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On November 21 2014 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. had to post this... lol you don't even know why i think he is mafia. which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare. So you are claiming scum? Why is my case bad? You called it bad now tell me why is it bad.
You haven't made your case yet, so it's bad until you show him it's good. That's what I think anyway.
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On November 21 2014 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. had to post this... lol you don't even know why i think he is mafia. which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare. So you are claiming scum? Why is my case bad? You called it bad now tell me why is it bad.
.... I have no idea how you can even reach conclusions sometimes I think you just add the words "you are claiming scum" and "you are town" to your posts sometimes just to mess with people
where is your case??
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On November 21 2014 00:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 20 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wwhy the fuck would being absolute be scummy?
i must be mafia in every game then.... are you dense or some shit? read the thread No u. I know exactly what ve has said and there is nothing scummy in it. So either you are twisting the facts which makes you mafia, or maybe you should read the thread... Or maybe you just went insane. Idk yet. But we should still kill templar. I'll explain when i get off work and then you can all sheep me and i can be confirmed town. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.
ritoky i am the king of vague statements. If I am saying that VE's logic doesn't actually make someone mafia etc etc and he's saying it does and I'm mafia for not seeing that and here you are defending ve's logic saying there's nothing scummy with it (thereby nothing wrong with it at all) how come you aren't scum reading hopeless at all!? either you: 1) Agree with ve and then you would be scum reading hopeless (you already said you don't think what ve did was scummy) or 2) you disagree with ve saying that hopeless is scummy and therefore agree with ME if the answer is number 2 then your post means nothing and is actually discrediting me for no reason because you aren't reading the thread, if your answer is number 1 then there's something wrong with your mindset because you don't scum read hopeless in your read post and you are probably mafia
That is not the point Holyflare.
My point is you called out VE's logic before you gave Hopeless a chance to defend himself (or overreact/scumtell whatever if he is mafia) against VE. At the time you at least must assume there is a chance that VE is town and Hopeless is mafia. Unless you had a really strong townread on Hopeless (which you didn't) you do not shut down cases on him, regardless of how good/bad the case is. It is just retarded (just like answering to questions asked from other people -- you know what i am talking about) and i don't really get why did you do that in the first place because i KNOW you think what i just said is a fact.
That's why i called you weird.
Now you seem to be having a scumread on Hopeless. Cool. Now why the hell are you fixated in VE??? You called his actions scummy but you do not think it makes him mafia. Fuck, let it go then if it does not make him mafia. What's the point???? You know VE, he "doesn't negotiate with terrorists" and i can't understand what are you possibly trying to achieve treating like you do -- from town perspective. It just doesn't make sense because he'll shut down towards you and you will at each other and if you are both town then fuck this game because it's gonna be ruined.
That's my 2c on you, and if possible i'd like you to explain your actions i was talking about. Give me the town motivation because i do not see it.
Also yes, i think Hopeless is quite possibly scum for his latest posts. When he got back to the thread i got the same impression you posted. I don't/didn't think VE had a good case. In fact i kinda liked how Hopeless answered the case. Oh yeah that's the third thing. Why was Hopeless' response to the case bad (that's why you think he is scum, right)?
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On November 21 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. had to post this... lol you don't even know why i think he is mafia. which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare. So you are claiming scum? Why is my case bad? You called it bad now tell me why is it bad. .... I have no idea how you can even reach conclusions sometimes I think you just add the words "you are claiming scum" and "you are town" to your posts sometimes just to mess with people where is your case??
I am waiting for Hopeless to answer first because apparently he knows what my case is.
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So hopeless won't answer me until you post your case and you won't post your case until he answers some vague question what your case is.
Just post the case please rayn
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On November 21 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote:On November 21 2014 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. had to post this... lol you don't even know why i think he is mafia. which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare. So you are claiming scum? Why is my case bad? You called it bad now tell me why is it bad. .... I have no idea how you can even reach conclusions sometimes I think you just add the words "you are claiming scum" and "you are town" to your posts sometimes just to mess with people where is your case?? I am waiting for Hopeless to answer first because apparently he knows what my case is.
I never claimed to know what your case is. I said your read on Templar looks bad, because I read Templar town for the same post. Neither of us have given an explanation. You said you would first.
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On November 21 2014 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 00:19 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 20 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wwhy the fuck would being absolute be scummy?
i must be mafia in every game then.... are you dense or some shit? read the thread No u. I know exactly what ve has said and there is nothing scummy in it. So either you are twisting the facts which makes you mafia, or maybe you should read the thread... Or maybe you just went insane. Idk yet. But we should still kill templar. I'll explain when i get off work and then you can all sheep me and i can be confirmed town. On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.
ritoky i am the king of vague statements. If I am saying that VE's logic doesn't actually make someone mafia etc etc and he's saying it does and I'm mafia for not seeing that and here you are defending ve's logic saying there's nothing scummy with it (thereby nothing wrong with it at all) how come you aren't scum reading hopeless at all!? either you: 1) Agree with ve and then you would be scum reading hopeless (you already said you don't think what ve did was scummy) or 2) you disagree with ve saying that hopeless is scummy and therefore agree with ME if the answer is number 2 then your post means nothing and is actually discrediting me for no reason because you aren't reading the thread, if your answer is number 1 then there's something wrong with your mindset because you don't scum read hopeless in your read post and you are probably mafia That is not the point Holyflare. My point is you called out VE's logic before you gave Hopeless a chance to defend himself (or overreact/scumtell whatever if he is mafia) against VE. At the time you at least must assume there is a chance that VE is town and Hopeless is mafia. Unless you had a really strong townread on Hopeless (which you didn't) you do not shut down cases on him, regardless of how good/bad the case is. It is just retarded (just like answering to questions asked from other people -- you know what i am talking about) and i don't really get why did you do that in the first place because i KNOW you think what i just said is a fact. That's why i called you weird. Now you seem to be having a scumread on Hopeless. Cool. Now why the hell are you fixated in VE??? You called his actions scummy but you do not think it makes him mafia. Fuck, let it go then if it does not make him mafia. What's the point???? You know VE, he "doesn't negotiate with terrorists" and i can't understand what are you possibly trying to achieve treating like you do -- from town perspective. It just doesn't make sense because he'll shut down towards you and you will at each other and if you are both town then fuck this game because it's gonna be ruined. That's my 2c on you, and if possible i'd like you to explain your actions i was talking about. Give me the town motivation because i do not see it. Also yes, i think Hopeless is quite possibly scum for his latest posts. When he got back to the thread i got the same impression you posted. I don't/didn't think VE had a good case. In fact i kinda liked how Hopeless answered the case. Oh yeah that's the third thing. Why was Hopeless' response to the case bad (that's why you think he is scum, right)?
This is most assuredly NOT what happened and means you have read nothing of the interaction. VE's scum read on me is that i said his logic was bad WHILE saying hopeless' reaction was scummy. I can call out more than one person even if they are calling out each other because a) bussing is a major thing that's happening each game and b) my read on hopeless was weak and ve's push looked scummy
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@HFwhat do you think about what I said about VE?
@Rayn, why would the first thing you post be a long post to HF about his interaction with another player rather than your promised case? Especially when you are so firm in that templars is mafia?
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On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote:I woke up and read the thread but I'm so confused now. I see your scum reads but I actually do not understand why anyone looks scummy at all for the first three hours. Pretty much entirely neutral reads save maybe one or two in that time period, maybe I should read it again. Pre-post edit: I read the last few pages in reverse order and it mostly made sense. Hmm. This post is being made using information up to this post.VE looks suspicious to me. Disclaimer: I am a terrible player Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare knows that me being sure of my reads doesn't make me scum. He knows this. I can't fathom why he'd call me scummy if he's town. I literally can't. Because, in some games of mafia, people use slightly different logic and games turn out differently than others! Woah! Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly. So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off? Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 17:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not you, I don't 100% commit to my reads that easily I'm not 100% committed to my read. LMAO Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. Which of these is the lie? Also Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not even dealing in absolutes. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 16:38 Alakaslam wrote:
VE what about hopeless1der He's probably still mafia. But HF first. Because he's a danger to town. Hopeless is just a danger of being annoyingly defensive. HF will lead you into oblivion. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I know that these posts are an hour apart, but I don't think you can say someone is probably mafia but predict they will flip town. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez drew a picture of me <3
Chez top town FOR LIFE!!!!!! This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler. Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Post 100 in this quicktopic proves that Hopeless CAN NOT think I'm mafia here for thinking he's mafia because he's seen me play this game THIS WAY RECENTLY. It's true that the circumstances are a little different, I had replaced into that game and there was a lot of stuff to draw from in the thread - the salient point though is that I found a mafia for what may SEEM to be shaky reasoning IMMEDIATELY and pushed on it hard against one of the louder voices in the thread. IMMEDIATELY. He knows this is how I play as town, and now he would have you believe that he thinks I'm mafia. Don't believe his lies. I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds. Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent.
Three things in this post:
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![[image loading]](http://i60.tinypic.com/a0hp2g.jpg)
This is the most damning thing. He has read the thread. I don't care if it's backwards or upside down.
Still he makes a case based on not the whole thread!! Why? It doesn't make any sense. He even says "the last pages make more sense", but hey, still a case based on stuff that didn't make sense (earlier)..
It's like making a case without actually making a case -- which is scummy. "Let's see if someone pushes this i can always back down if needed" (notice he doesn't even commit to his case -- no vote, no further pressure on VE).
2) Excuses. "I am bad do not listen to me". Basic stuff. Townies want to be listened. Mafia want to hide. I don't think this needs any explanation.
3) "Yo i don't have time to read other stuff now gotta do X". Don't care what you need to do because noone asked. Again, excuses before even being accused. Also compare this with #1. "I have read the thread but i don't have time to focus on other stuff (than VE) now. Why would he need to focus on other stuff if VE is mafia? He's got a fucking case he just wrote!! If he thinks VE is mafia he (1) doesn't need to focus on anything else and (2) needs to vote. Did he actually think VE is mafia? 
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On November 21 2014 02:02 Damdred wrote:
@Rayn, why would the first thing you post be a long post to HF about his interaction with another player rather than your promised case? Especially when you are so firm in that templars is mafia?
because i wanted Hopeless to answer me about his scummy shit.
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Like who the fuck -- as town -- writes "This dude is mafia but BTW I AM A TERRIBLE PLAYER!!!"
It's like begging to not be listened.
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On November 21 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 00:19 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 20 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wwhy the fuck would being absolute be scummy?
i must be mafia in every game then.... are you dense or some shit? read the thread No u. I know exactly what ve has said and there is nothing scummy in it. So either you are twisting the facts which makes you mafia, or maybe you should read the thread... Or maybe you just went insane. Idk yet. But we should still kill templar. I'll explain when i get off work and then you can all sheep me and i can be confirmed town. On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.
ritoky i am the king of vague statements. If I am saying that VE's logic doesn't actually make someone mafia etc etc and he's saying it does and I'm mafia for not seeing that and here you are defending ve's logic saying there's nothing scummy with it (thereby nothing wrong with it at all) how come you aren't scum reading hopeless at all!? either you: 1) Agree with ve and then you would be scum reading hopeless (you already said you don't think what ve did was scummy) or 2) you disagree with ve saying that hopeless is scummy and therefore agree with ME if the answer is number 2 then your post means nothing and is actually discrediting me for no reason because you aren't reading the thread, if your answer is number 1 then there's something wrong with your mindset because you don't scum read hopeless in your read post and you are probably mafia That is not the point Holyflare. My point is you called out VE's logic before you gave Hopeless a chance to defend himself (or overreact/scumtell whatever if he is mafia) against VE. At the time you at least must assume there is a chance that VE is town and Hopeless is mafia. Unless you had a really strong townread on Hopeless (which you didn't) you do not shut down cases on him, regardless of how good/bad the case is. It is just retarded (just like answering to questions asked from other people -- you know what i am talking about) and i don't really get why did you do that in the first place because i KNOW you think what i just said is a fact. That's why i called you weird. Now you seem to be having a scumread on Hopeless. Cool. Now why the hell are you fixated in VE??? You called his actions scummy but you do not think it makes him mafia. Fuck, let it go then if it does not make him mafia. What's the point???? You know VE, he "doesn't negotiate with terrorists" and i can't understand what are you possibly trying to achieve treating like you do -- from town perspective. It just doesn't make sense because he'll shut down towards you and you will at each other and if you are both town then fuck this game because it's gonna be ruined. That's my 2c on you, and if possible i'd like you to explain your actions i was talking about. Give me the town motivation because i do not see it. Also yes, i think Hopeless is quite possibly scum for his latest posts. When he got back to the thread i got the same impression you posted. I don't/didn't think VE had a good case. In fact i kinda liked how Hopeless answered the case. Oh yeah that's the third thing. Why was Hopeless' response to the case bad (that's why you think he is scum, right)? This is most assuredly NOT what happened and means you have read nothing of the interaction. VE's scum read on me is that i said his logic was bad WHILE saying hopeless' reaction was scummy. I can call out more than one person even if they are calling out each other because a) bussing is a major thing that's happening each game and b) my read on hopeless was weak and ve's push looked scummy
I am not sure you understand what i was talking about in the part you colored red.
I was talking about the fact that VE made a case on Hopeless. You called the case bad before Hopeless answered it.
right?
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Like you literally gave Hopeless an out against VE's argument (the QT thing) without any reason.
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On November 21 2014 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote:On November 21 2014 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 00:19 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 20 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wwhy the fuck would being absolute be scummy?
i must be mafia in every game then.... are you dense or some shit? read the thread No u. I know exactly what ve has said and there is nothing scummy in it. So either you are twisting the facts which makes you mafia, or maybe you should read the thread... Or maybe you just went insane. Idk yet. But we should still kill templar. I'll explain when i get off work and then you can all sheep me and i can be confirmed town. On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.
ritoky i am the king of vague statements. If I am saying that VE's logic doesn't actually make someone mafia etc etc and he's saying it does and I'm mafia for not seeing that and here you are defending ve's logic saying there's nothing scummy with it (thereby nothing wrong with it at all) how come you aren't scum reading hopeless at all!? either you: 1) Agree with ve and then you would be scum reading hopeless (you already said you don't think what ve did was scummy) or 2) you disagree with ve saying that hopeless is scummy and therefore agree with ME if the answer is number 2 then your post means nothing and is actually discrediting me for no reason because you aren't reading the thread, if your answer is number 1 then there's something wrong with your mindset because you don't scum read hopeless in your read post and you are probably mafia That is not the point Holyflare. My point is you called out VE's logic before you gave Hopeless a chance to defend himself (or overreact/scumtell whatever if he is mafia) against VE. At the time you at least must assume there is a chance that VE is town and Hopeless is mafia. Unless you had a really strong townread on Hopeless (which you didn't) you do not shut down cases on him, regardless of how good/bad the case is. It is just retarded (just like answering to questions asked from other people -- you know what i am talking about) and i don't really get why did you do that in the first place because i KNOW you think what i just said is a fact. That's why i called you weird. Now you seem to be having a scumread on Hopeless. Cool. Now why the hell are you fixated in VE??? You called his actions scummy but you do not think it makes him mafia. Fuck, let it go then if it does not make him mafia. What's the point???? You know VE, he "doesn't negotiate with terrorists" and i can't understand what are you possibly trying to achieve treating like you do -- from town perspective. It just doesn't make sense because he'll shut down towards you and you will at each other and if you are both town then fuck this game because it's gonna be ruined. That's my 2c on you, and if possible i'd like you to explain your actions i was talking about. Give me the town motivation because i do not see it. Also yes, i think Hopeless is quite possibly scum for his latest posts. When he got back to the thread i got the same impression you posted. I don't/didn't think VE had a good case. In fact i kinda liked how Hopeless answered the case. Oh yeah that's the third thing. Why was Hopeless' response to the case bad (that's why you think he is scum, right)? This is most assuredly NOT what happened and means you have read nothing of the interaction. VE's scum read on me is that i said his logic was bad WHILE saying hopeless' reaction was scummy. I can call out more than one person even if they are calling out each other because a) bussing is a major thing that's happening each game and b) my read on hopeless was weak and ve's push looked scummy I am not sure you understand what i was talking about in the part you colored red. I was talking about the fact that VE made a case on Hopeless. You called the case bad before Hopeless answered it. right?
HF's read on me is based entirely on my answering VE's case. wtf rayn. Also, your timeline picture is wrong on templar. He literally links the post "this post is based on". Its the one directly before his own.
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On November 21 2014 02:17 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote:On November 21 2014 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 00:19 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 20 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:On November 20 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wwhy the fuck would being absolute be scummy?
i must be mafia in every game then.... are you dense or some shit? read the thread No u. I know exactly what ve has said and there is nothing scummy in it. So either you are twisting the facts which makes you mafia, or maybe you should read the thread... Or maybe you just went insane. Idk yet. But we should still kill templar. I'll explain when i get off work and then you can all sheep me and i can be confirmed town. On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.
ritoky i am the king of vague statements. If I am saying that VE's logic doesn't actually make someone mafia etc etc and he's saying it does and I'm mafia for not seeing that and here you are defending ve's logic saying there's nothing scummy with it (thereby nothing wrong with it at all) how come you aren't scum reading hopeless at all!? either you: 1) Agree with ve and then you would be scum reading hopeless (you already said you don't think what ve did was scummy) or 2) you disagree with ve saying that hopeless is scummy and therefore agree with ME if the answer is number 2 then your post means nothing and is actually discrediting me for no reason because you aren't reading the thread, if your answer is number 1 then there's something wrong with your mindset because you don't scum read hopeless in your read post and you are probably mafia That is not the point Holyflare. My point is you called out VE's logic before you gave Hopeless a chance to defend himself (or overreact/scumtell whatever if he is mafia) against VE. At the time you at least must assume there is a chance that VE is town and Hopeless is mafia. Unless you had a really strong townread on Hopeless (which you didn't) you do not shut down cases on him, regardless of how good/bad the case is. It is just retarded (just like answering to questions asked from other people -- you know what i am talking about) and i don't really get why did you do that in the first place because i KNOW you think what i just said is a fact. That's why i called you weird. Now you seem to be having a scumread on Hopeless. Cool. Now why the hell are you fixated in VE??? You called his actions scummy but you do not think it makes him mafia. Fuck, let it go then if it does not make him mafia. What's the point???? You know VE, he "doesn't negotiate with terrorists" and i can't understand what are you possibly trying to achieve treating like you do -- from town perspective. It just doesn't make sense because he'll shut down towards you and you will at each other and if you are both town then fuck this game because it's gonna be ruined. That's my 2c on you, and if possible i'd like you to explain your actions i was talking about. Give me the town motivation because i do not see it. Also yes, i think Hopeless is quite possibly scum for his latest posts. When he got back to the thread i got the same impression you posted. I don't/didn't think VE had a good case. In fact i kinda liked how Hopeless answered the case. Oh yeah that's the third thing. Why was Hopeless' response to the case bad (that's why you think he is scum, right)? This is most assuredly NOT what happened and means you have read nothing of the interaction. VE's scum read on me is that i said his logic was bad WHILE saying hopeless' reaction was scummy. I can call out more than one person even if they are calling out each other because a) bussing is a major thing that's happening each game and b) my read on hopeless was weak and ve's push looked scummy I am not sure you understand what i was talking about in the part you colored red. I was talking about the fact that VE made a case on Hopeless. You called the case bad before Hopeless answered it. right? HF's read on me is based entirely on my answering VE's case. wtf rayn. Also, your timeline picture is wrong on templar. He literally links the post "this post is based on". Its the one directly before his own.
Well then it's even worse. I didn't even click the link because why would you need to say "hey this is the last post i saw when i started writing my post"?!?!?
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HOpeless rayn has posed his case will ou please answer me now?
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On November 21 2014 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you literally gave Hopeless an out against VE's argument (the QT thing) without any reason.
The reason was VE's argument was bad. Shitty example: It'd be like me saying "GB says the sky is green". Do you need to wait for GB to come in and tell you I lied? p.s. wheres GB
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Whats the vote count. I feel like 5 different people have votes
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Also the fact that Templar's vote is on liancourt (who is almost definitely town) and him asking Holyflare if he reads him scum or not doesn't really help him.
So Hopeless, when you read Templar's post do you get the feeling he actually thinks VE is mafia?
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