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On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player.
I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant.
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On November 20 2014 19:32 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:28 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 19:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2014 19:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read. And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM! Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/ Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts. There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation. Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion. But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right? My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that? your read is crap VE. because if you actually believe your read then you should have the same one on me; yet i didn't even make the reads post of yours. your read is predicated on HF not finding hopeless scummy for the reasons you pointed out early, but finding him scummy for his reaction to being called out. which is almost the exact same response i had. remember where i was calling you out until hopeless reacted to you and then i rescinded on you cuz i found his post crap? that was the basis or your original read on HF, so it should also be on me. the fact that you don't evenly apply it means you're mafia or you're fabricating to push your OGI feelings. I don't even know what you just said here. Which read are you even referring to? My read of Holyflare? So you think Holyflare is town then I guess? Cool. I disagree. I don't have to think you're the same alignment because you're different players and Holyflare is a MUCH better player than you are. No offense intended. I am saying that your initial holyflare is scum read was: VE thinks hopeless is scum for early posts and reactions. HF thinks hopeless is scum only for the reactions. VE thinks HF is scummy for that. I had literally the exact same process and even argued it with you, but you didn't apply the scum read to me. I am saying that you're not applying your criteria for someone being scum evenly, which is suspect. capital much is a bit much, i will accept lower-case much. I did though, for a second. Remember back when I asked you if you thought I was mafia and you dodged the question? That happened man. But the way you backed off it after Hopeless' reaction made me lean town on you, where HF deigned to continue to call me scummy for it. See the difference?
I suppose that is reasonable.
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On November 20 2014 19:41 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ctst7UP.png)
I can't read this
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On November 20 2014 19:43 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:40 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player. I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant. put ur vote where ur mouth is stop beating around the bush
I'm busy right now working on the LR for the Hot6ix cup. I'll vote later
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On November 20 2014 19:50 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:40 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player. I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant. No let me clarify I said your post means nothing to me, as in I dont see it making you town or scum. Thats why I said both rayn and you were null for me. Im just curious what rayn has to say
I'm saying Rayn already saw my post and said I was mafia based on it. Then he started posting everything based on my being mafia.
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On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.
ritoky i am the king of vague statements.
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Admittedly you only made one post after that one that even referred to your 100% mafia read on me
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On November 20 2014 19:05 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:01 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6nl9cSB.png?2) really wtf is with the votes Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad? stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions? There is no reason to vote hope the votes are bad same thing LOL What was the point of your question mafia? i change my vote templar is mafai Those are completely different. I am not active, because you said I'm not active, so I won't bother to answer your post now. Maybe if you remind me later I will ur reacting like a mafia who's been caught red handed u arent reacting to pressure very well = mafia u are fucking off and ignoring what players say = mafia temp[lar = mafia
- Since when have I ever reacted to pressure well? In any game.
- No, I'm ignoring what you say, because your posting is effortless.
- Your second point is pretty close to what you're doing.
I don't like your posts.
On November 20 2014 19:50 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:43 liancourt wrote:On November 20 2014 19:40 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player. I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant. put ur vote where ur mouth is stop beating around the bush I'm busy right now working on the LR for the Hot6ix cup. I'll vote later all words with no back up ur afraid to vote me first because u know i'm town arent u mafia want to bandwagon their votes and u want to bandwagon me when there are a few votes on me. My lynch hasn't gotten traction yet and ur making excuses to postpone ur voting so u dont look suspicious when u vote me Everyone is shitting themselves because they really have no fucking idea what the fuck I'm doing and u are shitting bricks
This is the worst in a series of low-content, low-effort, low-grammar posts that you've made today.
If I wanted to lynch you immediately, I would have voted you right there and then. Order isn't important when voting, and only agreeing to vote when I get someone else to vote first always looks suspicious. Your last sentence is garbage.
Most of your other points are basically related to my play style and are null.
Know that I only vote when I have a good reason and someone is pressuring me to vote.
On November 20 2014 19:46 liancourt wrote:
i'm playing the be the biggest dick in the thread so that everyone votes me meta
is it working guys?
has my douche persona reached ur darling hearts?
Here I'll help you
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I don't want to play with jerks.
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On November 21 2014 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. had to post this... lol you don't even know why i think he is mafia. which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare. So you are claiming scum? Why is my case bad? You called it bad now tell me why is it bad.
You haven't made your case yet, so it's bad until you show him it's good. That's what I think anyway.
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Rayn, I said that I didn't understand the thread at first and it only made any sense if I read it backwards.
I have lots of excuses for being a bad player because, surprise, I am a bad player. We can't all be as good as you are.
I linked that post because I wrote for a long time and I expected more activity
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On November 21 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote:
HOpeless rayn has posed his case will ou please answer me now? Templar isnt deadset on scumreading VE, he's just pointing out a bunch of things that show VE to be inconsistent. He's not really pushing an agenda, and I agree with basically everything he posted. Scum dont make that kind of post, they either call VE scum or pressure or do something. Templar just drops it at the end like he couldnt care less.
I said "here's what I think about one player, but I can't discuss it right now." I certainly care about what I write...
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On November 21 2014 02:27 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote:
HOpeless rayn has posed his case will ou please answer me now? Templar isnt deadset on scumreading VE, he's just pointing out a bunch of things that show VE to be inconsistent. He's not really pushing an agenda, and I agree with basically everything he posted. Scum dont make that kind of post, they either call VE scum or pressure or do something. Templar just drops it at the end like he couldnt care less. I said "here's what I think about one player, but I can't discuss it right now." I certainly care about what I write...
Ebwop: didn't you just town read me? This post looks like reasoning for a vote
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On November 21 2014 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:25 The_Templar wrote:
Rayn, I said that I didn't understand the thread at first and it only made any sense if I read it backwards.
I have lots of excuses for being a bad player because, surprise, I am a bad player. We can't all be as good as you are.
I linked that post because I wrote for a long time and I expected more activity Also this: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes? Like VE just claims town everywhere and your case becomes really bad?
I don't know Rayn, it was 4am
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On November 21 2014 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So templar did you or did you not think VE is mafia when you made your post?
I was leaning mafia
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On November 21 2014 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also also why are you voting for a townie? Over a dude you have a case on?
I'm threatening lian since he doesn't seem to want to play the game. I am probably not lynching him, and I would rather lynch VE currently
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On November 21 2014 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:41 The_Templar wrote:On November 21 2014 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 02:25 The_Templar wrote:
Rayn, I said that I didn't understand the thread at first and it only made any sense if I read it backwards.
I have lots of excuses for being a bad player because, surprise, I am a bad player. We can't all be as good as you are.
I linked that post because I wrote for a long time and I expected more activity Also this: What did you think would happen in a full 20 minutes? Like VE just claims town everywhere and your case becomes really bad? I don't know Rayn, it was 4am Of course you know. You wrote the thing in question. thrawn is the only one who can use the "idk" excuse and he has 2/3 strikes already.
Fine. I thought my case might be obsolete by the time I posted it as I was going pretty slowly.
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On November 21 2014 03:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
really dislike sicklucker
"VE totally believes what he's saying"
"I have no idea what VE said or why he said it"
Those aren't exclusive.
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On November 21 2014 04:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
I kinda like rayn's posts on templar. Can anyone tell me how many games templar has played? If not I'll just check the database.
I'll admit I skimmed over a few of the essays people posted but from what I can tell VE is cool, rayn is cool, HF is ok, cheeze disappeared after realizing his art is inferior to mine so meh/null. Lian is lame but probably just lame town like others have said. Does slam have any meta regarding activity? It seems he has excuses for now but I wish he would post more.
I kinda want to policy lynch licksucker but that's based on an active game so it can wait.
no hard scumreads atm but people I will be looking at:
sicklucker
templar
hopeless
slam
cheeze sandwich
and the lurkers
and yes I am caught up
I played a TL+ game, Twitterverse Mini, Mission Mini, and 4 hour mafia. The TL+ one is not listed. I can try to describe it if you'd like.
On November 21 2014 04:50 sicklucker wrote:
Ok im on bored the templar scum train. Not rushing through the thread this time. Saying your bad in the second line of your first post and you didnt read it properly. I dont expect this from a 30k post guy. I expect him to have played a few games before can anyone tell me the meta here?. He never commits to his reads which is what id expect mafia to do. Also gives a end of post excuse to ignore the game and not read it in "the right direction"
30k posts is completely irrelevant. I am still not a good mafia player and I admit it.
I would like you to admit you made up that bolded part, because I said I didn't have time for everyone else at that time.
On November 21 2014 04:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
Okay I'll accept your olive branch but less blue hunting and random percentages that don't help, please.
Who is this directed at?
On November 21 2014 05:32 sicklucker wrote:
Random ok heres who I like.
Rayn- Like his reads doing his usual aggressive townshit the fact he was the first one to call ve town I liked verymuch
FF- He accepted peace after a rocky game thats very towny to me
ve- Insanely confident I have a hard time believing he goes that hard on nothing if hes mafia.
ritoky - My top town I think Hes trying to keep the peace and get that horribly overreacted fight done with. I dont think a mafia ever has the balls or the motive to keep the peace when we have people threatening to veggie shoot people two hours into the gamee.
Who I dont like
Lian- Pretty self explanatory+ I already said why
templar - Said a few posts back
Holyflare - Over defensive not willing to commit to a scum read
Rest are null
I find these to be very bad reads.
AFAIK Rayn always plays like this so I am still reading him as null. He is probably the only person I will check through a previous game of, preferably one of his games as mafia so I can see any differences.
FF: Don't base your reads on other games.
VE: No comment but I disagree.
ritoky: He's trying to keep the peace? Since when is peace helpful? Those vig shot threats were surely meant to create chaos?
Lian: No comment
Holyflare: I interpreted this as 6 scum reads. He's being defensive... because he's being accused. Big surprise there.
On November 21 2014 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
Towny looking
7. VisceraEyes
6. raynpelikoneet
14. Alakaslam
8. Fecalfeast
4. liancourt
Could be towny
13. ritoky (maybe up a tier)
11. Chezinu (undecided whether up or down so middle but townyISH)
meh
2. The_Templar
3. KillerSOS
5. Hopeless1der
9. sicklucker
10. GlowingBear
12. Damdred
4 mafia is quite large heh.. you don't have a single scumread?  "how can you miss an obvious scum in templar?" that would be a quite exact quote from FFL2.
What?
On November 21 2014 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 06:16 Damdred wrote:On November 21 2014 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 06:00 Damdred wrote:
I'd have to look but I said aggressive style which a titanic game we played fits the bill rayn.
You always have a meh read on me on d1 hf but i shitposted in that game and tried to "protect" marv/HF as long as i could. i didn't post anything, i just posted a shitton and almost all of the people read me as town and then some fucking dumb vigi (who also read me as town but "didn't like me") shot me. so no, there is nothing like this game. in Titanic IV i posted absolutely 0 analysis on anything. Yes I would agree with you overall but you were still reasonably aggressive, which is what SL is townreading you on being aggressive. I think its null from you and not worth town reading you on content is your key I think but i found mafia. everyone remember this post and lynch (shoot) damdred when i lynch templar and he flips scum.
Too bad that's not happening.
Reading through GB's filter right now.
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Oops, I meant to write more on that first one.
On November 21 2014 04:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
I kinda like rayn's posts on templar. Can anyone tell me how many games templar has played? If not I'll just check the database.
I'll admit I skimmed over a few of the essays people posted but from what I can tell VE is cool, rayn is cool, HF is ok, cheeze disappeared after realizing his art is inferior to mine so meh/null. Lian is lame but probably just lame town like others have said. Does slam have any meta regarding activity? It seems he has excuses for now but I wish he would post more.
I kinda want to policy lynch licksucker but that's based on an active game so it can wait.
no hard scumreads atm but people I will be looking at:
sicklucker
templar
hopeless
slam
cheeze sandwich
and the lurkers
and yes I am caught up
You should go back and re-read VE/Rayn/HF considering they all seem to find huge flaws in each others' arguments from the very beginning.
Why do you want to policy lynch sicklucker?
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