EPTOn November 27 2014 15:47 Breshke wrote:
Yeah I believe you makes sense.
Do you think anything slam has done this game is alignment indicative?
Yeah I believe you makes sense.
Do you think anything slam has done this game is alignment indicative?
Not directed at me, I know, but I've been going back through the thread...without the pressure of voting it's making a bit more sense than when I first read the posts. I would not vote Alakaslam anymore. Here's why:
Biggest problem with him is that he poofed. Still, he was responsible about it. Kept the vote to the vote train instead of voting something that would change the course of the game when he hadn't really been in it.
On November 27 2014 06:33 Alakaslam wrote:
##Vote: Alakaslam
I have been very busy and got a voting reminder.
IF SELF VOTING IS NOT OK:
##vote: DSMIC as that is the largest wagon.
I am really ill informed due to being out of thread so long. I should be able to pick it up soon
##Vote: Alakaslam
I have been very busy and got a voting reminder.
IF SELF VOTING IS NOT OK:
##vote: DSMIC as that is the largest wagon.
I am really ill informed due to being out of thread so long. I should be able to pick it up soon
Alakaslam did not joke vote. All the random names (shop talk is what I'd call it, because those of us new to the game have little hope of understanding it easily) threw me off. But he said he voted Breshke for joke voting, not that he was joke voting.
On November 25 2014 11:39 Alakaslam wrote:
You see not with the eyes of chupazi. I will translate.
I want town to tell me why I voted Breshke for what was obviously a joke.
*GASP* That is so dry it probably won't work now!
or maybe it will? I still want y'all to do it! consider it fellow student homework.
You see not with the eyes of chupazi. I will translate.
I want town to tell me why I voted Breshke for what was obviously a joke.
*GASP* That is so dry it probably won't work now!
or maybe it will? I still want y'all to do it! consider it fellow student homework.
Then, as soon as someone mentions that sicklucker laid a "trap" (which, was first called that by Damdred, though I don't think that sicklucker ever actually said that this was what it was?) Alakaslam removes his vote, accompanied by the following post:
On November 25 2014 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:
ah thank you.
Oh he did this intentionally?
hiiiiiiiiiijole.
Well he is like Kenpachi then; a not so great player...
##Unvote
Anyway here is the teaching moment.
Kenpachi is a dude who graced TLMafia a while back. He used meta as a tool.
The nice thing about newbie/vet games is you have this mix of meta and originality, when someone uses meta as a tool it is more apparent and the newbie is "left out of the loop" but is perhaps more likely to find out what is stupid about that particular meta.
For example, some people like RVS- Random Voting Stage (hello smashboards -_-)
WHY?
Yet me challenging RVS got me instantly disliked over there.
What (crap I forget his name) noticed there was someone doing a random vote.
And he pointed something awesome out: When you cut it to the bone, you can see that stupid crap like RVS can only really help scum by muddling motivations and intentions readability in a particular post.
Sure it keeps town honest too, (how many times have I seen town say "It's just a joke, seriously") (How many times do I joke!?!? lol) but ultimately taking "it was just a joke" away as an easy excuse for a telling post is better than leaving it.
sure, it will always be doable. THat is the nature of wifom. BUt as town to minimize this is awesome, and here by newness we are presented an opportunity to do so.
ah thank you.
Oh he did this intentionally?
hiiiiiiiiiijole.
Well he is like Kenpachi then; a not so great player...
##Unvote
Anyway here is the teaching moment.
Kenpachi is a dude who graced TLMafia a while back. He used meta as a tool.
The nice thing about newbie/vet games is you have this mix of meta and originality, when someone uses meta as a tool it is more apparent and the newbie is "left out of the loop" but is perhaps more likely to find out what is stupid about that particular meta.
For example, some people like RVS- Random Voting Stage (hello smashboards -_-)
WHY?
Yet me challenging RVS got me instantly disliked over there.
What (crap I forget his name) noticed there was someone doing a random vote.
And he pointed something awesome out: When you cut it to the bone, you can see that stupid crap like RVS can only really help scum by muddling motivations and intentions readability in a particular post.
Sure it keeps town honest too, (how many times have I seen town say "It's just a joke, seriously") (How many times do I joke!?!? lol) but ultimately taking "it was just a joke" away as an easy excuse for a telling post is better than leaving it.
sure, it will always be doable. THat is the nature of wifom. BUt as town to minimize this is awesome, and here by newness we are presented an opportunity to do so.
Seems pretty clear by the above that Alakaslam is trying to say, in a very narrative style, that town is benefitted most by players who are playing straightforward. I.e. not joking, random voting, worrying about meta when in some later game they might be mafia, etc. Seems like a pretty townie take on things to me, but then, I hate moves based on meta, too, so I'm probably biased.
He also probed Batsnacks for a simple read on HTS rather than the ramble that Batsnacks initially gave where he nitpicked something about baddies or whatever as TMI but then said it didn't seem like anything after all.
On November 25 2014 12:05 Alakaslam wrote:
... BATSNACKS!
Now say in one sentence your read on him plz.
Because if you can't condense it does it actually exist?
... BATSNACKS!
Now say in one sentence your read on him plz.
Because if you can't condense it does it actually exist?
And didn't immediately dismiss Batsnacks' vote on Kush to try to force him to vote, instead asking for clarification as to what Batsnacks was doing that.
On November 25 2014 12:20 Alakaslam wrote:
It is real, and not actually baseless.
Hmm.
So do you know the context there? I don't.
Bats care to enlighten me or did he leave?
It is real, and not actually baseless.
Hmm.
So do you know the context there? I don't.
Bats care to enlighten me or did he leave?
Also, he defended the people who hadn't posted in the thread yet after the game had just started.
On November 25 2014 12:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Of course some folks haven't posted; game just started a few hours ago.
Of course some folks haven't posted; game just started a few hours ago.
Conclusion: I'm seeing nothing scummy here. Alakaslam is in my town pile.
Still reading through the rest of the thread, but some things have caught my eye. I do not understand Damdred's obsession with HTS in the beginning of the game. He initially attributed it to just trying to push sicklucker for why he was reading HTS as slightly town, but got very aggressive about it and declared a scum read that I never saw an explanation for. (Granted I've only finished combing through page 10 at this time.) All I saw was the following comment that possibly maybe half-explained it by saying that HTSs comment wasn't necessarily town and so could be scum:
On November 25 2014 08:35 Damdred wrote:
Usually votes within the first page are pressure votes especially when you say hey i'm town going to afk. Of course you need to be back in the thread.
But look at the post that you are slightly town reading sky for, hes not defending you at all hes look at motives for bresh slightly without any real pressure. Half of it won't get any answer and then he discredits himself with the last sentence slightly . So not sur ei'm seeing what you are unless you are just looking to give people town reads for no reason
Usually votes within the first page are pressure votes especially when you say hey i'm town going to afk. Of course you need to be back in the thread.
But look at the post that you are slightly town reading sky for, hes not defending you at all hes look at motives for bresh slightly without any real pressure. Half of it won't get any answer and then he discredits himself with the last sentence slightly . So not sur ei'm seeing what you are unless you are just looking to give people town reads for no reason
I don't understand why this would turn into a scum read, so @Damdred...
Where are you getting your scum read from? Why HTS of all people to go after so quickly?
And @Batsnacks...got anything better than the fact HTS actually stated goodies and baddies in his post when asking Breshke why he voted sicklucker right out the gate?
That said, still reading Breshke and sicklucker as town. Both of what you two were doing at the start of game makes sense to me, but got muddied by some of the aggressive playing from other quarters.
