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On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. Show nested quote +To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. Show nested quote +I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. Show nested quote +I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Show nested quote + Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL.
I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really.
Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly.
I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking.
I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked.
Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post.
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On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active).
I didn't just say Hey this guy is town and go about my day though, I said he looks better after reading his filter.Disagreed with rayn that you hadn't done anything up to that point when it was clear that you had been doing things and at that point HF said basically the same thing I did but you jumped on me instead of HF. Im not sure why its important that when a town read of mine isn't being lynched i need o continually post that they are town. I think ritoky is town does that mean when i'm posting cases or trying to i need to get that in? That whole part makes no sense you defend your town reads when its necessary otherwise you look for scum i'm not sure what you mean on that part.
Agreed I wasn't terribly active was a rough week at work, I have reads but I generally hate lists posts and try not to make town cases overall I tried it and just don't like it.
I asked HF questions to try to figure out his alignment and he really felt like I was pulling teeth but he gave his thoughts. I agree I didn't follow up with Rayn with his read on hopeless but I did give my thoughts on hopeless answer which was his answer was pretty bad in my mind. Questions help me find alignments and find motives behind whats being said and help me build reads.
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On November 23 2014 06:22 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:14 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:
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Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). I didn't just say Hey this guy is town and go about my day though, I said he looks better after reading his filter.Disagreed with rayn that you hadn't done anything up to that point when it was clear that you had been doing things and at that point HF said basically the same thing I did but you jumped on me instead of HF. Im not sure why its important that when a town read of mine isn't being lynched i need o continually post that they are town. I think ritoky is town does that mean when i'm posting cases or trying to i need to get that in? That whole part makes no sense you defend your town reads when its necessary otherwise you look for scum i'm not sure what you mean on that part. Agreed I wasn't terribly active was a rough week at work, I have reads but I generally hate lists posts and try not to make town cases overall I tried it and just don't like it. I asked HF questions to try to figure out his alignment and he really felt like I was pulling teeth but he gave his thoughts. I agree I didn't follow up with Rayn with his read on hopeless but I did give my thoughts on hopeless answer which was his answer was pretty bad in my mind. Questions help me find alignments and find motives behind whats being said and help me build reads. I went after you and not HF because you didn't do anything at that point in the game besides say "Oh, Templar could be town". HF changing his mind on me was also more important than you mentioning it because he actually made an effort to get people to unvote me, which sounds a lot less like a mafia trying to come in afterwards, saying "See, I told you he was town". You do not need to continually post that I am town, but instead give examples and say why. You can say it one time for all I care, if you explain what your reasoning is (with quotes!). Last paragraph: Fair enough, but I would prefer you giving your thoughts on the answers to your own questions more often than you currently are. Since day 2 begins on a sunday, I expect you to be contributing a fair amount more than you did in day 1
HF for most of d1 (I still love you HF) was extremely lazy and played like he was going to the dentist to get a root canal. I disagreed with some statements on you and you jumped on me instead of people who did the exact same thing... Your sentence about the mafia coming in afterwards makes no sense, if you had been lynched and I did that your example would make sense but since you did not it really doesn't as I get no such credit from you being alive?
I did explain reasoning you disagreed with my reasoning and somehow feel like it hinges on quotes? It won't change the reasoning behind the townread at that point, i felt like the train of thought,activity, defense etc was towny. Sure i'll humor you and spam quotes next time but it won't change the end result.
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On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:
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Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia?  It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~
So glad i know how you truly feel about me now lian
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On November 23 2014 06:32 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:22 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:14 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:
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Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:
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on phone so quotes will be limited
Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going.
You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process.
so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:
For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). I didn't just say Hey this guy is town and go about my day though, I said he looks better after reading his filter.Disagreed with rayn that you hadn't done anything up to that point when it was clear that you had been doing things and at that point HF said basically the same thing I did but you jumped on me instead of HF. Im not sure why its important that when a town read of mine isn't being lynched i need o continually post that they are town. I think ritoky is town does that mean when i'm posting cases or trying to i need to get that in? That whole part makes no sense you defend your town reads when its necessary otherwise you look for scum i'm not sure what you mean on that part. Agreed I wasn't terribly active was a rough week at work, I have reads but I generally hate lists posts and try not to make town cases overall I tried it and just don't like it. I asked HF questions to try to figure out his alignment and he really felt like I was pulling teeth but he gave his thoughts. I agree I didn't follow up with Rayn with his read on hopeless but I did give my thoughts on hopeless answer which was his answer was pretty bad in my mind. Questions help me find alignments and find motives behind whats being said and help me build reads. I went after you and not HF because you didn't do anything at that point in the game besides say "Oh, Templar could be town". HF changing his mind on me was also more important than you mentioning it because he actually made an effort to get people to unvote me, which sounds a lot less like a mafia trying to come in afterwards, saying "See, I told you he was town". You do not need to continually post that I am town, but instead give examples and say why. You can say it one time for all I care, if you explain what your reasoning is (with quotes!). Last paragraph: Fair enough, but I would prefer you giving your thoughts on the answers to your own questions more often than you currently are. Since day 2 begins on a sunday, I expect you to be contributing a fair amount more than you did in day 1 HF for most of d1 (I still love you HF) was extremely lazy and played like he was going to the dentist to get a root canal. I disagreed with some statements on you and you jumped on me instead of people who did the exact same thing... Your sentence about the mafia coming in afterwards makes no sense, if you had been lynched and I did that your example would make sense but since you did not it really doesn't as I get no such credit from you being alive?I did explain reasoning you disagreed with my reasoning and somehow feel like it hinges on quotes? It won't change the reasoning behind the townread at that point, i felt like the train of thought,activity, defense etc was towny. Sure i'll humor you and spam quotes next time but it won't change the end result. Bolded: I was likely to be lynched when you made those comments so it was relevant. It "hinges on quotes" because you haven't provided any specific examples of me doing what you say I'm doing. You're saying things without any proof.
Saying that you were likely to be lynched is probably an exaggeration plenty of time to still scum hunt and other people do hings. Just because I didn't quote things doesn't mean I didn't reference things in my posts for example your lists of reads not sur ewhy i would have to quote that since you posted it shortly before I posted but we are just arguing over you disagreeing with how i do things.
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On November 23 2014 06:45 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:37 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:
Damdred
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You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all.
You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct,
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You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important?
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"Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong."
This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not.
His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point.
When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet.
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Here's what I read.
"I'm busy excuse excuse.
A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people.
I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town."
Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this.
He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL.
Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ So glad i know how you truly feel about me now lian no that was my douchebag persona talking
haha i got a kick out of it no worries
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On November 23 2014 06:44 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:
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Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy.
Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case.
Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then? Because I did towny things?
Damdred is scum because he called me town. But I did towny things so its ok for him to call me town but i'll still berate him
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On November 23 2014 06:49 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:47 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:
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I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really.
Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly.
I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking.
I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked.
Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then? Because I did towny things? Damdred is scum because he called me town. But I did towny things so its ok for him to call me town but i'll still berate him When I said I obviously meant That's just nitpicking me.
So basically what your doin to everything I post?
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...i gave examples and pointed towards posts you are just upset that i couldn't quote said posts at the time and now you are making a big deal about it
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Why do you want to lynch only GB and by a mile?
I do take offense at that I brought legitamate things forward rit.
Also templar why you defend me in one post and berate me in another ;;
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On November 23 2014 07:44 sicklucker wrote:
GB is a mafia in so many worlds. He voted for 3 towns or 2 if you dont believe me
What kind of messed up way is this to tell who is mafia or not? People have bad reads people have good reads town votes town all the time. This just smells so much like someone trying to make up a reason to lynch someone.
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Why would you berate me all night and part of yesterday for not throwing all of my reads out their and now you say you are to hesitant to discuss all of your reads now?
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Are you scum reading GB? Why does it matter as long as they are in the thread?
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Ok. Basically why are you hesitant to discuss them with a null read to see if you can determine their alignment.
Also the thread could discuss them so why hold back
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VE is never scum as an un cc big GB what you talkin bout
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Why is that even important? If he hadn't of claimed I thought there was enough to see him scummy
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On November 24 2014 02:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote:
Why is that even important? If he hadn't of claimed I thought there was enough to see him scummy It is important because you saw he was playing just like Devil's Riddle mafia, pushed on him, and suddenly your vote was on sick lucker. You didn't seem to push VE like you were scumreading him. You didn't seem to convince people he is mafia. Why is that?
Your right I did say he was playing that way, and he was. Bit the thing that was most telling about VE was his actions from the vote being placed on him to his EoD so I was watching and trying to develop a better read on him. I was unsure about my read based on meta when I was so far off the last meta case I did and when I read SL I thought he was the best d1 lynch
Now it doesn't matter on him
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On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."
@GB
Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him
Ok. Motives I have scumread Templar1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward 2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?) 3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum. 4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker) Motives I am now townreading Templar:1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads) 2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum) 3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.
id like to talk about this post.
Tell me how this makes temp town. Reason three is bad because mafia will townread people a good bit of the time yea? Why are you an easy lynch? Why should you town read someone on that?
I think you said in another post that you think actives are mafia, why is this a town tell for temp in this case?
I'm partial to SL being scum but what other read or push has temp done today that causes you to say this?
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On November 24 2014 08:36 GlowingBear wrote:
People, I'm not trying to defend myself anymore.
Maybe it's even better that town mislynches me so people don't waste day3 still debating me.
So you guys that decided your votes on me, let's talk about the others. I'm afraid we are still too much disorganised.
This isn't protown GB and you know it martyring never saved town anything and if we lynch you to not debate you tommorow what would we be stuck on then? Temp? Chez? Slam?
Optimum play is to scum hunt defend yourself when necessary and push your lynch so stop it
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On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm out people.
Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.
Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome. Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read himIf you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both.
Sorry just got home from work crazy day.
I'll start off with Slam. I really don't know how to read slam, Oats or VE told me you can tell something about slams alignment how freely he posts and if he makes posts that actually make sense. If thats actually correct then he looks townish even if he was wrong on the kos.
Templars is a really hard alignment for me, i had a town read going into the night with him with how he was thinking. But his night activity with hitting me over the head for thinking he was towny really set me back on him and left a bad taste in my mouth. He read me as pinkish at one point during the night (mafia lean) I take it, but now has me null by his last drawing, his case for today was some form of trap for people to stumble into which doesn't make much sense to me. He also said last night that if my play did not improve dramatically he would lynch me but besides a few posts in response to me hasn't really pushed me or tried to get me lynched despite my activity being low again today in fact he only mentioned my scum read SL and I think hes willing to vote with me. All of its really weird play when you consider last night and today and fell off activity wise so i'm moving him into my scum lean category
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