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I will /in correctly when I get home.
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pre-game excuses: I do not have access to TL while at work, so if I'm working I will only be able to play 2-3 hours in the evening max. Thankfully this coincides with the deadline so at least I'm able to be around when it counts. My schedule (this week) is Friday to Tuesday.
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On November 19 2014 03:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2014 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 19 2014 02:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
pre-game excuses: I do not have access to TL while at work, so if I'm working I will only be able to play 2-3 hours in the evening max. Thankfully this coincides with the deadline so at least I'm able to be around when it counts. My schedule (this week) is Friday to Tuesday.
I have the opposite problem because of 7am deadline.  Get up at 6:55 and ninja vote lol
more like 6:45, have to draw a couple options up just in case.
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is that an iceberg or a water monster?
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On November 20 2014 13:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
It's a boat
i was referring to chezinus post on last page.
and now we have a very special snowflake to decipher...
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VE colored me green, I see no reason to comment further.
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On November 20 2014 15:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
And yo, Chez is the one with the case on you Hopeless. Gotta respond to him. I just agree with him.
lol wut. there is no case, there's me seeing a ridiculous picture and wondering "what the fuck?"
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On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? Is that going to help you get a read on Chez?
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town.
I think you are overjustifying way too hard.
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On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez? Not really.
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town. "Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit.
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On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:26 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:22 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:17 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
So my first instinct when I want to appear active as mafia is to just get in the thread and comment on something - ANYTHING. Like, it doesn't even have to be important, it just has to be a random comment about something happening in the thread.
On November 20 2014 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Does anyone want reasoning? I'm like itching to give some, but I want someone to either ask or guess what it is. ![[image loading]](http://www.alanzosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/skeptical-baby.jpg) Cute. Do you think I'm mafia? If yes, then where's your vote? If no, then what's the problem? well according to yourself you're playing your mafia meta, and i should trust you as you are a reliable source when it comes to yourself. You didn't answer the question. Are you mafia ritoky? you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite. and nope. I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play. There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first. claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is. you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours. This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky? and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted.
Why do you say I overreacted?
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In what way does my response CHANGE what VE did?
"Contentless throwaway"
3 posts within the first hour of the game...yeah okay. Totes scumread.
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On November 20 2014 15:52 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:26 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:22 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
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Cute. Do you think I'm mafia? If yes, then where's your vote? If no, then what's the problem? well according to yourself you're playing your mafia meta, and i should trust you as you are a reliable source when it comes to yourself. You didn't answer the question. Are you mafia ritoky? you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite. and nope. I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play. There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first. claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is. you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours. This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky? and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted. Why do you say I overreacted? Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez? Not really. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town. "Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit. bolded part is a massive overreaction to someone calling you scum for a shaky reason at best 1 hour in. to me overreactions imply a person has something to hide.
He took an already shaky premise and twisted the word "we" into a scumread. That is fucking ludicrous and I will not stand for it.
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On November 20 2014 15:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:53 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:52 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:26 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
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You didn't answer the question.
Are you mafia ritoky? you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite. and nope. I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play. There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first. claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is. you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours. This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky? and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted. Why do you say I overreacted? On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez? Not really. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town. "Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit. bolded part is a massive overreaction to someone calling you scum for a shaky reason at best 1 hour in. to me overreactions imply a person has something to hide. He took an already shaky premise and twisted the word "we" into a scumread. That is fucking ludicrous and I will not stand for it. then advance the game in a more positive direction rather than just sitting there whining about it and being defensive?
that falls in the OMGUS VE category.
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I could conceive of you being mafia VE. self-meta holds little to no weight with me.
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Rayn, would you use words like "consistent" and "reasonable" to describe VE this game?
Sicklucker, do you have any comment on VE's CONTENT, as opposed to his filter length?
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liancourt when are you going to stop playing "douchebag meta". Or should be just lynch you like you want us to?
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what is it that you'd like to see HF?
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On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions
I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie.
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On November 21 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. had to post this... lol you don't even know why i think he is mafia.
which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare.
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On November 21 2014 01:33 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. had to post this... lol you don't even know why i think he is mafia. which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare. Hopeless can you show me why you think templars post looks townie ?
No, because now I'll be defending him before rayn even makes a case.
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On November 21 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote:On November 21 2014 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. had to post this... lol you don't even know why i think he is mafia. which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare. So you are claiming scum? Why is my case bad? You called it bad now tell me why is it bad. .... I have no idea how you can even reach conclusions sometimes I think you just add the words "you are claiming scum" and "you are town" to your posts sometimes just to mess with people where is your case?? I am waiting for Hopeless to answer first because apparently he knows what my case is.
I never claimed to know what your case is. I said your read on Templar looks bad, because I read Templar town for the same post. Neither of us have given an explanation. You said you would first.
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On November 21 2014 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote:On November 21 2014 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 00:19 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 20 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wwhy the fuck would being absolute be scummy?
i must be mafia in every game then.... are you dense or some shit? read the thread No u. I know exactly what ve has said and there is nothing scummy in it. So either you are twisting the facts which makes you mafia, or maybe you should read the thread... Or maybe you just went insane. Idk yet. But we should still kill templar. I'll explain when i get off work and then you can all sheep me and i can be confirmed town. On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.
ritoky i am the king of vague statements. If I am saying that VE's logic doesn't actually make someone mafia etc etc and he's saying it does and I'm mafia for not seeing that and here you are defending ve's logic saying there's nothing scummy with it (thereby nothing wrong with it at all) how come you aren't scum reading hopeless at all!? either you: 1) Agree with ve and then you would be scum reading hopeless (you already said you don't think what ve did was scummy) or 2) you disagree with ve saying that hopeless is scummy and therefore agree with ME if the answer is number 2 then your post means nothing and is actually discrediting me for no reason because you aren't reading the thread, if your answer is number 1 then there's something wrong with your mindset because you don't scum read hopeless in your read post and you are probably mafia That is not the point Holyflare. My point is you called out VE's logic before you gave Hopeless a chance to defend himself (or overreact/scumtell whatever if he is mafia) against VE. At the time you at least must assume there is a chance that VE is town and Hopeless is mafia. Unless you had a really strong townread on Hopeless (which you didn't) you do not shut down cases on him, regardless of how good/bad the case is. It is just retarded (just like answering to questions asked from other people -- you know what i am talking about) and i don't really get why did you do that in the first place because i KNOW you think what i just said is a fact. That's why i called you weird. Now you seem to be having a scumread on Hopeless. Cool. Now why the hell are you fixated in VE??? You called his actions scummy but you do not think it makes him mafia. Fuck, let it go then if it does not make him mafia. What's the point???? You know VE, he "doesn't negotiate with terrorists" and i can't understand what are you possibly trying to achieve treating like you do -- from town perspective. It just doesn't make sense because he'll shut down towards you and you will at each other and if you are both town then fuck this game because it's gonna be ruined. That's my 2c on you, and if possible i'd like you to explain your actions i was talking about. Give me the town motivation because i do not see it. Also yes, i think Hopeless is quite possibly scum for his latest posts. When he got back to the thread i got the same impression you posted. I don't/didn't think VE had a good case. In fact i kinda liked how Hopeless answered the case. Oh yeah that's the third thing. Why was Hopeless' response to the case bad (that's why you think he is scum, right)? This is most assuredly NOT what happened and means you have read nothing of the interaction. VE's scum read on me is that i said his logic was bad WHILE saying hopeless' reaction was scummy. I can call out more than one person even if they are calling out each other because a) bussing is a major thing that's happening each game and b) my read on hopeless was weak and ve's push looked scummy I am not sure you understand what i was talking about in the part you colored red. I was talking about the fact that VE made a case on Hopeless. You called the case bad before Hopeless answered it. right?
HF's read on me is based entirely on my answering VE's case. wtf rayn. Also, your timeline picture is wrong on templar. He literally links the post "this post is based on". Its the one directly before his own.
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On November 21 2014 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you literally gave Hopeless an out against VE's argument (the QT thing) without any reason.
The reason was VE's argument was bad. Shitty example: It'd be like me saying "GB says the sky is green". Do you need to wait for GB to come in and tell you I lied? p.s. wheres GB
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On November 21 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote:
HOpeless rayn has posed his case will ou please answer me now?
Templar isnt deadset on scumreading VE, he's just pointing out a bunch of things that show VE to be inconsistent. He's not really pushing an agenda, and I agree with basically everything he posted. Scum dont make that kind of post, they either call VE scum or pressure or do something. Templar just drops it at the end like he couldnt care less.
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On November 21 2014 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also the fact that Templar's vote is on liancourt (who is almost definitely town) and him asking Holyflare if he reads him scum or not doesn't really help him.
So Hopeless, when you read Templar's post do you get the feeling he actually thinks VE is mafia?
He has suspicions of VE, I don't think he has a strong scumread.
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On November 21 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote:
HOpeless rayn has posed his case will ou please answer me now? Templar isnt deadset on scumreading VE, he's just pointing out a bunch of things that show VE to be inconsistent. He's not really pushing an agenda, and I agree with basically everything he posted. Scum dont make that kind of post, they either call VE scum or pressure or do something. Templar just drops it at the end like he couldnt care less.
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On November 21 2014 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:29 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote:
HOpeless rayn has posed his case will ou please answer me now? Templar isnt deadset on scumreading VE, he's just pointing out a bunch of things that show VE to be inconsistent. He's not really pushing an agenda, and I agree with basically everything he posted. Scum dont make that kind of post, they either call VE scum or pressure or do something. Templar just drops it at the end like he couldnt care less. Incorrect. The bolded is a thing most scum do. They don't wanna call anyone scum. They wanna "contribute" without pissing off anyone.
Not calling anyone scum is a thing most scum WANT to do, very few of them have the balls to DO it while appearing like they are contributing.
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On November 21 2014 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi
I'm drunk
I haven't read the thread
Talk to me.
first question..what time is it where you are?
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On November 21 2014 02:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Hopeless, I'm waiting for your follow up. You question was aimless enough to make me have a scum lean on you.
You're just like VE. I think rayn is town but I disagree with him about VE and Templar. Can you be of assistance?
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rayn whats your read on chez based on?
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Damdred, I answered you. What are your thoughts?
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On November 21 2014 02:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 02:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Hopeless, I'm waiting for your follow up. You question was aimless enough to make me have a scum lean on you. You're just like VE. I think rayn is town but I disagree with him about VE and Templar. Can you be of assistance? No, because, as I said, I haven't read the thread yet and I have no idea. What answer did you expect when you made that question to me?
I expect you to read the thread and if you are so inclined, answer my question after you've done so.
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Its like rayn and HF swapped places from FFL2
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absolutely riveting VE. anything new with your reads?
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where is my filter linked? i dont see that
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really dislike sicklucker
"VE totally believes what he's saying"
"I have no idea what VE said or why he said it"
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On November 21 2014 03:31 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 03:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
where is my filter linked? i dont see that If you go to the first page with the player list. Click on anyone's name to see theirs.
VE said that Chez linked my filter somewhere, I dont see that in Chez's filter.
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On November 21 2014 03:32 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 03:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
really dislike sicklucker
"VE totally believes what he's saying"
"I have no idea what VE said or why he said it" Those aren't exclusive.
How does he know that VE has something to believe then? There's a disconnect there.
On November 21 2014 03:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 03:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Its like rayn and HF swapped places from FFL2 So you're saying you think I'm mafia now...?
moreso than rayn, definitely. More than VE, I'm on the fence.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2NKzBa6.jpg)
"Wow look at that great post, that guy is totes town"
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On November 21 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. So what's changed?
You being (deliberately[?]) dense about what rayn was talking about re: VE citing QT posts. You're generally on top of things and have a good memory on who said what.
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On November 21 2014 03:42 sicklucker wrote:
I didnt say the second one, I just said your convo was hard to follow and full of meta I didnt understand. It didnt help two of your names started with Ho and I didnt play with any of you before.
I can still read people and see if they believe what their typing.
Also he claimed veggie. Mafia dont claim veggie on day 1....
You didnt literally say "the second one", but when you call Chezinu's vote a pre-game troll, it implies it. VE's read on me is directly based on my questioning Chezinu's pictures. In some way you could say VE's read is because of Chezinu, but you claim chez has done nothing. Theres a gap in reasoning here.
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On November 21 2014 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: In fact it was the one before the last one, Titanic III where i had to argue for about 10 pages because Holyflare didn't remember Vivax' posts.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that related more to timelines as opposed to content?
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going to bed soon.
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On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already This is the worst reason not to move. Paint not so hard. Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less. Srsly you make me want to switch to you Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin? His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new. He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town? So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly? Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz. I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating. He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads. But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other.
GB can you expand on this? i feel confused.
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On November 22 2014 08:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:50 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already This is the worst reason not to move. Paint not so hard. Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less. Srsly you make me want to switch to you Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin? His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new. He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town? So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly? Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz. I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating. He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone. I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads. But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other. you don't think anything of HF leaving his vote on a town read all phase instead of using it to pressure people and indicate who he wants to lynch? Yes, I've pointed it out before. I admit HF is acting weirdly. But well, so is VE and so is Rayn. I am extremely confused on who to lynch between these. But they are three of the most vocal people in the game. I think it's okay to let Themis and reevaluate them on later days. What is very dumb thing to do is to let scummy lurkers live. We won't have enough information on them.
as opposed to towny lurkers? again, can you expand on the who and why's here?
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On November 22 2014 08:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:58 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
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This is the worst reason not to move.
Paint not so hard.
Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.
Srsly you make me want to switch to you Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin? His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new. He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town? So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly? Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz. I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating. He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads. But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other. GB can you expand on this? i feel confused. (Why on red?) I'm on the phone so I won't quote the games, but: FFL2 mafia: he claims scum the entire game. He was town. Hearthstone mafia: he shows logical thinking and seriousness. He was mafia. that's not enough data It's enough to understand he is null atm
not playing is still scummy. chezinu also falls in this category.
VE you around?
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On November 22 2014 08:09 KillerSOS wrote:+ Show Spoiler +but seriously guys, do we have any sort of plan going into Day 2? I don't see any organization =/
also this guy.
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On November 22 2014 09:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 08:53 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:50 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
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This is the worst reason not to move.
Paint not so hard.
Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.
Srsly you make me want to switch to you Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin? His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new. He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town? So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly? Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz. I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating. He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone. I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads. But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other. you don't think anything of HF leaving his vote on a town read all phase instead of using it to pressure people and indicate who he wants to lynch? Yes, I've pointed it out before. I admit HF is acting weirdly. But well, so is VE and so is Rayn. I am extremely confused on who to lynch between these. But they are three of the most vocal people in the game. I think it's okay to let Themis and reevaluate them on later days. What is very dumb thing to do is to let scummy lurkers live. We won't have enough information on them. as opposed to towny lurkers? again, can you expand on the who and why's here? Well, town lurkers are most likely to be busy but when they come to the thread they post genuine content. Mafia lurkers tend to come to the thread, throw random comments, sheep and goes into lurkage again.
Who?
followed by
Why?
I want player names not platitudes
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On November 22 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list
Q.
Is liancourt a "lurker"?
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On November 22 2014 09:07 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list Q. Is liancourt a "lurker"? I say no because he's not reading the thread either
Like I agree with GB where lian is null/towny based on 2-3 games of shitty meta, but "not playing" should be forcibly discouraged.
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On November 22 2014 09:08 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list Q. Is liancourt a "lurker"? Yes, he is. He is also giving me a null read. I know where you're trying to lead your logic to
He is barely giving reads at all, I refuse to believe you consider his content "genuine"
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On November 22 2014 09:09 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list Q. Is liancourt a "lurker"? yes but nothing like KSOS
hence my vote. I still gravely dislike liancourt.
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On November 22 2014 09:14 KillerSOS wrote:
I was lurking because I had my final paper due for appellate advocacy this evening, I have my life back now
you had your life back 3 hours ago according to timestamps.
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templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?
mine is:
killer
lian
ve
chez
damred
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ugh i dont like having a reason to scumread ve hf and rayn. makes the game so much harder.
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On November 22 2014 10:55 Holyflare wrote:
what's the reason broooo
you're all really bad this game.
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On November 22 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:57 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 10:51 Holyflare wrote:
I think you should all just sheep me onto hopeless though that would be very cool Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs But why hopeless over killersos because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together. Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE.
Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable.
On November 22 2014 11:04 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?
mine is:
killer
lian
ve
chez
damred why is chez 4th and killer 1st? aren't they basically the exact same person at this point? good observation. I would vote cheeze sammich too
Chez didnt make excuses, say he'd be free at some given time and then fail to produce content.
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On November 22 2014 11:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 10:57 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 10:51 Holyflare wrote:
I think you should all just sheep me onto hopeless though that would be very cool Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs But why hopeless over killersos because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together. Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE. Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable. On November 22 2014 11:04 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 22 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?
mine is:
killer
lian
ve
chez
damred why is chez 4th and killer 1st? aren't they basically the exact same person at this point? good observation. I would vote cheeze sammich too Chez didnt make excuses, say he'd be free at some given time and then fail to produce content. 1) because it is your read, you think he is scum, and the point of town is to lynch scum? why isn't it your responsibility to pursue your top scum read? do you not want to lynch scum? 2) your chez read is a pile of shit and you know it. the guy has posted 0 words in the thread, has no reads, and hasn't posted in 36 hrs; yet you deem him more town and more useful and town than an antagonistic asshole, VE who has the 2nd largest filter, and killer who idk wtf he is doing. like it is a dumpster tier read. the metrics by which you put killer as your top scum read apply to chez the same.
Chez literally has not posted words in thread, including pregame. The metrics for scumreading killer are far more conclusive/definable than the ones for scumreading chez.
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On November 22 2014 11:30 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 11:11 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 10:57 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 10:51 Holyflare wrote:
I think you should all just sheep me onto hopeless though that would be very cool Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs But why hopeless over killersos because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together. Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE. Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable. On November 22 2014 11:04 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 22 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?
mine is:
killer
lian
ve
chez
damred why is chez 4th and killer 1st? aren't they basically the exact same person at this point? good observation. I would vote cheeze sammich too Chez didnt make excuses, say he'd be free at some given time and then fail to produce content. 1) because it is your read, you think he is scum, and the point of town is to lynch scum? why isn't it your responsibility to pursue your top scum read? do you not want to lynch scum? 2) your chez read is a pile of shit and you know it. the guy has posted 0 words in the thread, has no reads, and hasn't posted in 36 hrs; yet you deem him more town and more useful and town than an antagonistic asshole, VE who has the 2nd largest filter, and killer who idk wtf he is doing. like it is a dumpster tier read. the metrics by which you put killer as your top scum read apply to chez the same. Chez literally has not posted words in thread, including pregame. The metrics for scumreading killer are far more conclusive/definable than the ones for scumreading chez. your first post on why you voted killer was because he was a lurker as is seen here: Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:10 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 09:09 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 09:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list Q. Is liancourt a "lurker"? yes but nothing like KSOS hence my vote. I still gravely dislike liancourt. the rest of your justification has come after the fact, as if you are trying to further rationalize a vote. however, if your primary purpose for voting him was he was a lurker, then chez should have been #1 or #2 with him, and he wasn't. hence why it is a dumpster read.
you're a dumpster
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wait this is ms paint mafai
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/f5XlxzX.jpg)
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On November 22 2014 11:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
ugh i dont like having a reason to scumread ve hf and rayn. makes the game so much harder. Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:59 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 10:55 Holyflare wrote:
what's the reason broooo you're all really bad this game. Like you say this but you haven't really outlined why we're all really scummy at all??? You town read rayn earlier you town read me (although less at some point because i was lazy) and ve..? Dunno really. You don't say anything about any of us.
i cba anymore, too angry to care today. Lynch a lurker, i dont care which one.
VE, where did chez link my filter?
when's damdred getting back?
Did sicklucker ever comment on VE's content like I asked?
When is KillerSoS going to do anything. Or Lian. Or Chez.
On November 22 2014 11:43 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:41 sicklucker wrote:
I just realized rayn might get mod killed because he went to bed without doing a paint. Is that a thing that can really happen? Man, you're ignoring the whole discussion in the thread. I'm starting to wonder if you are too scum to be scum.
p.s. rayn paint-voted thetemplar with his timeliney post
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On November 21 2014 12:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
If you haven't voted, you have to vote.
If you haven't put up a non-voting paint pic, you have to do so.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2014 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote:I woke up and read the thread but I'm so confused now. I see your scum reads but I actually do not understand why anyone looks scummy at all for the first three hours. Pretty much entirely neutral reads save maybe one or two in that time period, maybe I should read it again. Pre-post edit: I read the last few pages in reverse order and it mostly made sense. Hmm. This post is being made using information up to this post.VE looks suspicious to me. Disclaimer: I am a terrible player On November 20 2014 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare knows that me being sure of my reads doesn't make me scum. He knows this. I can't fathom why he'd call me scummy if he's town. I literally can't. Because, in some games of mafia, people use slightly different logic and games turn out differently than others! Woah! On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly. So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off? On November 20 2014 17:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 17:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not you, I don't 100% commit to my reads that easily I'm not 100% committed to my read. LMAO On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. Which of these is the lie? Also On November 20 2014 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not even dealing in absolutes. On November 20 2014 16:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 16:38 Alakaslam wrote:
VE what about hopeless1der He's probably still mafia. But HF first. Because he's a danger to town. Hopeless is just a danger of being annoyingly defensive. HF will lead you into oblivion. On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I know that these posts are an hour apart, but I don't think you can say someone is probably mafia but predict they will flip town. On November 20 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez drew a picture of me <3
Chez top town FOR LIFE!!!!!! This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler. On November 20 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Post 100 in this quicktopic proves that Hopeless CAN NOT think I'm mafia here for thinking he's mafia because he's seen me play this game THIS WAY RECENTLY. It's true that the circumstances are a little different, I had replaced into that game and there was a lot of stuff to draw from in the thread - the salient point though is that I found a mafia for what may SEEM to be shaky reasoning IMMEDIATELY and pushed on it hard against one of the louder voices in the thread. IMMEDIATELY. He knows this is how I play as town, and now he would have you believe that he thinks I'm mafia. Don't believe his lies. I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds. Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent. Three things in this post: 1) This is the most damning thing. He has read the thread. I don't care if it's backwards or upside down. Still he makes a case based on not the whole thread!! Why? It doesn't make any sense. He even says "the last pages make more sense", but hey, still a case based on stuff that didn't make sense (earlier).. It's like making a case without actually making a case -- which is scummy. "Let's see if someone pushes this i can always back down if needed" (notice he doesn't even commit to his case -- no vote, no further pressure on VE). 2) Excuses. "I am bad do not listen to me". Basic stuff. Townies want to be listened. Mafia want to hide. I don't think this needs any explanation. 3) "Yo i don't have time to read other stuff now gotta do X". Don't care what you need to do because noone asked. Again, excuses before even being accused. Also compare this with #1. "I have read the thread but i don't have time to focus on other stuff (than VE) now. Why would he need to focus on other stuff if VE is mafia? He's got a fucking case he just wrote!! If he thinks VE is mafia he (1) doesn't need to focus on anything else and (2) needs to vote. Did he actually think VE is mafia? 
rayn is not being modkilled (yet)
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On November 22 2014 11:48 Holyflare wrote:
Angry about what? You call me bad and then when i point out something you did that was scummy you tried to flip it around onto me and asking why i didn't do your work for you
being repeatedly called scum is draining. Maybe angry's the wrong word but my general attitude atm is "fuck this"
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i'll be back like a half hour before deadline ish.
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back. seems like little has happened. VE showed up and then left, which is awesome.
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Unofficial vote count:
(3)hopeless1der: Holyflare, VisceraEyes, ritoky
(4)KillerSOS: The_Templar, Hopeless1der, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
(1)Liancourt: KillerSOS
(2)The_Templar: Liancourt, raynpelikoneet
(3)sicklucker: Fecalfeast, Chezinu, Damdred
(1)Damdred: sicklucker
*Votes recorded in filter order from OP, not time posted in thread
**All players have paint-voted
+ Show Spoiler +On November 22 2014 10:55 Holyflare wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QtAhxfW.png) On November 22 2014 11:56 The_Templar wrote:OK, I'm back *checks Killer$O$'s filter*  ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/52IT8M4.png) On November 22 2014 01:40 KillerSOS wrote:Oh I see I lost a day of my life somewhere, I blame law school. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QHQQsGa.png?1) Lian because his initial post was a simple picture of "Mafia" and his post quality since has been less than stellar (calling yourself mafia is either super meta or just a great way to kill lynched) On November 20 2014 19:00 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iE9jphg.png) On November 22 2014 09:08 Hopeless1der wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vIXfYvd.jpg) On November 21 2014 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote:I woke up and read the thread but I'm so confused now. I see your scum reads but I actually do not understand why anyone looks scummy at all for the first three hours. Pretty much entirely neutral reads save maybe one or two in that time period, maybe I should read it again. Pre-post edit: I read the last few pages in reverse order and it mostly made sense. Hmm. This post is being made using information up to this post.VE looks suspicious to me. Disclaimer: I am a terrible player On November 20 2014 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare knows that me being sure of my reads doesn't make me scum. He knows this. I can't fathom why he'd call me scummy if he's town. I literally can't. Because, in some games of mafia, people use slightly different logic and games turn out differently than others! Woah! On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly. So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off? On November 20 2014 17:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 17:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not you, I don't 100% commit to my reads that easily I'm not 100% committed to my read. LMAO On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. Which of these is the lie? Also On November 20 2014 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not even dealing in absolutes. On November 20 2014 16:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 16:38 Alakaslam wrote:
VE what about hopeless1der He's probably still mafia. But HF first. Because he's a danger to town. Hopeless is just a danger of being annoyingly defensive. HF will lead you into oblivion. On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I know that these posts are an hour apart, but I don't think you can say someone is probably mafia but predict they will flip town. On November 20 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez drew a picture of me <3
Chez top town FOR LIFE!!!!!! This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler. On November 20 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Post 100 in this quicktopic proves that Hopeless CAN NOT think I'm mafia here for thinking he's mafia because he's seen me play this game THIS WAY RECENTLY. It's true that the circumstances are a little different, I had replaced into that game and there was a lot of stuff to draw from in the thread - the salient point though is that I found a mafia for what may SEEM to be shaky reasoning IMMEDIATELY and pushed on it hard against one of the louder voices in the thread. IMMEDIATELY. He knows this is how I play as town, and now he would have you believe that he thinks I'm mafia. Don't believe his lies. I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds. Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent. Three things in this post: 1) This is the most damning thing. He has read the thread. I don't care if it's backwards or upside down. Still he makes a case based on not the whole thread!! Why? It doesn't make any sense. He even says "the last pages make more sense", but hey, still a case based on stuff that didn't make sense (earlier).. It's like making a case without actually making a case -- which is scummy. "Let's see if someone pushes this i can always back down if needed" (notice he doesn't even commit to his case -- no vote, no further pressure on VE). 2) Excuses. "I am bad do not listen to me". Basic stuff. Townies want to be listened. Mafia want to hide. I don't think this needs any explanation. 3) "Yo i don't have time to read other stuff now gotta do X". Don't care what you need to do because noone asked. Again, excuses before even being accused. Also compare this with #1. "I have read the thread but i don't have time to focus on other stuff (than VE) now. Why would he need to focus on other stuff if VE is mafia? He's got a fucking case he just wrote!! If he thinks VE is mafia he (1) doesn't need to focus on anything else and (2) needs to vote. Did he actually think VE is mafia? On November 22 2014 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CS8PbUP.png?1) On November 22 2014 11:55 Fecalfeast wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/15MJN87.png) On November 22 2014 09:52 sicklucker wrote:I was just cleaning a toilet thinking of how awesome it would be to switch my vote to damdred. Then I saw this awesome defensive post. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uAknO2J.png) On November 22 2014 10:21 GlowingBear wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MSMyl4v.png) On November 21 2014 05:14 Chezinu wrote: On November 22 2014 12:36 Damdred wrote:![[image loading]](http://i60.tinypic.com/2nqv4vp.png) On November 22 2014 11:36 ritoky wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/a60b2780e304026defdaf0e66c7b2f62.png) On November 22 2014 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pRZkVac.png)
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On November 22 2014 13:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
hmmmmm do I really want to switch to hopeless?
yeah, lynch the only other person in the thread at deadline. good plan.
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On November 22 2014 13:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
how is activity at deadline alignment indicative?
usually it wouldnt be...this game I'd like to believe it counts for something. Like I get needing to sleep for the Euro's, but wtf no one else is around?
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Killer NEVER returned as promised, chez posted his vote yesterday, so did lian, neither have done a goddamn thing today.
HF says "sheep me I'm god". Rayn says "sheep me I'm god". VE sheeps...
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On November 22 2014 20:32 Holyflare wrote:no you fucked up you are voting hopeless, nothing you say is relevant anymore you have lost your opinion in this game until you sheep me correctly
No, YOU fucked up, all day long. I will not be lynched this game. I'll be back after work. In the meantime I want to know why VE basically ninja voted me without pushing anything.
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On November 22 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote:
hopeless literally used him being around at deadline as a reason to not vote him, in order to save himself, even though he said pre-game that he'd be around only at deadlines anyway
that's not towny
I'm sorry, I was salty that I was one of the few who gave a shit to be around at deadline
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"Didn't want to lynch our blue role"
WHAT THE FUCK HOW DO YOU KNOW HE WAS BLUE?
My "best" information is flawed because you're pushing a towny and have a reputation for leading scum lynches Day 1.
I returned to thread, commented that I was back, made a vote count and wondered why no one was around.
Going to work now, out of cell range soon.
p.s. VE is my top scum.
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On November 22 2014 20:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 20:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
"Didn't want to lynch our blue role"
WHAT THE FUCK HOW DO YOU KNOW HE WAS BLUE?
My "best" information is flawed because you're pushing a towny and have a reputation for leading scum lynches Day 1.
I returned to thread, commented that I was back, made a vote count and wondered why no one was around.
Going to work now, out of cell range soon.
p.s. VE is my top scum. because he flipped blue it's not flawed if you are town at all, people defaulted to a lurker lynch instead of a case that in any other game would be instantly sheeped
Rayn am I stupid for thinking HF bringing up killers role is scmum?
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On November 21 2014 02:44 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 02:41 The_Templar wrote:On November 21 2014 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 02:25 The_Templar wrote:
Rayn, I said that I didn't understand the thread at first and it only made any sense if I read it backwards.
I have lots of excuses for being a bad player because, surprise, I am a bad player. We can't all be as good as you are.
I linked that post because I wrote for a long time and I expected more activity Also this: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes? Like VE just claims town everywhere and your case becomes really bad? I don't know Rayn, it was 4am Of course you know. You wrote the thing in question. thrawn is the only one who can use the "idk" excuse and he has 2/3 strikes already. Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.
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On November 22 2014 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 21:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 20:57 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 20:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
"Didn't want to lynch our blue role"
WHAT THE FUCK HOW DO YOU KNOW HE WAS BLUE?
My "best" information is flawed because you're pushing a towny and have a reputation for leading scum lynches Day 1.
I returned to thread, commented that I was back, made a vote count and wondered why no one was around.
Going to work now, out of cell range soon.
p.s. VE is my top scum. because he flipped blue it's not flawed if you are town at all, people defaulted to a lurker lynch instead of a case that in any other game would be instantly sheeped Rayn am I stupid for thinking HF bringing up killers role is scmum? idk. why don't you ask Holyflare what difference does it make instead of yelling HOW DID YOU KNOW HE WAS BLUE? He is using a flipped blue to further bury me. It's feels similar to what he said about VE using QTs to call me scum and that he's just burying me with inconsequential shit.
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So Killer was a bad lynch? Afk into excuses into ptomises into afk? Really?
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And I don't think I ever said HF should have been on killer, but he should not be on my case because I'm town and that is why he is bad.
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I'll look into it when I have time, but the lynch was too close and I want to see who voted when and at what point the wagons started
No one gave a shit at deadline so to me that means all 3 voteleavote leaders are town.
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Pretty much out of range now. Later.
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On December 01 2014 13:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah watching VE be wrong over and over is always amusing.
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