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On November 23 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 18:23 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And holyflare...
He one of the strongest -- if not the strongest -- player in this game. Despite being around nearly all time (especially on EOD) he didn't do shit to actully push any lynch. He's used most of his time arguing agaist me and ve, both of which he thinks are town.
That's mafiaplay. If you don't think i was pushing hopeless then you need some help. There is nothing BUT a hopeless lynch tomorrow that I will push. Slam is actually very likely mafia for sheeping vets all game and not caring but then when I say I'm sure, like VERY VERY SURE that hopeless is mafia slam decided it wasn't good to sheep me despite calling me town all game. GB is scummy for not sheeping me even though he agreed with my hopeless read and then sleeping with his vote on our VET despite me telling him multiple times that his vote was bad and I even explained why a hopeless lynch would be better. I am also absolutely never lynching lian this game. Sheeping vets?!?!? Call me scummy for leading this lynch with hopeless, not for sheeping vets. It's like you are not even actually reading me and forming opinions on me from a different game (because I usually DO sheep vets, just not when they all do nothing but fight each other!) because when I DONT sheep, but rather LEAD a lynch, this is what happens! Did nobody notice I was leading this Lynch?
Yes, but Hopeless noticed it first. No, I don't think you were sheeping a vet with your KillerSOS vote. However, you immediately sheeped a veteran when you returned by voting me before reading.
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On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredShow nested quote +On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL.
Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy.
Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case.
To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing.
I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing...
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On November 22 2014 19:21 Holyflare wrote:
well I like to work in logic and when someone is stopping analysing the game based on flawed logic I'll comment on it
You actually don't.
You work in pomp, that's about it.
but it works, so if you could do what ritoky was saying?
Kthx
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On November 22 2014 20:32 Holyflare wrote:no you fucked up you are voting hopeless, nothing you say is relevant anymore you have lost your opinion in this game until you sheep me correctly
Dude you replaced GlowingBear for me didn't you?
That is why you thought I was sheeping vets.
Dude read final vote count you could use it.
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yeh i'm quite pompous when I'm onto a read but that's because it's entirely worked out from a logical approach
anyway why comment on this and not what I just said about you?
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On November 23 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
yeh i'm quite pompous when I'm onto a read but that's because it's entirely worked out from a logical approach
anyway why comment on this and not what I just said about you?
Because I am catching up. I will get to whatever you just said.
People from Liancourt to BlazingHand do this now but I invented the practice, (takes a bow)
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On November 22 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote:Two strongest town on strongest wagon; Hence with my return I ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iFfQHku.png)
you sheeped your 2 strongest town reads without even reading the game
On November 22 2014 06:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Slam do you have scumreads or just townreads? Neither really just vet sheeping I play horribly openly.
you openly vet sheeped which is cool even though you didn't have your own reads
then you ditched everything to lynch lurkers because you had no better alternative once I started to draw people off of templar and then completely ignored the hopeless lynch to lynch someone who was just afk and nothing more and hadn't even commented on any of the hopeless stuff at all you just said "i don't see it" even though there is nothing not to see because my case explains everything that he's done that is scummy and there is no "i don't see it" because it IS scummy
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I can't really stay up any longer... Please just look at hopeless' filter page 2 onwards when the game actually starts and then just sheep me
Repeated questions that lead nowhere with no follow up and lots of "what do you think about that person?" and "what about this person?"
Defending peoples thought processes and telling us what scum do (in regards to templars post) but it was actually quite the opposite and weird (he said mafia want to try and not scum read people in their posts which didn't make sense)
Scum read SL for interaction with VE but completely dropped any line of questioning to do with SL and despite scum reading him he doesn't even appear in his scum list. When queried where the read went the super weird response of you should have followed it up for me was given which does not show any kind of town playing in the dark thinking at all
Dismissal of ve, rayn and me but previously had town reads on us (maybe not ve?) when nothing had changed in between.
I'm posting this one last time. I want people that don't have hopeless as their main lynch of choice to tell me WHY these points don't make him scummier than anyone else. I want them to dissect this post and tell me why they disagree with it. I want the people that chose not to sheep me on hopeless but instead lynch our veteran to explain what was wrong with this case and why they chose a guy that wasn't even playing the game over someone who has done only scummy things.
Time to step up slackers.
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On November 22 2014 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 21:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Pretty much out of range now. Later. How convenient....
Thank you Rayn for this WIFOM. It is literally illustrative!
See you folks are coming up with reasons to justify it, but really it boils down to you can't believe I led a more effective lynch than yours, or led you on a lynch that was stupid as puto.
So someone happy (Lian, and why was he happy?!?!? Yet nobody saw it, but it was because he saw my paranoia which was a window of opportunity) FoS me and I had to leave
Which is totes WIFOM but people still act like it is a heuristic.
Couple this with bitterness about our DERP lynch, led by me, versus a possibly good lynch by HF and some very good alt candidates (Lian, SL come to mind) and I am a wonderful scapegoat because "I always sheep vets anyway (and did not deserve the sway to lead this bad lynch)"
Well you are right, RVEHF. BUT IT IS BECAUSE YOU THREE BEHAVED SO BADLY THAT UOU DID NOT DESERVE IT AND CONFUSED EVERYONE AND I HAD TO DO SKMETHING
would you three kiss and make up and work together. Then figure out which of you is scum at lylo.
If none of you does this i will use my undeserved authority to lynch the three of you.
And stop being bitter with me for your own failures. They aren't as bad as mine but mine would have been prevented if it weren't for yours.
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On November 23 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote:Two strongest town on strongest wagon; Hence with my return I you sheeped your 2 strongest town reads without even reading the game Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 06:30 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Slam do you have scumreads or just townreads? Neither really just vet sheeping I play horribly openly. you openly vet sheeped which is cool even though you didn't have your own reads then you ditched everything to lynch lurkers because you had no better alternative once I started to draw people off of templar and then completely ignored the hopeless lynch to lynch someone who was just afk and nothing more and hadn't even commented on any of the hopeless stuff at all you just said "i don't see it" even though there is nothing not to see because my case explains everything that he's done that is scummy and there is no "i don't see it" because it IS scummy
I just said it, but for tl:dr reasons I will specifically state the answer to this part.
That is because you three phuxed up and Deffo have a scum amongst you but since you all h8 each other I can't figure out who.
So I have to trust none of you.
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On November 23 2014 01:42 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote:Two strongest town on strongest wagon; Hence with my return I you sheeped your 2 strongest town reads without even reading the game On November 22 2014 06:30 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Slam do you have scumreads or just townreads? Neither really just vet sheeping I play horribly openly. you openly vet sheeped which is cool even though you didn't have your own reads then you ditched everything to lynch lurkers because you had no better alternative once I started to draw people off of templar and then completely ignored the hopeless lynch to lynch someone who was just afk and nothing more and hadn't even commented on any of the hopeless stuff at all you just said "i don't see it" even though there is nothing not to see because my case explains everything that he's done that is scummy and there is no "i don't see it" because it IS scummy I just said it, but for tl:dr reasons I will specifically state the answer to this part. That is because you three phuxed up and Deffo have a scum amongst you but since you all h8 each other I can't figure out who. So I have to trust none of you.
Absolutely just no wtf is this.
You say why am I arguing with VE when he is doing scummy things. You say I shouldn't question rayn when he's doing scummy things and dismissing everything valid but then you say we should all make up but theres definitely 1 scum between us!?!?!??!?!?! wtf wtf wtf
THEN you say that I FUCKED UP??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Well you are right, RVEHF. BUT IT IS BECAUSE YOU THREE BEHAVED SO BADLY THAT UOU DID NOT DESERVE IT AND CONFUSED EVERYONE AND I HAD TO DO SKMETHING
I made THE BEST case in the game to lynch someone scummy that absolutely nobody followed for no reason at all and nobody sheeped it. Don't tell me I fucked up and confused people when I was the only one trying to drive the lynch into a direction that wasn't on our veteran.
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Slam are you saying people should think you are town because you lead a lynch (which you didn't -- not to mention, on a townie).....????
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On November 23 2014 01:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 01:42 Alakaslam wrote:On November 23 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote:Two strongest town on strongest wagon; Hence with my return I you sheeped your 2 strongest town reads without even reading the game On November 22 2014 06:30 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Slam do you have scumreads or just townreads? Neither really just vet sheeping I play horribly openly. you openly vet sheeped which is cool even though you didn't have your own reads then you ditched everything to lynch lurkers because you had no better alternative once I started to draw people off of templar and then completely ignored the hopeless lynch to lynch someone who was just afk and nothing more and hadn't even commented on any of the hopeless stuff at all you just said "i don't see it" even though there is nothing not to see because my case explains everything that he's done that is scummy and there is no "i don't see it" because it IS scummy I just said it, but for tl:dr reasons I will specifically state the answer to this part. That is because you three phuxed up and Deffo have a scum amongst you but since you all h8 each other I can't figure out who. So I have to trust none of you. Absolutely just no wtf is this. You say why am I arguing with VE when he is doing scummy things. You say I shouldn't question rayn when he's doing scummy things and dismissing everything valid but then you say we should all make up but theres definitely 1 scum between us!?!?!??!?!?! wtf wtf wtf THEN you say that I FUCKED UP?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Show nested quote +Well you are right, RVEHF. BUT IT IS BECAUSE YOU THREE BEHAVED SO BADLY THAT UOU DID NOT DESERVE IT AND CONFUSED EVERYONE AND I HAD TO DO SKMETHING I made THE BEST case in the game to lynch someone scummy that absolutely nobody followed for no reason at all and nobody sheeped it. Don't tell me I fucked up and confused people when I was the only one trying to drive the lynch into a direction that wasn't on our veteran.
lolol this is so good! 
I love you HF. <3
Although i disagree with one thing. I made the best case on d1.
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On November 23 2014 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 01:53 Holyflare wrote:On November 23 2014 01:42 Alakaslam wrote:On November 23 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote:Two strongest town on strongest wagon; Hence with my return I you sheeped your 2 strongest town reads without even reading the game On November 22 2014 06:30 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Slam do you have scumreads or just townreads? Neither really just vet sheeping I play horribly openly. you openly vet sheeped which is cool even though you didn't have your own reads then you ditched everything to lynch lurkers because you had no better alternative once I started to draw people off of templar and then completely ignored the hopeless lynch to lynch someone who was just afk and nothing more and hadn't even commented on any of the hopeless stuff at all you just said "i don't see it" even though there is nothing not to see because my case explains everything that he's done that is scummy and there is no "i don't see it" because it IS scummy I just said it, but for tl:dr reasons I will specifically state the answer to this part. That is because you three phuxed up and Deffo have a scum amongst you but since you all h8 each other I can't figure out who. So I have to trust none of you. Absolutely just no wtf is this. You say why am I arguing with VE when he is doing scummy things. You say I shouldn't question rayn when he's doing scummy things and dismissing everything valid but then you say we should all make up but theres definitely 1 scum between us!?!?!??!?!?! wtf wtf wtf THEN you say that I FUCKED UP?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Well you are right, RVEHF. BUT IT IS BECAUSE YOU THREE BEHAVED SO BADLY THAT UOU DID NOT DESERVE IT AND CONFUSED EVERYONE AND I HAD TO DO SKMETHING I made THE BEST case in the game to lynch someone scummy that absolutely nobody followed for no reason at all and nobody sheeped it. Don't tell me I fucked up and confused people when I was the only one trying to drive the lynch into a direction that wasn't on our veteran. lolol this is so good! I love you HF. <3 Although i disagree with one thing. I made the best case on d1.
Now kiss.
Can we start organising reads instead of scream at one another?
We still have a lot of bad people. FF, sick licker are two examples here
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On November 23 2014 02:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 23 2014 01:53 Holyflare wrote:On November 23 2014 01:42 Alakaslam wrote:On November 23 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote:Two strongest town on strongest wagon; Hence with my return I you sheeped your 2 strongest town reads without even reading the game On November 22 2014 06:30 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Slam do you have scumreads or just townreads? Neither really just vet sheeping I play horribly openly. you openly vet sheeped which is cool even though you didn't have your own reads then you ditched everything to lynch lurkers because you had no better alternative once I started to draw people off of templar and then completely ignored the hopeless lynch to lynch someone who was just afk and nothing more and hadn't even commented on any of the hopeless stuff at all you just said "i don't see it" even though there is nothing not to see because my case explains everything that he's done that is scummy and there is no "i don't see it" because it IS scummy I just said it, but for tl:dr reasons I will specifically state the answer to this part. That is because you three phuxed up and Deffo have a scum amongst you but since you all h8 each other I can't figure out who. So I have to trust none of you. Absolutely just no wtf is this. You say why am I arguing with VE when he is doing scummy things. You say I shouldn't question rayn when he's doing scummy things and dismissing everything valid but then you say we should all make up but theres definitely 1 scum between us!?!?!??!?!?! wtf wtf wtf THEN you say that I FUCKED UP?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Well you are right, RVEHF. BUT IT IS BECAUSE YOU THREE BEHAVED SO BADLY THAT UOU DID NOT DESERVE IT AND CONFUSED EVERYONE AND I HAD TO DO SKMETHING I made THE BEST case in the game to lynch someone scummy that absolutely nobody followed for no reason at all and nobody sheeped it. Don't tell me I fucked up and confused people when I was the only one trying to drive the lynch into a direction that wasn't on our veteran. lolol this is so good! I love you HF. <3 Although i disagree with one thing. I made the best case on d1. Now kiss. Can we start organising reads instead of scream at one another? We still have a lot of bad people. FF, sick licker are two examples here
On November 23 2014 01:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +I can't really stay up any longer... Please just look at hopeless' filter page 2 onwards when the game actually starts and then just sheep me
Repeated questions that lead nowhere with no follow up and lots of "what do you think about that person?" and "what about this person?"
Defending peoples thought processes and telling us what scum do (in regards to templars post) but it was actually quite the opposite and weird (he said mafia want to try and not scum read people in their posts which didn't make sense)
Scum read SL for interaction with VE but completely dropped any line of questioning to do with SL and despite scum reading him he doesn't even appear in his scum list. When queried where the read went the super weird response of you should have followed it up for me was given which does not show any kind of town playing in the dark thinking at all
Dismissal of ve, rayn and me but previously had town reads on us (maybe not ve?) when nothing had changed in between. I'm posting this one last time. I want people that don't have hopeless as their main lynch of choice to tell me WHY these points don't make him scummier than anyone else. I want them to dissect this post and tell me why they disagree with it. I want the people that chose not to sheep me on hopeless but instead lynch our veteran to explain what was wrong with this case and why they chose a guy that wasn't even playing the game over someone who has done only scummy things. Time to step up slackers.
you are the main person who needs to answer this
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On November 23 2014 02:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 23 2014 01:53 Holyflare wrote:On November 23 2014 01:42 Alakaslam wrote:On November 23 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote:Two strongest town on strongest wagon; Hence with my return I you sheeped your 2 strongest town reads without even reading the game On November 22 2014 06:30 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Slam do you have scumreads or just townreads? Neither really just vet sheeping I play horribly openly. you openly vet sheeped which is cool even though you didn't have your own reads then you ditched everything to lynch lurkers because you had no better alternative once I started to draw people off of templar and then completely ignored the hopeless lynch to lynch someone who was just afk and nothing more and hadn't even commented on any of the hopeless stuff at all you just said "i don't see it" even though there is nothing not to see because my case explains everything that he's done that is scummy and there is no "i don't see it" because it IS scummy I just said it, but for tl:dr reasons I will specifically state the answer to this part. That is because you three phuxed up and Deffo have a scum amongst you but since you all h8 each other I can't figure out who. So I have to trust none of you. Absolutely just no wtf is this. You say why am I arguing with VE when he is doing scummy things. You say I shouldn't question rayn when he's doing scummy things and dismissing everything valid but then you say we should all make up but theres definitely 1 scum between us!?!?!??!?!?! wtf wtf wtf THEN you say that I FUCKED UP?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Well you are right, RVEHF. BUT IT IS BECAUSE YOU THREE BEHAVED SO BADLY THAT UOU DID NOT DESERVE IT AND CONFUSED EVERYONE AND I HAD TO DO SKMETHING I made THE BEST case in the game to lynch someone scummy that absolutely nobody followed for no reason at all and nobody sheeped it. Don't tell me I fucked up and confused people when I was the only one trying to drive the lynch into a direction that wasn't on our veteran. lolol this is so good! I love you HF. <3 Although i disagree with one thing. I made the best case on d1. Now kiss. Can we start organising reads instead of scream at one another? We still have a lot of bad people. FF, sick licker are two examples here in case you haven't noticed me and hf have been doing that for a long time.
How about you? Ohyou just disorganized.
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HF did you read the exchange between me and templar a while ago?
Please comment on it when you think it's time to.
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yeh I didn't like it all because he maintained that he didn't lie about anything and then said he was forced to lie
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On November 23 2014 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
yeh I didn't like it all because he maintained that he didn't lie about anything and then said he was forced to lie
And then he said it was something else and then i lost what he was saying at all...
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[quote]On November 23 2014 01:35 Holyflare wrote:
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I can't really stay up any longer... Please just look at hopeless' filter page 2 onwards when the game actually starts and then just sheep me
Repeated questions that lead nowhere with no follow up and lots of "what do you think about that person?" and "what about this person?"
this is the scummiest trait on hopeless and I agreed on it. But damdred also does it when he is town, and he did it this game. Why lynching hopeless over damdred, in this case? I believe you should be pushing both of them, and not only hopeless.
Defending peoples thought processes and telling us what scum do (in regards to templars post) but it was actually quite the opposite and weird (he said mafia want to try and not scum read people in their posts which didn't make sense)
this is not alignment indicative and if you think so, I've point something similar from VE but you're not scumreading him right now
Scum read SL for interaction with VE but completely dropped any line of questioning to do with SL and despite scum reading him he doesn't even appear in his scum list. When queried where the read went the super weird response of you should have followed it up for me was given which does not show any kind of town playing in the dark thinking at all
[b]this is also strong and I have nothing against your logic here[b]
Dismissal of ve, rayn and me but previously had town reads on us (maybe not ve?) when nothing had changed in between.
I don't think scum would be so careless to flip their reads when nothing has changed. More likely to be town paranoia
I'm posting this one last time. I want people that don't have hopeless as their main lynch of choice to tell me WHY these points don't make him scummier than anyone else. I want them to dissect this post and tell me why they disagree with it. I want the people that chose not to sheep me on hopeless but instead lynch our veteran to explain what was wrong with this case and why they chose a guy that wasn't even playing the game over someone who has done only scummy things.
Time to step up slackers.
it's not a problem of bad arguments, it's a problem of better lynch targets. I was pretty insecure on who to vote but I was also very sleepy. You were a scum mean to me, as VE and also Rayn. VE had a weird push on Hopeless. How can I vote with 2 people that I thought that may be scum?
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