On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: List of people we're not lynching today: Artanis Snickers VisceraEyes Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case.
Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town?
Chez ur on the table today. Unless you can coherently tell me why you're suspicious of...whoever, then I'd consider lynching you today.
I thought you loved me...
On June 22 2014 10:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 22 2014 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 22 2014 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Woop woop. From those two I prefer BH. I think BH's scum capabilities are far stronger than slOosh and I think slOosh has played a good game on D1 and N2.
I tend to agree, though I can't just let go of the fact that he went absent during a scum lynch.
What do you make of my observation right at the outset of N2, I'll quote to refresh ur memory.
On June 21 2014 23:16 VisceraEyes wrote: So I have been thinking about it lying in bed. If GK was killed for being so close to the truth where mderg is concerned, then I think a mafia BH would probably follow up the GK kill with a push on VE to ensure that mderg isn't targeted. A GK kill doesn't make sense followed up with a hard mderg push from a mafiaBH perspective I think. GK was getting suspicious of me before he was killed, so it makes sense from my perspective.
BH this means I'm giving you a pass tomorrow. I don't mean to offend, but PLEASE don't waste 90% of it blathering on about how confirmed town you are and how godly you are and shit. That's annoying and doesn't help anyone find mafia, not even you.
I believe I need to refresh your memory.
On June 22 2014 02:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually VE, I went through goodkarma's filter and he's not really suspecting mderg in my opinion. There were other people that he definitely pushed harder like BH and Release. Where do you get it from that he died because he was close to finding out mderg?
On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:
On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: List of people we're not lynching today: Artanis Snickers VisceraEyes Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case.
Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town?
I'm not sure why you're confirmed town.
Cause they said so..
On June 21 2014 03:01 Chezinu wrote: I have looked at everyone posts and came to a conclusion.
People who think Chezinu is town: 2. VisceraEyes 3. YouKnowZhou 5. Snickers 7. Lazermonkey 8. Release 9. mderg 10. Artanis[Xp] 11. Koshi 12. slOosh
Chezinu is town
The mafia are never wrong when it comes to knowing who is town. They are too scared to risk stating that I am Mafia. So, I just your untypical lunatic. It's Great to be Confirmed Town!
I have never stated that I have a strong townread on you. I'm only mildly reading you as town because your votes have been in the right place in the end and because mderg has pushed you. You haven't really provided much so it's difficult for anyone to get a read on you, town or scum.
On June 22 2014 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Must have missed that.
On June 17 2014 22:37 goodkarma wrote:
On June 17 2014 21:42 mderg wrote:
On June 17 2014 21:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
On June 17 2014 20:42 mderg wrote:
On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote: So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever.
Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here.
Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh.
Ultimately we've got:
+- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town
For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument.
As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him.
##Vote: mderg
That´s some solid reasoning there. At least be specific in some way. Right now your case on me is basically that my post feels kinda scummy. Also I can assure you that it´s not all you get from me this cycle. "You may theoretically not post any more in this cycle, so I´m fine lynching you". Like you´re not even interested in my play and just want me lynched for starting the game a bit late. Overall a really lazy vote on me without much to back it up.
Wait a minute. If his case on you is that your posts feel kinda scummy then it makes perfect sense. If you agree with his reasoning, however, is another story.
It would make sense to read someone as scum, if his posts feel scummy. But that´s not why you vote someone. The case sucks because it´s highly subjective and has no real substance. I think making a case just based on a post feeling scummy is terrible.
It is worth mentioning that a vote on you up until you suddenly came to life was a lurker vote. Like magic, a vote is cast on you and you come alive not to pursue any of your reads, but to defend yourself.
Would you mind clarifying your read on Release? This is the point you're most wishy-washy about in your opening post. Like apparently unflipped people piling on him gives you townie vibes, while a virtually nonexistent case made by Artansis makes you think he's looking scummy? And said nonexistent case is stronger than sloosh's case? Please do explain.
This was the post that solidified my read on mderg - he mentioned something I also noticed (and mentioned actually) and he ended up dying in the night. However beyond this you're right, at the end of the day he ended up on the "mderg town" side of things. :/
Frankly the only thing I can see GK being killed for is either a busted role-hunt or to implicate me somehow (he ended up scummy on me at the end of the day). Good to know.
Yeah, I don't think he was killed because he had a strong read on mderg. He might've simply been killed because his critical thinking was strong and I did explicitly point out a strong post of his, which might've cemented his fate. His death incriminates YKZ and Release more than you, I feel, as he was on their asses for more of the game.
On June 22 2014 10:19 Release wrote:
On June 21 2014 18:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No Release, I'm desperate to give someone bonus points. Now stop focussing on Snickers, he's not scum. Your attention is better suited for just about anyone that isn't me/snickers/lazer.
On June 21 2014 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:14 Koshi wrote: Artanis probably meant the mderg vote. If it brought Snickers in the lead it looks pretty good for Snickers. Snickers was on mderg his ass so mderg might have gotten greedy. Mderg didnt move to bh when he could, so why move to a teammate?
I am back condemned to phone posting for today.
My fav lynch for tomorrkw is VE or lazermonkey. I agree that the vote put it him the spotlight but it was so obviously extremely strange. I dont see why town would do it.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I think your lynch targets are bad though. Also, the town reasoning should be obvious; he thought YKZ was more scummy than mderg, so he tried to get YKZ lynched.
Please explain like I'm 5 why Snickers (and you and lazer) were supposed to be confirmed town. Also, why lazer is no longer in such a position.
Snickers is confirmed town because Mderg delurked to vote him last minute which put him over the edge in votes. I'm confirmed town because read the game. Lazer was confirmed town because of his late vote that felt too scummy to be scum, but I'm rescinding that because other things in his filter ring some alarms that make me uncertain if that is true.
I'm going to bed now.
Good, you were getting a bit sleep deprived with your reads on me.
Operaton End FISH RIP is over! Unless you wake up feeling better about me.
PS: Day 5 is the key.
He told him that operation "End FISH RIP" aka "Friendship" is over. You know what happened next? Yeah, he died..
On June 26 2014 05:42 Chezinu wrote: ##Vote Lazermonkey
ezpz.
I'm totally going to day tonight right? Well, at least VE died first. I did say I was talk to The Sheriff with him. GG
Smilie face... A STINKING SMILIE FACE!! Do you know what this means?!?!? If Lazermonkey is scum, then Chezinu is totally bussing him and in his arrogance Trolling with all of town!!
Oh wait.. nm.. I guess that wouldn't work for you LM.... I guess you couldn't possibly make a fake case against me.. All those smilies... all the cryptic messages.. what is town to do?
On June 30 2014 12:25 Snickers wrote: Can I get multiple views on this.
Did I claim role at the right time? I think one of the criteria is be confirmed town. I will also try to bread crumb better.
Your claim timing was fine. You don't need to be confirmed town to claim. All you have to do is be convincing. Breadcrumbs are okay I guess but I don't bother with them myself. I feel that if I'm in a position where I need to claim I can prove it's real anyway, and it's always possible to forge fake breadcrumbs later out of posts you've made if you were scum.
On June 30 2014 12:26 Chezinu wrote:
On June 30 2014 12:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 30 2014 12:08 Release wrote:
On June 30 2014 12:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I wonder if anyone knows why I read Chez as confirmed town.
I'll spoil you. I was sure you were town when your first response to a VE lynch was looking at the votes and calling me scum. I knew scum shot me the night before so for a scum Chezinu have the first reaction to a town lynch be to check the votes and call someone they just shot scum was inconceivably unlikely to me.
why you and not slOosh?
Red/Blue blindness. I don't know how. I just know who is special.
On June 30 2014 09:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I saved myself on N2 you numbnuggets.
I was fully prepared to make a case on how "Artanis must have saved Release" N2. Never cam to that.
My initial read on you was right. Stupid town consensus townreading you leading to me townreading you as well Did get you from the grave though! PMed this to Kurumi 30 min before deadline.
Original Message From Artanis[Xp]: Going with a Koshi/Release scumteam. Honestly hope Koshi is scum more than anything because this'd be a really sad display of his towngame if it is.
On June 30 2014 09:12 Koshi wrote: Who did you safe on N1 Artanis?
I saved GK until 30 min before deadline when I switched to SlOosh even though my townread on him was weaker just because I thought he was more likely to get shot.
You attacked me and reconsidered. I felt that a VT would have gone ham and probed for information (like Snickers, who actually turned out to be Detective) for longer than 1 post before changing their mind.
I don't think my role was related to that honestly. I noticed a town consensus against it and felt my read wasn't strong enough to continue, but I might be biased in it. I've changed my opinions a lot this game.
On D1 I decided to go for a different style this time. Usually I just spout all my reads into the thread but I tried asking questions more now to see who had similar thought processes as me. Landed me a townread on GK, but eventually I just fell back into my usual routine after D1
I felt the VE and Lazer lynches were easily avoidable. VE played to his current town meta to a tee and BH should be ashamed of lynching him. Lazer shit townie bricks on D4 whereas Koshi went afk and I can't believe you guys lynched Lazer over Koshi that day.
Yeah my original plan was to fakeclaim that I checked lazer and then 24 hours later said I was faking it and then say the real check was Koshi. I wasn't expecting snickers to claim. Then I was thinking about switching sooner, but then realized town was adamant to lynching lazer (to determine sanity-which some say was unaviodable cause it was most likely true cause numbers of green checks) then I got busy in RL.
mderg broke Chezinu Rule and I missed it - sloosh caught it though. So it still stands. He was first to accuse me/call me scum/scummy.
I really struggled with reaction reading. I guessed you were medic/mafia. I thought snickers was red/blue and koshi red/blue as said in thread. Earlier I thought VE was mafia cause no one was accusing me, so I thought mafia loved me. Sorry VE. After VE died, I thought about Koshi cause of absence/big name rule and then snickers roleclaim/death confirmed. Release... I just didn't read any of his posts.. I didn't read much this game. TY BH tldr chez tier!! HELPED A LOT!!!
Other than that I got bored and trolled a lot.. oh and if you didn't figure it out from me or day posts. The Sheriff was the Kurumi and I was being a rebel.
To bring back an old and forgotten tradition: THANK YOU KURUMI FOR HOSTING!!!
On the Day of the Brown, the town will be thankful for their lives. For the day will mark the end of the blue. With no more sadness nor sorrow, town will give with cheerful hearts. However, the Day of the Brown comes with a sacrifice that makes it all possible. For at the end of the day, someone will hang.
On November 27 2014 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure. Damdred claiming vig changes things, because he's confirmed mafia to me. So to me he's the best lynch today (guaranteed to hit mafia).
But SL is right, we should be trying to hit the roleblocker. I think Damdred fakeclaiming makes him NOT the roleblocker - he has to know that me pushing for his lynch based on his claim is a possibility, so him being the roleblocker and making that action doesn't make much sense.
I'd like rayn to explain why he thinks Chez is the medic...right now I'm voting for him based on that information, but checking it I can't find any kind of claim so I want to know what's up with that.
Regarding the bolded part, we should definitely NOT make this our priority. We are in LYLO we don't have the luxury of being picky with which mafia we hit. We should lynch the most likely mafia. Period. If that person happens to be roleblocker, then that is great for us. If not, we are still in LYLO and haven't lost the game.
So in that vein (outside of damdred who from your perspective is 100% mafia) who is the next most likely mafia?
Please notify if anything is wrong or needs to be corrected.
updated
Lol, he did have me down as voting.
On November 26 2014 00:38 GlowingBear wrote: EBWOP:
Bah, my thoughts:
Lynch slam. I've already gave reasons, but summary: in this game, he isn't having any attempt to solve the game. He is just commenting stuff and being trolley. He is trolly as town also, but when he is town, when he sees that people are going to the wrong direction, he comes to the thread and drops very insightful things. This didn't happen once in the game. He also cluttered the thread a few times, which, for me, is a scum trait. I kept it going on to see where he would go. If he flips scum, check if there was something important going on during those times. Also, this is WIFOM, but: with his medic image, it looked like he was trying to fish blue. Also, WIFOM, but I find hard to believe that KillerSOS wagon was pure town. If that is so, slam is mafia
Then, go after sick lucker. The reason ISN'T that he is giving bad reads. The reason is that he noob claimed like three times but he is acting very confident when participating in the game. This is completely scummy. If you are a new player and you assume you're a new player, you would be confused, asking questions, etc., and NOT being certain that someone is scum. He is because he has perfect information.
Then, if those two were mafia, go against Chez. He has done nothing and it's already night2. He was mostly wasting his votes. His vote switch from lian to sick lucker to Templar was EXTREMELY scummy. A lynch on sick lucker could happen and he switched to Templar because...? If sick lucker really flips red, I would lynch Chez without hesitation.
I may have being wrong on ritoky, I don't know. He is null for me at the moment. But he has scummy traits.
Inquire lian for wasting his votes two times in a row.
On November 22 2014 10:51 Holyflare wrote: I think you should all just sheep me onto hopeless though that would be very cool
Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs
But why hopeless over killersos
because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing
On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote: Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together.
Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE.
Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable.
On November 27 2014 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure. Damdred claiming vig changes things, because he's confirmed mafia to me. So to me he's the best lynch today (guaranteed to hit mafia).
But SL is right, we should be trying to hit the roleblocker. I think Damdred fakeclaiming makes him NOT the roleblocker - he has to know that me pushing for his lynch based on his claim is a possibility, so him being the roleblocker and making that action doesn't make much sense.
I'd like rayn to explain why he thinks Chez is the medic...right now I'm voting for him based on that information, but checking it I can't find any kind of claim so I want to know what's up with that.
Regarding the bolded part, we should definitely NOT make this our priority. We are in LYLO we don't have the luxury of being picky with which mafia we hit. We should lynch the most likely mafia. Period. If that person happens to be roleblocker, then that is great for us. If not, we are still in LYLO and haven't lost the game.
So in that vein (outside of damdred who from your perspective is 100% mafia) who is the next most likely mafia?
Frankly I'd lynch either of Slam or Chez. I prefer Chez to Slam just on effort and content alone, but rayn also thinks he's claimed medic somewhere. I'm not sure what to think about the RB claims. I'm going to take some time tomorrow (maybe whilst digesting turkey) to peruse the two RB claim filters to see what I see there. I think I'm okayish with GB. He is saying some insane things, but I've seen him do that as town. I don't know, with Slam and Chez in the game at this point regardless of their alignment, just based on their playstyle it's so hard to say. But I think Chez is mafia based on how little crap is in his filter. Like...there just isn't anything there compared to everyone else. Cryptic opinions and riddles. Like, I generally don't mind, but this game the actual content is so buried and convoluted (to my eyes) that I have to assume it's anti-town motivated. When he's town you can tell at least who he finds suspicious and why...mostly.
But yeah, that's where I'm at. Chez>Slam>Decide to lynch deeper into "non-confirmed" (GB) or start lynching into "soft-confirmed" (FF, SL, VE).
I will probably never lynch ritoky and rayn. Probably. Hopefully I don't live long enough to like, maybe have to.
You'll notice that I left Damdred out. I'm shooting his ass TONIGHT. So they either RB me and ritoky gets to medic someone, or they RB ritoky and lose Damdred.
Like they can't kill me because that outs Damdred as mafia. So ritoky has to be on someone other than me - preferably rayn in case they like, have another Lugar or whatever...but they'll most assuredly kill ritoky tonight, leaving us to find 2 more mafia tomorrow with only rayn as confirmed town. But yeah tomorrow is when town picks either VE or Damdred. I think today with ritoky and rayn both alive we have more pro-town influence and we can choose between other people - forcing them to kill ritoky tonight or risk a no-kill night.
Damdred talks about "I'll kill VE tonight" but he can't - I'll 100% be alive tomorrow or it outs Damdred as mafia. Medic shouldn't even CONSIDER being on me tonight.
And I'll say in advance (because I know it's coming) but I'm focusing on tonight/tomorrow because today is a guaranteed scum lynch for me. If we can't decide on a good enough lynch, then we can lynch Damdred because rayn knows I'm town and he'll agree to lynch Damdred if it comes to that. But I think Chez is mafia, and Chez is presently set to be lynched and I don't think any townie in the game isn't willing to lynch Chezinu at this point. He's making it real easy for us, and frankly I'm fine putting this one on him if he's town. I don't think he is. I don't really care about today's lynch, I'm looking at tomorrow's lynch.
On November 27 2014 17:58 Fecalfeast wrote: Like I know you said both but why is chezinu higher on the list
I said why I prefer Chez. Alakaslam, while having a similar feel to his posts (cryptic, intentionally unreadable) there's actual opinions and content that is clear in Slam's posts. That's why I prefer Chez - his content is hidden and indecipherable while Slam's is not.
EPT
