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On November 24 2014 08:24 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Fuck this, I was going to write this after I have reevaluated day2 interactions but people don't want to play. I'll write it now and do the things I should be doing.
Alright, VE and Rayn can't be both mafia. If they fake claimed together mafia would lose 2 players. Not a winning strategy.
There is noone pushing them so we can assume, for now, that the claims were true.
There -are a lot people that aren't insightful in this game. I'm starting to fear the most active players are all town fighting each other.
I also believe that mafia would push me for the "scummy" vote. HF is dead and Rayn is probably town, so it leaves ritoky as possible mafia. Specially if you realise that he blames me for killing SOS but he didn't try to convince others that hopeless was a better lynch.
Mafia was probably split into the wagons too. Two if the three main wagons flipped green, which means they were probat out of danger in a way they didn't have to consolidate.
You can say whatever you want about Chezinu, but he wasted his vote on day 1, and so did lian.
I will GUESS the scum team. It means I don't have strong reasons. It's a guess.
Slam, ritoky, lian, sick lucker
This is my list of preference, then. Slam and sick lucker first, ritoky at the very end.
I may not lynch ritoky today and if you give me another opinion (Chezinu, FF), I'm open to it, since I'm hating thee both players too.
Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today.
Damdred is townish because he had the same read as I on VE on early game and he sounds like town damdred (gut feeling)
Rayn and VE probably town for claiming.
I don't care for FF's roleblock claim. read on VE and rayn, obvious read is obvious whining about people not playing you're wrong about me and have yet to state a reason i am scum wifom about vote splitting people wasting their votes, followed by no pressure scum team with no provided reasons i didn't provide reasons, but let me create a backdoor cuz i know i am wrong on ritoky cuz i have perfect information first actual read of the post airball read on damdred is that enough of an explanation of how they are shallow?
WIFOM?
Do you sincerely believe mafia consolidated in just one wagon?
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Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.
I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?
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On November 24 2014 08:29 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 08:26 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 08:24 ritoky wrote:On November 24 2014 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Fuck this, I was going to write this after I have reevaluated day2 interactions but people don't want to play. I'll write it now and do the things I should be doing.
Alright, VE and Rayn can't be both mafia. If they fake claimed together mafia would lose 2 players. Not a winning strategy.
There is noone pushing them so we can assume, for now, that the claims were true.
There -are a lot people that aren't insightful in this game. I'm starting to fear the most active players are all town fighting each other.
I also believe that mafia would push me for the "scummy" vote. HF is dead and Rayn is probably town, so it leaves ritoky as possible mafia. Specially if you realise that he blames me for killing SOS but he didn't try to convince others that hopeless was a better lynch.
Mafia was probably split into the wagons too. Two if the three main wagons flipped green, which means they were probat out of danger in a way they didn't have to consolidate.
You can say whatever you want about Chezinu, but he wasted his vote on day 1, and so did lian.
I will GUESS the scum team. It means I don't have strong reasons. It's a guess.
Slam, ritoky, lian, sick lucker
This is my list of preference, then. Slam and sick lucker first, ritoky at the very end.
I may not lynch ritoky today and if you give me another opinion (Chezinu, FF), I'm open to it, since I'm hating thee both players too.
Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today.
Damdred is townish because he had the same read as I on VE on early game and he sounds like town damdred (gut feeling)
Rayn and VE probably town for claiming.
I don't care for FF's roleblock claim. read on VE and rayn, obvious read is obvious whining about people not playing you're wrong about me and have yet to state a reason i am scum wifom about vote splitting people wasting their votes, followed by no pressure scum team with no provided reasons i didn't provide reasons, but let me create a backdoor cuz i know i am wrong on ritoky cuz i have perfect information first actual read of the post airball read on damdred is that enough of an explanation of how they are shallow? WIFOM? Do you sincerely believe mafia consolidated in just one wagon? probably not, but i don't profess to know scum motivations; why do you?
Because that is a standard in most games?
Look at the vote count.
4
3
3
1
1
It looks so much that scum splitter their votes.
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On November 24 2014 08:30 sicklucker wrote:
Glowingbear I hateyour read on ritoky btw its not helping me see you as non scum.
I don't care. Lynch me if you will. But give me your other mafia reads.
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People, I'm not trying to defend myself anymore.
Maybe it's even better that town mislynches me so people don't waste day3 still debating me.
So you guys that decided your votes on me, let's talk about the others. I'm afraid we are still too much disorganised.
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On November 24 2014 08:37 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."
@GB
Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him
Ok. Motives I have scumread Templar1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward 2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?) 3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum. 4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker) Motives I am now townreading Templar:1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads) 2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum) 3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period. This is a pros and cons list. I didnt ask for this. I want you to tell me your thought process on how your read EVOLVED from when temp posted his case on SL and when you voted him scum because of it and what you were thinking when you were "pushing" him. Also on what you were thinking when you wanted validation on your being town by asking temp reasons on why you were town. And then your final thoughts upon making that list post calling temp town.
My read on him evolved while I started pressuring him. The question about me being town was important because if he said I was scum, it means he was keeping his options open. He read me as null, which is not good but it's not a scumread. Then I started thinking about these town traits he has.
What I'm saying with that pros and cons is that I started reevaluating those traits
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On November 24 2014 08:38 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."
@GB
Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him
Ok. Motives I have scumread Templar1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward 2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?) 3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum. 4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker) Motives I am now townreading Templar:1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads) 2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum) 3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period. id like to talk about this post. Tell me how this makes temp town. Reason three is bad because mafia will townread people a good bit of the time yea? Why are you an easy lynch? Why should you town read someone on that? I think you said in another post that you think actives are mafia, why is this a town tell for temp in this case? I'm partial to SL being scum but what other read or push has temp done today that causes you to say this?
Damdy, I'm not townreading temp town reads me (he doesn't). I'm town reading him for trying to push another lynch that isn't me. This is not the same as simply calling someone town.
He is the main wagon. I second that because of the hopeless thing. So, I'm and easy lynch for that suspicious vote. He is forcing a more difficult read
Why are you PARTIAL when you made a case on sick lucker?
Do you want to lynch slam?
I think INACTIVES are mafia. You read me wrong.
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On November 24 2014 08:43 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 08:36 GlowingBear wrote:
People, I'm not trying to defend myself anymore.
Maybe it's even better that town mislynches me so people don't waste day3 still debating me.
So you guys that decided your votes on me, let's talk about the others. I'm afraid we are still too much disorganised. This isn't protown GB and you know it martyring never saved town anything and if we lynch you to not debate you tommorow what would we be stuck on then? Temp? Chez? Slam? Optimum play is to scum hunt defend yourself when necessary and push your lynch so stop it
Don't get me wrong, I'm putting all my reads into the thread. I'm having a hard time to reason them because of inactivity. Unfortunately, it's most likely a gut read.
But Slam, man. He is just not trying. It's different from any game I've played with him. He would come sometimes to put town in the right direction. He isn't doing this this time. He is just commenting and peacing out. He also is refusing to give information (when I say refusing I'm not saying actively refusing, but ignoring questions, for example), which is something he teaches his coachees.
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On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.
I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners? can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you
This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum.
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On November 24 2014 08:47 sicklucker wrote:
Ya you should never let yourself get mislynched in this game. I dont care what people told me in the other game its just stupid. If you know your town, leading people to vote anyone else besides you increases chance to catch scum.
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So you're not seeing I'm doing it?
I don't have to defend myself, I have to catch scum. I don't care if you mislynch me.
What I'm trying to say is that maybe mislynching me is not detrimental to town because they will know my reads are genuine and they will have a lot to reevaluate. Also, people won't waste day3 debating that old hopeless discussion.
I've coached Breshke and Serejai. Townies.
Bah. But talking to you is like talking to a wall. You act like you know a lot from the game yet you bring the newbie card a lot.
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Actually.
That's pretty weird.
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On November 24 2014 09:00 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 08:37 liancourt wrote:On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."
@GB
Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him
Ok. Motives I have scumread Templar1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward 2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?) 3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum. 4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker) Motives I am now townreading Templar:1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads) 2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum) 3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period. This is a pros and cons list. I didnt ask for this. I want you to tell me your thought process on how your read EVOLVED from when temp posted his case on SL and when you voted him scum because of it and what you were thinking when you were "pushing" him. Also on what you were thinking when you wanted validation on your being town by asking temp reasons on why you were town. And then your final thoughts upon making that list post calling temp town. My read on him evolved while I started pressuring him. The question about me being town was important because if he said I was scum, it means he was keeping his options open. He read me as null, which is not good but it's not a scumread. Then I started thinking about these town traits he has. What I'm saying with that pros and cons is that I started reevaluating those traits you know you're re evaluating him for the same reasons as you saw him as scum and mafia can just as well say someone is town/null so easily and you take that action as him being townie and he made a "bait" case on SL which is like saying "guys this isn't a real case I just wanted to see if someone would take the bait, don't berate me for having bad logic". WTF is this? And now he has no scum reads. HIjole~ I just can't understand how you can call him scum and then revert back. It's like you wanted to prove to town that you could call him scum, but was afraid that it might get traction. And later when temp flips scum you can say you read him scum at one point.
Do you understand that's a horrible, horrible play to a mafia? To call his partner scum and suddenly flip his read? This draws so much attention it's insane.
So you think I'm able to stop his lynch from getting traction? Do you think I'm acting like I'm trying to save a possible scum partner (nobody knows his alignment yet) or that I'm actually trying to solve the game?
I've already explained damdred that thing you're talking about townreads. It's not the same thing.
I don't understand the bait thing. I thought he was being sarcastic
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On November 24 2014 09:04 sicklucker wrote:
Wait what Serejai said she didnt have a coach and that was evident from her play. I think breske said the same thing. Not super relevant but you could be lying for some reason here
Breshke posted it after endgame and Serejai said she wasn't using her coach.
I'm lynchig you. You could have just take a look at the endgame. Lol.
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On November 24 2014 09:08 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.
I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners? can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum. reads: VE - town rayn - still town lian - maybe town fecalfeast - very slight mafia lean damdred - leaning mafia templar - leaning mafia GB - mafia not particularly strong feelings on the rest, wouldnt be surprised if there's a mafia between slam and chez and i am wrong on someone.
I'm mafia calling 2 of my partners town when people are calling them scum.
Yeah, right.
Very deep reads you have here. Owait.
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On November 24 2014 09:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 09:10 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 09:08 ritoky wrote:On November 24 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.
I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners? can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum. reads: VE - town rayn - still town lian - maybe town fecalfeast - very slight mafia lean damdred - leaning mafia templar - leaning mafia GB - mafia not particularly strong feelings on the rest, wouldnt be surprised if there's a mafia between slam and chez and i am wrong on someone. I'm mafia calling 2 of my partners town when people are calling them scum. Yeah, right. Very deep reads you have here. Owait. told you i couldn't and would later, you bitch and whine that i won't even give you a hint; then i give them to you with the promise of explanation later, and you whine some more. like srsly you have 0 agenda with this other than to piss me off.
Yeah, take your time to find reasons behind your reads.
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I'm out people.
Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.
Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome.
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On November 24 2014 10:03 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 09:24 liancourt wrote:
@temp
was your SL case bait?
You said you don't like meta reads and yet you did a case based on one.
And you make a "sarcastic" post saying gb found the flaw in your case. WTF is this all about?
Personally, I don't trust meta reads done by other people, but I trust my own meta reads on people I've played with before. I don't trust your meta read on SL. Unless other people can back up your meta read on SL i'm not taking that case into consideration. No, my post before emphasizing how much I dislike meta reads was the 'bait'. The primary purpose was to see who was actually reading. Unfortunately, GB found it too quickly so it was pointless
This doesn't make sense.
1) What can you draw from people actually reading?
2) Why is it unfortunately, as it proved someone was reading?
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On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm out people.
Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.
Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome.
Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?
Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?
Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read him
If you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both.
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On November 24 2014 12:07 Chezinu wrote:
sicklucker
ritoky
liancourt
The_Templar
GlowingBear
Damdred
VisceraEyes
Alakaslam
Fecalfeast
raynpelikoneet
KillerSOS (4): The_Templar, Hopeless1der, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
hopeless1der (3): Holyflare, VisceraEyes, ritoky
sicklucker (3): Chezinu, Fecalfeast, Damdred
TheTemplar (2): liancourt, raynpelikoneet
liancourt (1): KillerSOS
Damdred (1): sicklucker
Uhm. You're reading slam as town?
And also... how do you believe lian and Templar are partners after all that had happened in the thread?
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On November 24 2014 11:49 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm out people.
Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.
Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome. Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read himIf you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both. Sorry just got home from work crazy day. I'll start off with Slam. I really don't know how to read slam, Oats or VE told me you can tell something about slams alignment how freely he posts and if he makes posts that actually make sense. If thats actually correct then he looks townish even if he was wrong on the kos. Templars is a really hard alignment for me, i had a town read going into the night with him with how he was thinking. But his night activity with hitting me over the head for thinking he was towny really set me back on him and left a bad taste in my mouth. He read me as pinkish at one point during the night (mafia lean) I take it, but now has me null by his last drawing, his case for today was some form of trap for people to stumble into which doesn't make much sense to me. He also said last night that if my play did not improve dramatically he would lynch me but besides a few posts in response to me hasn't really pushed me or tried to get me lynched despite my activity being low again today in fact he only mentioned my scum read SL and I think hes willing to vote with me. All of its really weird play when you consider last night and today and fell off activity wise so i'm moving him into my scum lean category
I disagree on slam, but what you've said about Templar is damning. That's really bad. But the bait thing, for it's craziness, is a town trait, not mafia. Unless I've got him and he lied about the bait thing to justify the contradiction.
Argh. I'm having such a hard time reading Templar..
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