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On November 22 2014 14:48 liancourt wrote:
i even played scummy as fuck
i even lurked on the second day
do u know what this means?
I'm town because mafia (temp, hopeless) had votes on me but switched to killer.
Temp had votes on me at the beginning saying he was willing to switch to ve and thought that I was town and not playing the game. LOL Did he switch to ve? Nope. A pressure vote to make me play LOL Excuses Excuses No reason why I am scummy. Trying to look like he's actually doing something.
Hopeless came in at some weird ass time and randomly votes me with absolutely no reason at all. Then proceeds to switch votes to killer. LOL What was that all about? It's like your just sheeping temp for some reason. Are you playing the game or are you just playing sheep the vet game? Both scum.
Except I sort of did.
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On November 22 2014 20:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ the fact that he straight out lied to me after just calling ve mafia for lying...
I most certainly did not.
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On November 22 2014 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare, it makes perfect sense fot hopeless and templar to be mafia. I actually think it's quite possible because they started the train on killersos when they were both quite viably to get lynched. I believe there has to be at least 1 scum in them and if it was only one, why would the mafia there not sheep me\you onto the other? You, like i, know 100% sure we are not both mafia so the scumdude in them COULD, and probably would sheep me ot you, just because it is what we would want. Get what i am saying?
My problem however becomes next. Let's say we are both right and they are both mafia (which is really likely). The other people on killer were (based on last official votecount) gb and slam. Both of which are scummy as fuck. All scum voted for same target on d1? No fucking hell. Where are we wrong?
Could SL be scum? Damdred? And which one of gb\slam is town? Or both?
I voted VE. Then KillerSOS came in, hopeless pointed him out. So they were definitely not both scum. KillerSOS tells us that he has his life back now, but does nothing for a while. So after waiting a few minutes, hopeless votes him. Meanwhile, I try to pressure him into playing the game as he promised, but he never responded. So, I should have switched back to VE or onto hopeless, as my general policy is to not lynch lurkers, but I made a mistake there.
On November 22 2014 21:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
So Killer was a bad lynch? Afk into excuses into ptomises into afk? Really? Basically what I was thinking.
I read hopeless yesterday very briefly and he looked a little mafia and a little town. Between KillerSOS and him, I preferred lynching KillerSOS.
And be honest, killerSOS could have been anything and he probably would have given up the way he did.
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On November 22 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is literally what happened:
rayn: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes?
Templar: I don't know Rayn, it was 4am
rayn: Of course you know. You wrote the thing in question.
Templar: Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.
How can you possibly argue you are not lying in either the first response or in the second one?
Yes, I made up a stupid response because you said something stupid. I told you I didn't know and you weren't satisfied with it, so I pleased your huge ego and confidence in people to remember everything they do.
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On November 22 2014 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But i thought you thought you are a bad player and therefore the best play for you is to sheep your top townread (Holyflare) instead of voting a null read?
I didn't agree with Holyflare even though he was my top town read.
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On November 22 2014 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is literally what happened:
rayn: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes?
Templar: I don't know Rayn, it was 4am
rayn: Of course you know. You wrote the thing in question.
Templar: Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.
How can you possibly argue you are not lying in either the first response or in the second one? Yes, I made up a stupid response because you said something stupid. I told you I didn't know and you weren't satisfied with it, so I pleased your huge ego and confidence in people to remember everything they do. So yes, you lied. You lied in a place no townie should lie. Therefore you are mafia.
Would you rather argue for 4 hours, which would "prove" I'm mafia anyway?
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On November 22 2014 22:27 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2014 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is literally what happened:
rayn: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes?
Templar: I don't know Rayn, it was 4am
rayn: Of course you know. You wrote the thing in question.
Templar: Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.
How can you possibly argue you are not lying in either the first response or in the second one? Yes, I made up a stupid response because you said something stupid. I told you I didn't know and you weren't satisfied with it, so I pleased your huge ego and confidence in people to remember everything they do. So yes, you lied. You lied in a place no townie should lie. Therefore you are mafia. Would you rather argue for 4 hours, which would "prove" I'm mafia anyway?
Because I really didn't remember and I was never going to convince you of that. Lying was forced
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On November 22 2014 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not gonna argue with you about anything because i don't need to convince you you are mafia.
I just showed out other people why you are mafia.
No rayn, you were going to argue with me. It was very obvious that you were trying to argue with me for no real reason and I didn't want that.
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On November 22 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like seriously, can't you people see it?
Templar thinks i might be mafia. Yet he has to lie to me to convince me of something because otherwise it's impossible.
Do you really think I was trying to convince you? If I wanted to, I would have argued for four hours instead.
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On November 22 2014 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you need to convince me you are telling the truth if i am mafia? Of course i am gonna call you shit if i am mafia and you are town, regardless of what you say. You already treated me as town when you claimed you don't know what to think, if i am town or mafia!!!
Because I don't KNOW that you are mafia. I didn't even read you as mafia.
Bolded: I actually can not find this at all. I think you turned something I said into something else
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Yes, I'm going to look at a game where you were mafia. I didn't need to right away though...
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On November 22 2014 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 22:47 The_Templar wrote:
Yes, I'm going to look at a game where you were mafia. I didn't need to right away though... Right. You didn't. If you don't wanna actually find mafia (as you hadn't found any, except for VE lol) you sure didn't.
Exactly what was I going to find? Some amazing, never before seen trend in your posting that immediately outed you as a mafia in this game?
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- First vote for your null read over your scumread
Which I made very clear was a pressure vote.
+ Show Spoiler +- Then you did shit on me because you thought it was funny
Not seeing this, sorry.
- Then you voted for VE, yes, but you never did anything to convince anyone to follow you
I made a pretty thorough case on him and maintained my opinion. How does everyone ignoring me make me mafia?
- Then you voted for another null-read over another null-read (which you considered as lynch candidates) who was pushed by your top town read while stating before that you consider yourself a bad player (which would make more sense in -> if you have to pick between two null-reads you sheep your town read who ACTUALLY is a good player, not to mention his target is pushing the null read you end up lynching)..... 
I didn't sheep my town read because I didn't agree with him. I don't see why that's a huge issue.
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On November 22 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 22:54 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2014 22:47 The_Templar wrote:
Yes, I'm going to look at a game where you were mafia. I didn't need to right away though... Right. You didn't. If you don't wanna actually find mafia (as you hadn't found any, except for VE lol) you sure didn't. Exactly what was I going to find? Some amazing, never before seen trend in your posting that immediately outed you as a mafia in this game? So you don't believe you are gonna find anything yet before you claimed you're gonna look at my past games because it helps you figure out my alignment?
It helps, but it doesn't prove anything.
Why are you turning everything I say into an absolute, Rayn?
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On November 22 2014 22:58 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2014 22:54 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2014 22:47 The_Templar wrote:
Yes, I'm going to look at a game where you were mafia. I didn't need to right away though... Right. You didn't. If you don't wanna actually find mafia (as you hadn't found any, except for VE lol) you sure didn't. Exactly what was I going to find? Some amazing, never before seen trend in your posting that immediately outed you as a mafia in this game? So you don't believe you are gonna find anything yet before you claimed you're gonna look at my past games because it helps you figure out my alignment? It helps, but it doesn't prove anything. Why are you turning everything I say into an absolute, Rayn?
Seriously, I said I wasn't going to find anything that would tip the vote all the way to you. I did not say I was not going to find anything; obviously if I wasn't I would not bother to look.
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The point of the game is not to pressure people.
It's to lynch mafia.
Didn't realize I'd be lynching mafia halfway into the day.
gosh. I find it impossible to believe you think this is how the game of mafia is played.
Like if noone listens to you you just sit around and cry in the corner because "boohoo my posts are not being read"?!?!?
For the record you stated, IN YOUR FIRST POST, "i am terrible" which translates directly into "don't listen to me".
Literally, it does. So what do you expect? You tell people not to listen to you then you blame them for not listening to you? haha.
What planet do you live on where this is an absolute? I intended people to consider my reads before blindly agreeing/disagreeing with me, I am not going to say "ignore me" in my opening post.
If you are town you have to admit there is a possibility someone else is right and you are wrong. Because you cannot be right every time otherwise you are the best mafia player of all times. Which you claimed you aren't. So in case you have to decide who to vote on between two null-reads you have two possibilities:
1) Trust your top town read who you think is a good scumhunter and generally a good player, very experienced
2) Trust the (1)'s lynchtarget and vote with him
Why do I have to agree with either of them? I lynched based on MY OWN OPINION.
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Looked through 5-6 of Rayn's previous games. I feel like he acts more certain about his reads as town than as mafia, and uses information from them in his other posts in an attempt to solve the game as quickly as possible, so he could be town here, based on these posts.
On November 21 2014 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 06:16 Damdred wrote:On November 21 2014 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 06:00 Damdred wrote:
I'd have to look but I said aggressive style which a titanic game we played fits the bill rayn.
You always have a meh read on me on d1 hf but i shitposted in that game and tried to "protect" marv/HF as long as i could. i didn't post anything, i just posted a shitton and almost all of the people read me as town and then some fucking dumb vigi (who also read me as town but "didn't like me") shot me. so no, there is nothing like this game. in Titanic IV i posted absolutely 0 analysis on anything. Yes I would agree with you overall but you were still reasonably aggressive, which is what SL is townreading you on being aggressive. I think its null from you and not worth town reading you on content is your key I think but i found mafia. everyone remember this post and lynch (shoot) damdred when i lynch templar and he flips scum.
My problem with this is that he never pushes Damdred any further despite this post.
On November 22 2014 19:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk. Maybe hopeless and templar are both scum.
Just shoot into them tonight.
Holyflare can you look at emplar. He:
-wrote a case and voted for his townread instead
-is more interested in what other people think of him rather than scumhunting
-as you said on hopeless, templar does not follow up with his shit
-definitely not trying to figure out who is mafia despite having 10 null reads
On November 22 2014 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
..unless you're both scum.
like now, you are pointing out stuff that's really fucking scummy on Templar.
You cannot have missed it before because when HF asked you instantly pointed that out.
But still you townread him. herpderp.
I haven't seen him do this in games he was scum.
On November 22 2014 23:41 GlowingBear wrote:You're going to die tonight
Why?
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On November 23 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:
The vigi will probably shoot him
Why won't the vig shoot me?
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On November 23 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 00:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:
The vigi will probably shoot him Why won't the vig shoot me? I bet the vigi won't shoot you. He has no motive to do so.
Several people read me as scum right now. If the vig is one of them, why wouldn't he shoot me?
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On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads.
You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all.
You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct,
On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia.
You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important?
On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying
"Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong."
This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not.
His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point.
When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet.
On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now
Here's what I read.
"I'm busy excuse excuse.
A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people.
I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town."
Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this.
He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL.
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