On November 14 2014 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 14 2014 02:55 Elvis! wrote:
I'm not talking about you talking about confirming sicklucker but himself.
Look how many of his posts are "I'm town because", "I'm definitely not scum because [WIFOM]".
Again this doesn't make anyone mafia. I do that a lot. Like REALLY A LOT... as town.
If you make it that doesn't make it townie play. Also, WIFOM.
Also, where did I ignore questions directed at me?
You can't be serious? I JUST re-asked the question,. I even UNDERLINED the part!!!
There was one request you did not even a day ago. Calm down.
Did you see what the questions directed at him tried to do and how he just said they're all terrible and he doesn't even wanna read it?
Could you re-ask the questions? I do not see myself lynching him but still. There is not much to talk about apparently so let's make him answer them if they exist.
I'm not reasking all the like 30 questions that were directed and ignored by him to ask them again. There's no point if he doesn't feel like answering questions by certain people he won't change that judging on his play so far and him calling me shit literally a couple of pages ago.
Ignoring negative things said about him, well he ignores anything that's said about him.
If he's scum, these questions are difficult to answer, if these he's scum he could expose information if he answers them.
If he's town, there's nothing to lose when answering them. So as a conclusion, the only reason to ignore these questions is because you feel uncomfortable answering them or at most are lazy town.
Not really. I do ignore a lot that's been asked from me as town because it doesn't help me/anyone find mafia and wastes my time (especially if i think the questions are stupid). So as i said, can you re-ask the questions so i can also evaluate if they are good or not, worth answering in other words.
Questions weren't stupid. If you could just look at the pages I proposed yesterday and the following 10 you can see them.
Being lazy and not reading/researching meanwhile is what he's done all game. He posts a lot of stuff, but these aren't researched things. These are impulsive ideas that most of the time don't get us anywhere.
Not necessarily a scum trait, in fact being impulsive is way more likely to be a town trait. I disagree with the last sentence. For example he was one of the first people to actually do something about "Sentinel is mafia". This is about the most important thing that has happened in this game for the town.
Why is being impulsive a town trait? WIFOM and can easily be planned. Like why wouldn't scum do that to appear townie. EZSCUMGAMEEZLYFE.
Also, yeah making a push on someone who has been pushed before (he just picked up ideas of other people - look at the times he posted it and what happened before that) isn't that great of a deal.
Considering he's been changing who he thinks is scum like his underwear and basically considers most people scum this isn't a thing.
He posted so many plain wrong things, misconceptions and similair things that are just not acceptable as town.
Then please show me where he made a serious case where he pushed someone because of a good amount of arguments and proof. He hasn't. None of his cases are reliable.
Please show me where anyone (except you) has made a case that's "decent" by your standards?
People have earlier in the game.
Noone has recently, which is why I say that this town atmosphere is terrible.
In other games this is a thing that happens, not here.
He is very active in the thread but tell me where he's been useful. You say he isn't, but with what reasoning?
He was one of the main people pushing Sentinel. One could argue that's more "good for town" than you have done... In fact i am just arguing that.
WIFOM and pushing a dead horse isn't incredible play. Like look at how kush and sent played, they gave up instantly.
You say you want examples of where he's pocketing people. Well, look at yourself. On the basis of what do you read him town? You never explained this is great detail, but him posting a lot and seeming active and talking about scenarios where he "must be townie" made you think so. Again I ask you: for what reasoning?
I JUST GAVE THE REASONING!!! DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST?!?!?!?
Not in the least sufficient for me. I chronologically went through it as you can see, so obviously I read it, no need to go ham.
There are a lot of reasons to believe he is scum and they line up well. He seems to have a strategy how to look town and follows that through.
No there aren't.
They are and why aren't they?
Looking from a perspective where he is mafia, what's his only aim at this point? Look townie. He tries a LOT to look townie.
Looking from a perspective where he is townie, what's his aim at this point? Collect information and call out scum for good evidence. He has collected information, but has he called out scum with good evidence? I don't see it.
All of this has been discussed in this same post before so i won't answer it multiple times.
So you don't wanna talk about how he hasn't done really townie things and how he tries confirming himself 24/7. Hm, I guess that falls under the category "disregard the scummy deeds".
Still voting him and since noone is posting cases it looks like I'm going to stick with it.
Saying "I think this person is mafia, please vote for him" with a couple of "proofs" that aren't more than wild guesses "the person is mafia, because [insert WIFOM argument here]" isn't making a case.
You have called both flipped scum "possibly town" for WIFOM arguments and you are really arguing this?
oh my gosh.
Obviously everyone is possible town at any point. No reason to post this.
A last argument I want to make is how many of his arguments he constantly pulls back.
"Medic should claim" "i guess he shouldn't".
"This person is scummy" someone posts something different "i guess he isn't".
This is more likely to come from a townie. Scum like to stick with their opinions.
True fact.
No they don't. Scum like to switch around so they don't get blamed. also: WIFOM
Also, a lot of his lynch reasoning is who is possible to be lynched today, especially already very early in the day. Mafia likes voting on the easy targets, he loves it.
Yet he has voted for mafia on D2 and D3. Your "hard targets" were better? See?
Like what the fuck is this argument? I don't even.....
WIFOM.
He always talks about which lynches can go through and since both his other scum gave up like 5 minutes into the game, he probably thought it's better to not rely on them and confirm himself town.
Also talking shit (and I'm not exaggerating) about people because they made a post about him and pleading that people should ignore it?
The people can think for themselves, they can decide if it's bad or worthy, if he thinks it's not dangerous for him why does he care?
Can you quote the post where he talks shit because i do not know what you are talking about.
look at his filter and search "elvis"
So many things he posts are not only non-townie but very likely to have scum motivation behind them.
...and you still do not elaborate on this further... again, which posts? and why?
I did elaborate this further, but if you don't look at any of the examples I post, I can't help you.
Also, look like he points out how serejai "pocketed" me, even though in his world she's town? Logic please? I never even said she's town? Also why me over everyone else? She didn't agree more to my posts about you than a couple of others. You're trying to make connections that don't exist.
If I believe anyone to be town here it's probably Breshke.
In case i am not mistaken that happened when Serejai claimed mafia, no? So that's only logical.
she "gave up" and there was no end-of-game post yet and he read her town like for a long time.
I'm mostly talking about him saying she pocketed me when there I wasn't ever agreeing to things she posted/protected her/ said she's even more than null.
Good job for making the easiest read ever on Breshke. Except that if you do not think i am town you are mafia or delusional.
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