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On November 21 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi Rayn
I love you
Who is scum?
How common is sheeping Rayn? I haven't actually seen many of his games.
On November 21 2014 02:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok so we are discussing obs qt posts?
Because that's not very accurate instrument to catch mafia. Opinions change from game to game. The solidest proof of what I'm saying was damdreds case on me on Hearthstone. He read me scum for having different opinion from the one I had on FFL 2 mafia, and I was town in both.
Bring me something solid and constant, and thread-only. Reads differ from obs to thread because there is a difference on pressure.
I like this post the most, and it's why I don't like meta-reads. People do change ideas, methods of playing, and the players they are playing against (and their opinions of them), sort of every game. I prefer to stay only inside the thread, so I'm ok with most of the reads on me so far. (Although I have a pretty obvious style of play as both mafia and town that I refuse to/can't change).
While this isn't particularly relevant, it's how I am viewing the game which is probably important if Rayn fails to lynch me today.
On November 21 2014 06:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu following the Chezinu Rule is pretty townie Chezinu imo. Anyone disagree? Like yeah, he could do it as both alignments...but if you assume he's mafia then what do you think that means about Hopeless? And why does he unvote Hopeless only to vote sicklucker if he's mafia?
Anyone disagree with my line of thinking here? Like, if Chez is mafia then the assumption is that Hopeless is town (based on Chez voting for him), so Chez voting for sicklucker (also presumably town for Chez vote) doesn't make much sense if he's mafia. It doesn't really make sense from any perspective other than Hopeless/Chez mafia, which if that's the case then why does he vote for him in the first place?
For the moment I'm going to go ahead and say that I'll never lynch Chezinu today. 1st Paragraph) it's easier for mafia to follow a rule (or policy) than actually putting thought on the game. Following rules seems to be more scummy than townie to me. I can't understand your insistence in calling Chezinu town. I also don't understand why you say that Chezinu is probably town and then assumes it's a null tell right after and justifies calling him town using associative reads. Are you calling him town for using a rule or because you're doing associative reads? These are two different sources of read. Unvoting hopeless to vote sicklucker is a null tell. 2nd) Unflipped association. Lol. I prefer to think this way: "can this be done by a mafia? Is it more likely, less likely or equally likely to do as mafia?" And my answer is Yes and Equally likely. 3rd) For the moment or you're never going to lynch Chezinu? VE, you simply repeated your idea on both first and second paragraph. Your writing style doesn't look fluid, but fabricated, full of hesitation ("does anyone agree?" " for the moment I'll say I'll never lynch him) Meh, I found this post horrible.
Not much to say other than I completely agree with this post. I like how Rayn completely disagreed, and then read it again and suddenly agreed. What the hell did he misread in order to change his opinion that much?
On November 21 2014 06:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i misread something.
That post from VE is a big pile of ???????????????????????????????????????
VE, wtf? LOL NO.
Explain this post
(this is the equivalent of getting being a 6 year old getting called to the principal's office)
On November 21 2014 06:24 GlowingBear wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Us9aAH8.png)
I don't understand this picture.
And no there is no vote count.
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On November 21 2014 08:05 ritoky wrote:
don't like:
lian - claimed mafia, being an unproductive dick. play the game or die. some people said "him being a dick means he is town"; i think that is garbage, i have been a giant dick before as mafia and so have many others. he is clearly reading the thread and refusing to provide content, can't get much worse than that d1. OH WAIT, he claimed mafia with his first post.
hopeless - shit reactions to pressure, overly defensive, made one post recently that was okay; but i don't let go of things very easily, so his shitty reaction sticks with me
fecalfeast - you my friend, were the first person to suggest lynching lurkers! congratulations, welcome to the only policy i have. the person who first suggests lynching lurkers is mafia 86% of the time.
don't understand:
chezinu - why is anyone town reading this guy? like people are hard defending him...and i don't even understand how they got a leaning town on him to begin with.
sicklucker - don't really understand your read on me in the slightest, i spent the early game fighting with VE; i don't feel like a propagator of peace
damdred - weak reads by his standards, fairly passive by his standards, has very narrow focus. not really sure what the hell he is doing right now.
I'm going to look into the bolded ones first, probably followed by sicklucker.
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Liancourt
On November 20 2014 18:20 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8NBC8aU.png)
Sick opening post
Figure out how many of the next 6 posts is claiming mafia. Hint: more than 5.
On November 20 2014 18:24 liancourt wrote:
##vote holyflare
just cos i can
On November 20 2014 18:31 liancourt wrote:
i'm bussing u HF :D
to get that sweet town cred :D
On November 20 2014 18:35 liancourt wrote:
no such thing as reasoning on day 1
u go with the chupazi lol
On November 20 2014 18:41 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:39 Holyflare wrote:
lian do something productive please no. i aint reading through past shit. never helped me in the past and no one listened to me anyway so fuck it lol i'm tunneling u for sweet town cred
On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:really wtf is with the votes
On November 20 2014 18:52 liancourt wrote:
stop voting for bloody mafai i'm telling you to bus HF like we had that chat in the quicktopic goddamn it.
Hey look, a decent post!
On November 20 2014 18:56 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 16:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:56 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:53 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:52 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:
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claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is.
you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours. This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky? and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted. Why do you say I overreacted? On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.
What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture? I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez? Not really. On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town. "Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit. bolded part is a massive overreaction to someone calling you scum for a shaky reason at best 1 hour in. to me overreactions imply a person has something to hide. He took an already shaky premise and twisted the word "we" into a scumread. That is fucking ludicrous and I will not stand for it. then advance the game in a more positive direction rather than just sitting there whining about it and being defensive? that falls in the OMGUS VE category. But you don't think I'm mafia Hopeless, and if you do that PROVES you're mafia. Because you're a good player and you know that this is how I play as town. As mafia I'm totally different, I lurk hard, and I come in with big posts and then play defense. That's my style, and that's how I win. OR lose. what kind of logic is that lol i think ur mafia, so i must be mafia too lmao
...well it's actually trying to make a point. I approve of this post because it points out how recklessly confident VE is, to the point of being ridiculous. Saying, "I always play like this as town, so you shouldn't think I'm mafia" is basically claiming town. It's also WIFOM, if I correctly understand the definition of this. So, liancourt is perfectly reasonable to ridicule this post.
Continuing wall of 0-content posts:
On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6nl9cSB.png?2) really wtf is with the votes Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad? stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions? There is no reason to vote hope the votes are bad same thing LOL What was the point of your question mafia? i change my vote templar is mafai
NOT ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS
On November 20 2014 19:02 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah this has been pretty productive.
In summary:
I think Hopeless is mafia based on interactions/reaction.
I think Holyflare is mafia based on him defending Hopeless at a weird time (right after he reacts poorly to my pressure) for a weird reason (apparently feigning contribution to appear contributory is NOT scummy?), and under weird circumstances (he agrees that the reaction to his only other scumread is scummy). On top of everything else, he just keeps trying to discredit everything I do and say as senseless when I've been very clear about everything I've done this game.
I think Chez is town because he drew a very cool picture of me. Also he pointed out Hopeless and I agreed with him.
Rayn will explain his thoughts and then I'll give my read on rayn.
I have no idea what lian is doing. But he's voting for HF so we can be friends for now.
Templar's post is bad, but I don't think it makes him mafia. It's an awful big post and a lot of effort for mafia to go to. IF he's mafia then why does he make that post? Like, I'm not the lynch today in any world, ever. If he wants to fight me about that fine - but why does he do that as mafia?
Yes I've exaggerated a bit about how sure I am of my reads, but the reasoning is in the thread - if you disagree with it fine, just say why. Yo Mafia is bussing each other like hard ons ve hf hope templar mafia
He asked everyone "wtf are you voting hopeless" earlier. I don't think he clarified why he subtly switched to mafia.
On November 20 2014 19:08 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm going to bed, liancourt seems scummy to me. I'd unvote ve but im on my phone. fucks off and gives no reason why i'm scummy just flinging shit around = mafia
Reminds me of someone...
On November 20 2014 19:58 liancourt wrote:
u dont even know whats so scummy about me
u just dont understand why i'm doing this so u vote me lol
no wait...ur voting me because i piggy backed on someone calling u salty
stop being salty and play the game
We are only 1/3 of the way through day 1 so having this many terrible, scummy posts is actually quite impressive.
Anyway, I have a gut feeling that he might come back and start cleaning up his mess instead of spreading it across the room, but I'm likely to be keeping my vote on him until he either does so or dies.
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On November 21 2014 08:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Templur, it's a red rain.
I thought it was self explanatory
Oh. I thought blood for some reason >.>
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On November 21 2014 08:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm just going to throw it out there that I didn't say we should lynch the lurkers, I said I wanted to look at them. Which means I want them to post.
I liked that part of the post
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On November 21 2014 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh I didn't see your question templar. I want(ed) to lynch licksucker because of things that may or may not change based on the result of the other active game. Which, again I will not talk about.
Right, sorry.
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On November 21 2014 08:33 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vUPCbOE.png)
Replace lian with Templar and you've got it!
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On November 21 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:
I find funny that people are ignoring my scumread on both VE and Rayn. Lol
I find that perfectly reasonable though
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On November 21 2014 08:51 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KC1ZMHN.png)
are you actually reading my posts?
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On November 21 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
No, he is just cluttering the thread :/
Ok just checking. You know, you're sort of doing that too.
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On November 21 2014 08:30 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rIhsh8D.png)
Are you saying I'm going OMGUS?
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On November 21 2014 09:08 liancourt wrote:
damn straight
i first accused you and now ur accusing me of things that are universally true.
not that hard to make a case on me lol
Maybe you should start playing the game then.
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On November 21 2014 20:58 sicklucker wrote:
That was just an inside joke because I just mislynched him and he was salty about it. In that game he also tried to vote me out with all the new players because of a "scumslip" Those reads are terrible from my limited experience.
The fact I was the bigger man and made peace with him when he was actually pissed at me... Thats where I got my ff read from
Can we not base our reads on stuff related to other games, unless it's important meta?
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On November 21 2014 23:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've been a part of every MAJOR interaction in the game. You call me mafia when you are giving reads without reading the fucking game. I've been giving reads and giving reasoning for my reads all game. ALL game. My INTRO into the game was me giving my opinion about someone. There is literallly zero reason to think I'm mafia, if you only read the game.
On November 20 2014 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
So my first instinct when I want to appear active as mafia is to just get in the thread and comment on something - ANYTHING. Like, it doesn't even have to be important, it just has to be a random comment about something happening in the thread.
As town to appear active your first instinct is to just post. But that's different from the above. What mafia want to do is comment on something. Because it can be seen as some kind of contribution. Townies will post just anything.
Hmmm...
So VE, when are you going to explain your vote? Or did I just miss it?
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On November 22 2014 00:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 00:04 Holyflare wrote:
you've done nothing to say why i'm mafia at all and have stuck to that useless read for the entire game for no reason despite me explaining everything perfectly adequately That's the problem. You're "explaining it adequately" HF you're not telling the truth. You're "expaining" everything, not giving the truth. imo
He explained his actions "perfectly adequately". There's no difference in telling the truth about what he did and explaining it, except the latter might give more detail.
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On November 22 2014 00:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyone saying that I'm suspicious is wrong. Everything I've done has been townie. LMAO
Except refusing to ever, ever change your vote because of a read you did a few hours into the game... Now we've spent the majority of day 1 talking about this one scum read you have of him and ignoring half the players in the game.
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Rayn,
learn to read.
On November 21 2014 02:42 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also also why are you voting for a townie? Over a dude you have a case on? I'm threatening lian since he doesn't seem to want to play the game. I am probably not lynching him, and I would rather lynch VE currently
Since lian is still doing nothing despite having led in votes, I'm going to go with my scum read.
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EBWOP
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EBWOP #2 since I linked the wrong image
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On November 22 2014 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's not ignoring me he's correctly reading me town.
Regardless of whether you're town or mafia, mafia is more likely to read you town than town is because you confused the issue for half of the entire day.
So basically, you sheeping someone is a really bad idea
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