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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 08 2014 21:51 GMT
#1741
Okay the interaction wasn't as big a deal as i thought it was

Fecal makes this case

On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!

I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.

Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve!

I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway.

Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now!

I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious.


After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote.

Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom.

It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand.


Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this post

Show nested quote +
I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention.

Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother.

Show nested quote +
Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.

So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy?

Then this post.
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:
On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages.

The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.


Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early?

We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine.

On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:
Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.


Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between?

Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched.

On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts.

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post


Make an example


Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events.


let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler.
Show nested quote +
November 03 2014 11:31
November 03 2014 11:32
November 03 2014 11:33
November 03 2014 11:38
November 03 2014 11:38


You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you.



Kush wants to vote on sentinel at EoD1

On November 05 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 05:55 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote:
basically due to the closed nature of this game, LS is now a terrible lynch because his alignment can be confirmed at lylo.


i'd be down for a sentinal lynch as well.



can u link me or summarize a case sir?


He gets linked ff's case and after just 3 minutes (which he got inged out for because there was no way he read it all.)

On November 05 2014 06:00 kushm4sta wrote:
good case. scummy misrep on elvis.

##unvote
##vote sentinal



So kush and ff would have basically been trying to bury their partner at EoD1 and gotten him lynched.

I feel like im making too many associative reads though.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
November 08 2014 21:51 GMT
#1742
Who is going to have a cap busted in their ass tonight? Stay tuned to find out. Hope our power role does something useful.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 08 2014 21:53 GMT
#1743
On November 09 2014 06:51 Breshke wrote:
Okay the interaction wasn't as big a deal as i thought it was

Fecal makes this case

Show nested quote +
On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!

I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.

Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve!

I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway.

Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now!

I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious.


After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote.

Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom.

It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand.


Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this post

I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention.

Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother.

Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.

So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy?

Then this post.
On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:
On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages.

The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.


Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early?

We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine.

On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:
Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.


Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between?

Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched.

On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts.

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post


Make an example


Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events.


let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler.
November 03 2014 11:31
November 03 2014 11:32
November 03 2014 11:33
November 03 2014 11:38
November 03 2014 11:38


You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you.



Kush wants to vote on sentinel at EoD1

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:55 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote:
basically due to the closed nature of this game, LS is now a terrible lynch because his alignment can be confirmed at lylo.


i'd be down for a sentinal lynch as well.



can u link me or summarize a case sir?


He gets linked ff's case and after just 3 minutes (which he got inged out for because there was no way he read it all.)

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:00 kushm4sta wrote:
good case. scummy misrep on elvis.

##unvote
##vote sentinal



So kush and ff would have basically been trying to bury their partner at EoD1 and gotten him lynched.

I feel like im making too many associative reads though.

kush cannot call people who are town mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 08 2014 21:54 GMT
#1744
Sent or Superbia. Did either of you get roleblocked last night? If you did tell us in 5 minutes if your town you have to 100% tell us to confirm srejair.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 08 2014 21:55 GMT
#1745
So then we kill sentinal, since kush slipped his teammate
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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 08 2014 21:56 GMT
#1746
On November 09 2014 06:41 Breshke wrote:
I woke up late but theres a weird interaction between ff and sentinel if they are a scum team ill find it and show you rayn. I find it really hard to put sentinel into a team because the only person i can see him lining up with is immaterial but since rayn replaced him it doesn't seems like less of a world. I still think sentinel is scum though.


Hurry up your getting killed in 4 minutes.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 08 2014 21:56 GMT
#1747
Anyways i suggest you lynch Sentinel. He isn't scumhunting at all.
Then try to evaluate FF and Superbia. There is not enough time because those people are not posting much.

I'm gonna read Elvis! if i am alive tomorrow.
table for two on a tv tray
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 08 2014 21:56 GMT
#1748
On November 09 2014 06:56 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 06:41 Breshke wrote:
I woke up late but theres a weird interaction between ff and sentinel if they are a scum team ill find it and show you rayn. I find it really hard to put sentinel into a team because the only person i can see him lining up with is immaterial but since rayn replaced him it doesn't seems like less of a world. I still think sentinel is scum though.


Hurry up your getting killed in 4 minutes.

He already posted it
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 08 2014 21:57 GMT
#1749
On November 09 2014 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 06:22 Superbia wrote:
On November 09 2014 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Superbia why should people read you town?
You hard defended mafia on D2, at least you could explain:
1) why did you read kush lazy town instead of mafia given kush's meta.
2) why do you actually read the people you read scum scum? For example why are sentinel and ff mafia and not "lazy town"?


1. I don't personally know kush's meta. I've half played with the guy once, but don't remember any interactions (I replaced in during d2 as scum, and conceded the same day. He was town). His behaviour reminded me of experienced players who just lost interest in the game, and I've never seen one flip scum.

2. Sentinel: I had a (cute/dumb) little play during d1 which pinged out Sentinel for me. After I pressured him his response seemed pretty terrible to me. Looked like he was trying to insert himself into a group. Doesn't help that he wrote a bit regarding someone (I believe FF) from a perspective in which they were confirmed town (i.e. probably a scumslip, town is never confident enough to assume other people are town d1), even though he had no real read on them. He had his vote on the cop at EoD1, and I don't think he ever gave a proper explanation (doesn't really matter either, because you can claim afk or whatever). Has done absolutely nothing during d2.

FecalFeast: The FF I know is fine with pushing on almost everyone and I expect town-FF to be interacting with me throughout the game. This game FF has avoided me (though tbh I haven't been nearly as active as I've wanted to be), which is exactly what I expect his scum game to be (the game I was town and he was scum he was pretty afraid of me in scum QT). His d1 reads are forgetful. I remember his vote ended up on the cop, and he had some out of game reason to be afk during the very EoD (he did almost the exact same thing during the game I mentioned before, pretty sure I've never seen him afk during EoD when he's town, but admittedly, this is not strongly alignment indicative). His d2 play was basically tunneling on Kush without a good reason (imo), and I stand by my point that Kush was not really a good target. The fact that his vote didn't even end on Kush and he didn't even really help in the lynch doesn't help him at all.

Obi/Kelsier: Killed the cop. Honestly, the whole "he wouldn't trade his life for the cop if he was scum" is fucking WIFOM, because we're apparently not killing him because of that fact? That's just catch-22 bullshit. I stand by my logic that Obi/Kelsier needs to be lynched during this game, unless it's over after the FF lynch (which it may very well be).

Well first of all one of your scumreads is town so why are you not trying to figure out which one?
It's not like just "lynch these people and win" because you know, you can be wrong and if you are you are throwing the game with this attitude.

Second, i think your read on kush is/was terrible and i do not know how you can in any way justify what you said about him. Especially when in the same game you replaced in i was mafia and didn't give a shit about the game due to time reasons (which i never said were the reasons). I basically did the exact same thing kush did in this game as mafia and you claim you "have never seen it before"... Again, you didn't explain what's the difference in kush's play that was more likely to come from lazy town than from mafia? That should be something any reasonable townie re-evaluates ESPECIALLY after the dude who calls kush scum because he cannot make himself play the game as mafia (Grack) dies on Night one. I find it almost ridiculous you didn't reconsider your read AT ALL after this all.

Third, you seem to be suspecting people mainly for "killing the cop'". Well guess what, there were four votes on the cop at the end of D1 so it's physically impossible that voting for the cop would make one automatically mafia (because there is at least one townie who was voting for the cop -- in fact two because kush didn't vote for LS). So it cannot possibly be a reason someone is scum. You don't elaborate on WHY someone voting for the cop makes the mafia, you just lay out "this thing he did is scummy" without telling why. That's not a townie thing to do. People do stupid things all the time but stupid != scummy.

Fourth, i find it quite amusing you find someone mafia for tunneling kush.. YOU FIND SOMEONE MAFIA FOR BEING RIGHT!?!?!?!? How stupid is that? In addition you only bring up this, not the fact that the dude who tunneled kush DIDN'T EVEN VOTE FOR HIM IN THE END OF THE DAY! (which in fact IS scummy).


Look. You just fucking replaced in, so you don't have the whole timeline. I had an initial scum read on Sent and scum-lean on FF on d1. Then the cop gets lynched (who claimed) barely by 1 vote. This is not a fucking coincidence. I'm fucking sure there was at least 1 mafia who did not vote there. I have talked about this earlier in my filter. Again, voting on the cop is scummy because mafia don't have to waste kp (and risk a possible watcher, or medic save). Going into the night with the cop outing would not be too bad because of the relevant 2nd PR.

About the kush thing and me replacing into a game, I think you are mistaken? I have only replaced into a game once, and I was mafia that game (it was Fantasy Football Mafia Mini 2, iirc). I don't even think think you were in that game. Hell, I don't even think I have played with you before. I felt more strongly about other people that day than kush (namely Kelsier and Sent). Kush wasn't of any interest to me that day. Grack said his scum play was garbage so I was expecting to get a strong read on him as soon as he started playing. You would've known this had you been in the game from the start.

Town here is probably Obi/Kelsier if I'd have a gander. I kind of liked Kelsier before he rescinded the cop claim 3 min before EoD. Had established a town read on him as d1 was coming to an end (had a slight scum lean on him before then).
Minimal effort.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 08 2014 21:58 GMT
#1750
Id like to point out that if the team is sentinel and ff they almost certainly kill breske here. There not gonna kill rayn because making him scum is there best play
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 08 2014 21:58 GMT
#1751
On November 09 2014 06:54 sicklucker wrote:
Sent or Superbia. Did either of you get roleblocked last night? If you did tell us in 5 minutes if your town you have to 100% tell us to confirm srejair.


No.
Minimal effort.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 08 2014 21:59 GMT
#1752
On November 09 2014 06:58 sicklucker wrote:
Id like to point out that if the team is sentinel and ff they almost certainly kill breske here. There not gonna kill rayn because making him scum is there best play

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
November 08 2014 22:00 GMT
#1753
Stand by for Day Post
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 22:03:53
November 08 2014 22:02 GMT
#1754
[image loading]


Day 3





This day ends in 48 hours at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Whoever has the most votes on them at that time gets lynched.

Countdown:





On November 08 2014 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we get a final votecount for D2 please?


A final votecounted has been added to the N2 post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?page=75#1481
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 08 2014 22:03 GMT
#1755
The fuck happened to the classrom?
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 08 2014 22:04 GMT
#1756
I think game is won?
Minimal effort.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 08 2014 22:05 GMT
#1757
Hum if its the obvious mafia here I could see them surrendering
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 08 2014 22:06 GMT
#1758
Bwahahahahahah...
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Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
November 08 2014 22:15 GMT
#1759
Caught one of the scum. Will post about it on Monday morning, or sooner if I can get hold of a laptop. Read some of my very last posts from D1 and people who commented on them. Want to see if anyone else notices before I drop a name.
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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 08 2014 22:16 GMT
#1760
Who was roleblocked?
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