. Im certainly not going to vote breske because of it , this is the kind of thing you look back at when you have more information. Kind of agree with your day one idea. Not to say that it's stupid, but it takes some time to make a decent read. On November 25 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2014 07:26 Half the Sky wrote:On November 25 2014 07:23 Breshke wrote:On November 25 2014 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
boring im town again afk Looks like we found our d1 lynch already ##Vote: Sicklucker Are you voting him down because he's serious and just trolling or because you're a baddie trying to lynch a good guy? Granted this is my first ever TLM game so you probably know this lad more than I do...just saying. I can read that either way. This is pretty townie. This got me at least one slight town read Anyone could have said this. It's not uncommon to have a policy lynch on lurkers. I don't know why you would come out and say that it looks town. Unless you're going to say that it's a meta-play and you're trying to judge Breshke on his reaction to you saying he's town, but then you could say that everything is a play and you wouldn't have to be held to anything you said.Anyway on the topic of policy, I wouldn't necessarily lynch all lurkers on day 1. Only if there was no reasonable candidate scum lynch. Could you alk more about the bolded and where lurker lynch/policy lynch came from. Maybe I could explain the bolded part a bit better. sicklucker opens by saying he's going to afk. I guess he was fishing for a reaction from someone and Breshke jumps in and votes, because an afk town is essentially useless. (Though I would usually let the modkill go through). Now sicklucker isn't playing afk at all, he seems to be poking and fishing around for responses. Could be ok, or could be suspicious. I think it was way too early to give a town read for that just based on Breshke's response. Really easy for anyone to make that call. Now, since sicklucker backflipped on the afk deal, maybe he is just saying Breshke is town, and fishing for more info, or maybe he really is posting that as a read. If it's a genuine read, I don't really think it's justified based on that small interaction. If it's fishing, then I can't really trust any of his reads because he can use that excuse to drop false information. Actually on first read I thought he was saying that Breshke's vote was townie, but now it looks like he was saying HtS's defense was townie. Hm, maybe it's not so bad. Would like to hear whar sicklucker is really thinking now. Often in other games players have put forward a Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policy. I don't really agree with these but I was wondering if anyone else follows policy votes. Also in other games we have posted our reads in Marry/Bang/Kill format. I'll be doing that once some more people have posted.
So no, you did not suddenly start posting when I asked where you were. That is my bad. And you were right about posting 30 minutes before. All that leaves in terms of why I was questioning you was the unexplained time gap of almost 24 hrs between the last post linked above and the request for a read on HTS. I thought you were avoiding the question, but I was asking it wrong because I'm a dolt. Could you explain that gap please?
If you can, I no longer have any issues with you, especially if you remain active now. Meh I need to learn to timestamp better.
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Got a link? I'm not but I'd still like to see your map, lol. Some friends are.
And yeah the shitstorm had me very grumpy. That and probably jet lag, but I'm going to pretend it was all them yup. Bats switched his vote to Oats right before kush came in. Inclined to follow suit on that vote with you, meatpudding. Yet another non-post by Kush.
Most I've seen from him was his helping to push Dicks with Damdred.
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bats is still reading neutral for me. I call him on discrepancies, and he gets defensive and says he doesn't care or it doesn't matter. the discrepancies themselves usually don't, but that he's contradicting himself so often...null read imo, at least for now
kush, though...you're right that it's very odd he hasn't been in the spotlight more. people jumping on damdred left and right for the dicks push but not kush, who was also pretty heavily involved? (and involved in practically nothing else, for that matter)
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<b>##unvote meatpudding
##vote kushm4sta</b>
Not reading meat as town yet. Consider it probation. But dropping him to null, slight-scum read. Onto bigger and better fish.
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##unvote meatpudding
##vote kushm4sta
Yet another coding fail. -_-
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Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.
Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)
less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?
that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats
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...much as it's flattering that y'all are using my points lol I probably have the least experience of anyone. Please don't make that your go-to/primary reference for this game ^^;;;. It was meant more as a launching point for lightning if lightning's reason for the passive play really was that he had no idea how to begin to go about scum-hunting (which frankly, that sounds fishy, so I was trying to remove his excuses).
That said...if I understand you correctly, Oats, you're saying that the primary reason you don't think kush is scum is because he's not making the effort to not look like scum? Is that right? Your vote of HTS looks pretty reactionary (though I don't remember your 3 scum reads to be honest, so he might have already been reading scum to you), and frankly yes, I do not want to lynch town, with 2 already dead, but if kush is town why does he care so little? He doesn't seem like he's been trying at all the entire game. (Thanksgiving holiday I could take for the latter part, but the whole time?)
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Not sure I agree with you on kush, Oats, but I can understand why you'd come to those conclusions.
Now why are you after HTS?
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So from one quarter (Oats) over-explaining the vote change, and from another quarter (Damdred) a reason can't be found.
Damdred, I've still got a bone to pick with you. Your initial argument with SL, you scum-read HTS practically right out the gate without an explanation. Care to enlighten me?
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That I'd buy if SL had actually said that. It took him three (plus) times of saying it was just a slight initial read leaning toward town for you to pay attention and accept that he wasn't crawling into bed with HTS (and dude, first time he mentioned it that's exactly what he said slight). Just seems very weird there Damdred for you to pick that bone to worry at, and finally accept it after he said the same thing he'd been saying.
Is wishy-washy unusual right out the starting gate?
Is SL reading scum to you for any reason but that?
Is HTS for that matter?
Otherwise, the circular reasoning is staggering. HTS is scum because SL is scum because HTS is scum? Lol. Dangerous way to look at things, that.
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Okay, kush. I get you haven't been around, and yes there is way too much shit here to read. I get that. Maybe just read what's been written since the day started? I'd like to hear what you think. What everyone does, honestly.
Oats...what bugs me about you is I can't follow your logic a lot. That might be a fault with me just being slow in the head, but, eh...I will say though that as far as kush is concerned although he's been an almost non-entity since the beginning and his reads are weak, mr. passive over there is a better lynch for not contributing anything.
I'm still stuck on his trying to push a no-lynch on day 1. Yeah, we hit town. Okay. But I feel that the no-lynch option is better reserved for end game and watching what people are doing with the vote is too valuable to discard. Seems scummy.
Also this I played too aggressive last game so I'm not this game seems reasonable on the surface, but as vanilla town, what do you lose getting lynched? Yeah, you don't want to, cause that hurts your team and it's annoying to get lynched when you're innocent. Got that. However he's willing to basically not play at all in exchange? Doesn't take any experience at all to realize you don't win as town without probing for scum.
I'm shelving you for now, kush. Oats hasn't convinced me, but lightning is a better lynch imo. Especially if he's changed how he plays so dramatically and keeps using last game as his excuse for trying to hide in a corner. Scum hides. I didn't get too aggressive with him earlier cause I thought he might possibly have a town role again (which he seemed to be hinting at, an especially bad move while playing rabbit)...
##unvote kush
##vote lightningstrike
Sorry dude. Just don't buy this helpless scared act from you. Was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but...that's done now.
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No, I haven't. I won't. I don't meta-play. Maybe that's a mistake on my part, but I go by how people are playing now. And I go with logic (which also might be a mistake because not everyone plays logically).
However all you have to lose ls is you get lynched. If you're vanilla town that might help mafia win, but you have no role. If we all played like you no one would ever be lynched (not entirely true cause we'd all get mod-killed, but what, random voting based on nothing but instinct?) and we'd just be picked off one by one by mafia.
The point is you have no reason to be too scared to play. Plain and simple. No matter what happened last game. This is a game, you're not really going to die lol.
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I too am reluctant to point the finger at Hopeless when he just took over for an AFK player who was taken out by the mod. Unless you saw something scummy from slam's filter (I didn't, but I'm not perfect by any stretch)?
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What's your case on meat, ls?
That Oats likes meat for it? Cause to me that is about as weak as it gets, if that's all you've got.
Damdred you're ignoring me. You shouldn't be ignoring me. Makes me cry. More to the point, ignoring me and not others to argue around in circles rather than answering a new question...This is not the first time you've dodged questions from me.
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That is true, kush, on hopeless. I'll give you that. Don't think it's the best lynch to pursue at this time, but it's worth keeping an eye on for sure.
All town roles are dead, kush, and there were no town RBers. The first point is possible, but that doesn't explain why Breshke, just why his claiming being blocked could be a scum move. Weak by itself.
I'm also not getting the reactionary HTS scum reads that keep coming here. New to the game, but I'm not a dumb person generally, so this is making me itch like crazy right now.
Well, I'm no vet like you Damdred, but I know I was slow to get into the mix because I don't like pushing "scum" reads without something stronger to go off of. So what you're telling me is you think it's HTS for other reasons and because of the early supposed "town read" from sl, if HTS flips that's where you're looking. I'd buy it if sl played like he wasn't rabid lol.
Though that does make me wonder where the rabid jumping bean sl has gotten off to. You're one of my favorite town reads, buddy (oh noes damdred will think i'm scum now) even if I think you're completely insane and probably the worst player in the game to blindly sheep heh.
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Brought me off topic? I asked him the questions that had me reading him as scum. AFK alone is not enough for me for a scum read with so many other targets. He answered them enough for me. (the map isn't off-topic, I was checking his alibi )
Read filters ls. He mentioned early in the game that where he's played before they use Marry/Bang/Kill lists, and not answering questions could have been because he was typing up his reasoning for the list after using the list as a placeholder. He did answer. And there was no reason for him not to answer that question lol I'd be more concerned if it took him forever to explain his justifications for his list than what the titles meant.
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Okay, Damdred. I'll accept those as decent reasons, even if your initial scum read and the sheer aggression in pursuing it still bugs me.
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Nah, it's cool. I didn't come out and say that was what I was doing. But yeah he brought it up as an alibi when I was questioning him, so that entire thing was instigated by me, not him.
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I haven't seen anything from bats, breshke or sicklucker in awhile...think they just haven't been online recently.
And yes, I'm pushing LS. I can see reasons to push kush but I'm seeing what he comes up with first. Same with Hopeless. The case against bats is mostly superficial imo. Don't agree with Oats on kush however...I see no reason whatsoever not to push ls. -shrugs-
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