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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 13:47 GMT
#1754
Think you're right HTS. I have the feeling meat isn't scum, however that is based mostly on what I see happening and not what I see from meat. So I think you're right to still be uncomfortable with him.

A bats lynch doubles as being very scummy anyway and giving us a good idea where to go next, depending on how he flips.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 14:11 GMT
#1758
Because I seem to be the dissenter in this game more often than not, I'll just keep with it lol.

Bats ->scum
Oats
Hopeless

Bats ->town
Hopeless
Meat

Because I'm paranoid. Or it's a gut feeling. Whatever you prefer.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 14:14 GMT
#1760
Bm? I am really behind on the acronyms thrown out lately.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 14:34 GMT
#1763
Not meat anymore bats? What changed your mind?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 14:39 GMT
#1766
Why?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 15:04 GMT
#1771
On December 03 2014 23:50 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 23:39 rsoultin wrote:
Why?


Pretty much what oats said.

Lynching meat is cool too though because knowing his alignment pretty much solves the game. If meat is scum, we hit scum, which is awesome. If meat is town, it means scum voted meat yesterday.


Okay. So you agree with Oats that meat probably isn't scum then?

I'd just skip the whole voting meat thing, personally, if that's the case. Verifying what we believe we already know seems pointless unless lynching based on the assumption that meat probably isn't scum turns up town instead.

Hopeless isn't a bad lynch. No one is arguing that, I think. But I don't know what new information we could get from a scum hopeless. New information is important, and just lurking isn't enough if you have other options. Just my opinion. I know that you can't really argue much else, though, since you're trying to get out of being lynched. Which isn't alignment indicative. But if you do have reads...something we're not seeing...always willing to listen.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 16:29 GMT
#1788
On December 04 2014 00:22 batsnacks wrote:
I'm not really worried about being lynched tbf. If I get lynched before hopeless it won't be because of mistakes I made. And once hopeless flips mafia I think you'll have an easier time believing I'm town.



I agree with this statement. I would think it odd for you and hopeless both to be mafia, though I think I've said that before. So do you have any reads other than a lurker hopeless and a maybe but probably not meat?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 16:38 GMT
#1790
On December 04 2014 01:13 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
If meat is scum it is useless yeah.

if meat is town its still pretty useless, only town really changed.
Basically breshke.



If meat is town aren't both scum voting him? Maybe not 100% but isn't that more likely? I would like to think that I made it easy to vote meat if someone wanted to.


And normally I'd agree with this, except I'm almost 100% certain of HTS. If he's not town he did a good job fooling the rest of us lol or at the very least a good job fooling me. That leaves you and hopeless, which I already said is possible...but unlikely. It seems more likely that we have a mafia on LS and a mafia on meat. That was what led me to oats in the first place, not because he's been particularly scummy, imo, but because he's not a town read for me yet and he should be by now. Only other option I see is breshke because of the late change, but he had every opportunity of shifting the vote back and didn't, and he was taking the lead on the scum search the entire day with his probing.

If either HTS or Breshke are scum, they've played really well, because I don't suspect them at all, and this late in the game it's pretty easy to find reasons to suspect people I would think.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 16:39 GMT
#1791
On December 04 2014 01:33 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 01:29 rsoultin wrote:
On December 04 2014 00:22 batsnacks wrote:
I'm not really worried about being lynched tbf. If I get lynched before hopeless it won't be because of mistakes I made. And once hopeless flips mafia I think you'll have an easier time believing I'm town.



I agree with this statement. I would think it odd for you and hopeless both to be mafia, though I think I've said that before. So do you have any reads other than a lurker hopeless and a maybe but probably not meat?


I have lots of reads. "maybe but probably not" is not an accurate way to paraphrase what I said about meat.


Okay. You said you agreed with Oats on meat, and didn't Oats say that he didn't think it was meat?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 16:48 GMT
#1793
Okay, fair enough.

So you think meat and hopeless are scum then, but think hopeless is the better lynch because you agree with what oats said about hopeless lurking?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 17:58 GMT
#1796
Howso?

I mean, I can see a world with meat being bussed right out the starting gate, and hopeless not taking advantage of bussing ls for the cred simply because he is AFK. I can see that being a thing.

But ls, meat and hopeless as scum...all AFK/lurkers? It's possible, I suppose, just seems only slightly more likely than both you and hopeless being scum. I could get the AFK/lurkiness while town is squabbling, but with two scum up for lynch you'd think someone would do something to save their team.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 18:32 GMT
#1798
I don't know lol. It seems weird that they'd give up completely though. They still had all three of their players. Can at least attempt something to try to throw suspicion off the third. Hopeless' haphazard question of SL notwithstanding (if he's talking to his scum team or paying attention to the thread at all, he'd know that would be laughed at).

That's the weird part for me. I know it's harder to hide when 1 out of every 3 players is scum, but there was so much confusion and finger-pointing at the end of Day 2 that I don't understand why a buss attempt at all. Can argue that hopeless saw the train and jumped on, thinking it inevitable. Or that so many agreeing on a meat lynch before the day started convinced them. But take me. People weren't feeling good about me at all and I still was able to make a case for LS that people listened to. There's nothing inevitable when you have six townies who are more or less uncertain of most of the other townies, right?

Regardless, policy lynching over a scum read seems like a good way to get burned.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 20:34 GMT
#1802
Can't speak for HTS, but any evidence at all that Hopeless is more than just a policy lynch would put your case on firmer ground for me. As long as I think the chances of you two both being scum is slim and you're my only strong scum read it's kind of a no-brainer.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 21:33 GMT
#1806
Lol, SL. That is definitely concise. xP My version of concise.

LS resisted voting when you were leading the lynch votes.
LS stated you were scum, then suddenly started sheeping you with no explanation other than you "made sense".
Your editing portions out of my posts then claiming that I was contradicting myself during EoD2.
Threatening HTS with lynching if he didn't switch his votes.
Declaring him townie then switching your stance to possibly mafia after I pointed out that HTS and I logically were the same alignment.
Calling out Damdred's death before he died.
Your general refusal to answer questions clarifying your stances on things. Example: Why LS is a bad lynch even if he's mafia.
Trolling and insults rather than expressing alternative views.
Your general absence yesterday. (You have been increasingly absent throughout the game.)
The way the game has gone decreasing likely scum to you, Hopeless, meat and Oats.

Every one of these can probably be explained, but the aggregate comes out very scummy.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 22:22 GMT
#1830
On December 04 2014 06:54 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 06:33 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, SL. That is definitely concise. xP My version of concise.

LS resisted voting when you were leading the lynch votes.
LS stated you were scum, then suddenly started sheeping you with no explanation other than you "made sense".
Your editing portions out of my posts then claiming that I was contradicting myself during EoD2.
Threatening HTS with lynching if he didn't switch his votes.
Declaring him townie then switching your stance to possibly mafia after I pointed out that HTS and I logically were the same alignment.
Calling out Damdred's death before he died.
Your general refusal to answer questions clarifying your stances on things. Example: Why LS is a bad lynch even if he's mafia.
Trolling and insults rather than expressing alternative views.
Your general absence yesterday. (You have been increasingly absent throughout the game.)
The way the game has gone decreasing likely scum to you, Hopeless, meat and Oats.

Every one of these can probably be explained, but the aggregate comes out very scummy.


Only like 1 of those things is actually scummy, the rest is stuff you don't understand/don't like.



Oh, my bad. You're so right. I'll just vote hopeless now, lol.

##vote Batsnacks
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 22:33 GMT
#1834
Your defense was just that I don't understand you. Since I still don't understand you, I'm not sure why you're surprised lol @bats.

Meat and Oats, huh? Okay.

You know what I find scummy about that? The most likely person to be scum with Meat is probably me. I mean, I'm the one who derailed that lynch and moved it to LS, who was the biggest anti-meat proponent from Day 2. If I can see that why hasn't it been brought up? Do you just think you can't get me lynched?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 22:37 GMT
#1837
Night HTS
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 22:41 GMT
#1840
More seriously, bats, I don't actually want to mislynch you and I know I'm biased, so would you please explain why you think meat and oats are in cahoots?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 22:44 GMT
#1843
You know that meat and oats aren't scum. But how does that clear oats of being scum entirely? I guess is the question I should have asked.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 03 2014 22:47 GMT
#1845
Which assumes that no scum is bussing. Which by default means that if meat flips town we should assume you and hopeless are scum?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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