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Elvis!
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Elvis!
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01:10 Sicklucker: Thinks very highly of himself since he posts multiple times that he is the one that should be NK. Posts he wouldn't lynch Kelsier even if he knew 100% he was scum. Defends Kelsiers CC and late pullback. He gives really wishy-washy reasons to why he thinks Kelsier is town. Kelsier and Sicklucker mafia together? He pushes on Sentinel for (his own reasoning) posting a lot earlier and not anymore. That's not a mafia indicator, that's just him not posting, like kush and immaterial and a lot others. He also defends kush later for not posting, which makes no sense since for him it's a scumtell. He says him and Sentinel are not aligned because Sentinel could just have relied on him getting modkilled. That's nothing you can rely on. He supports his vote on Sentinel because Sentinel and him are on his weak theory " like 0% aligned". He even mentions that Sentinel might be going under the radar because he's a role. So he wants to lynch a possible role? He wants to rather vote on inactives than people he thinks are mafia, because he thinks there's a "higher rng" to kill them then to kill people he thinks are mafia. Why not make a proper case on somebody and convince people of his vote? If he just goes after the inactive we can only lose since there's a lot of them. We don't have many jokers left since we lost 2 town already. So it's very important to get scum and not just get to lynch basically anyone. He wants to lynch the people where he can get a push through, not mafia. He reads Breshke(?) scum because of tunneling someone who the person thinks is scum. If as town you are convinced of your vote, sticking with it and wanting to convince people of it isn't wrong. This is how you pressure scum and maybe get a scum lynch. How else is it supposed to be? He has a good find on Grack--> kush at the end where grack says sometimes kush doesn't do much as town, too. I generally don't like him and Serejai being so focused on single things of people. They keep posting about things that have already been explained and are of no use to elaborate further upon, e.g. : Batsnacks and the phone-posting-revoting-dilemma. Me voting on the guy I find scummy: Serejai. Serejai says I'm still tunneling when he proudly keeps saying every couple of posts how good he is for still having the same scum targets as he had from the beginning. Why am I scummy/wrong for this? Serejai also never answers my posts about him seriously. When I point out his lies/misconceptions he just ignores it and so do a lot of people. Then I get discredited for things I didn't say, blamed for having the same opinion about you, sicklucker, as a person you think is scummy (which totally makes me scum - not) and you just disregard everything I post because you disagree with it. Then Serejai calls me scummy for not posting things of worth. Well I guess if you disregard everything I post about you, the lynch, the cop-cc-dilemma, Kelsier, Immaterial, sicklucker and you, well there's not much left. Then if you look, there is 4 people who are riding a similair wagon at the moment - KSC, Breshke, sicklucker and Serejai- I think either KSC or Breshke (more likely Breshke) is the deceived and the other 3 are scum, since these 4 people are constantly posting how right each other is, pushing the same targets, defending the same people (as example KSC and Kush being defended for no reason). They want town to think that these are not only the popular but the right opinions - which lots of them have been unproven, false, not logical and weird. Kush isn't looking townie, Kelsiers late un-cc is in no way reasonable or good for town, it's not logical just lynching people because of RNG on AFKers and it isn't warrantable to just hide lies people posted by overposting on different stuff. Look at them only pointing out very few mistakes of each other, only pushing very slighty and really making pushes on other persons 24/7. Also mostly the same persons. They just jump on anything these persons post and somehow try reading something scummy into it. A point I would like to raise is that they kept talking about some problems for ages even though they were answered and blame people adressing something else for more than a couple of posts. This is applying double standards in no reasonable way at all. Of course some points apply more to certain persons than to others. As a prime example of this I see Breshke posting he agrees 100% with sicklucker about a post that mostly (as sicklucker later admitted) consisted of misconseptions and wrong facts. This is blind obedience in my eyes. He didn't even really read what sicklucker was writing and sicklucker wasn't really researching what he was posting about. Mafia chat (possibly): "Hey, I'll make a post about why elvis and breshke are scum with something I can find that lines them up so that town follows me and we can maybe mislynch one of them. Just agree to it and make me look townie." Breshke - someone I had a townie view on before, now he leans scum - as example posted that bats and I "could have saved the cop but didn't" and then defends that Immaterial didn't change his vote, because that's difficult in the heat of the moment. Oh town really wasn't in the heat of the moment WITH A BIT MORE THAN 2 MINUTES LEFT IF YOU REFRESHED THE PAGE AT THE RIGHT TIME. That just doesn't make sense and is again applying double standards to people scum wants to mislynch and people they don't care about. Then Breshke defends KSC by saying "the same play I was gonna make". Except you didn't. Defending him like you did is just very weird because there is no other reason to defend him than him being your scumbuddy. There is nothing excusable about only pulling the cc back so late. Also this group uses Grack's posts sometimes similair as the Jehova's witnesses use the bible. "It is written here so it must be right". Not talking about religion here, but Grack sureley could have made misreads or mistakes. They just weren't scum-manipulated. Then Breshke's post that could really be both - he points out that people have been talking too much about the vote and not the surroundings - which is a good thing - if he wasn't talking all about the vote himself before that, mainly posting "everyone who didn't vote to save the cop are to blame" and sheeping KSC. Then mafia agreed to blame kush a bit, since he is an easy target once again, yes he hasn't posted in a long while, but that could be: A townie being afk because of real life issues. A scum being afk for the same reasons. A role not posting much to not get nightkilled. A scum not posting much, because scum hides. At that last point - wouldn't the other scum tell him to post so he doesn't look like that? I don't think it's a scumtell if someone doesn't post at all, scum knows what they wanna look like. This just turns it into WIFOM, which isn't a good reason to lynch someone, since he hasn't been posting scummy (since he hasn't been posting). Then Breshke keeps focusing on how KSC fake-ccing as scum would be terrible because they could just take care of the guy in night. Well or he's scum and has his scumbuddy's sheeping him the day after so they can get the town kill and someone else without any blame to put on anyone since the guy to blame is being sheeped by so many persons. If he didn't do it, who would be to blame/to mislynch on Day2? There would have been like 7 votes on LS, people would just agree that LS was donkey cop and noone would be to blame. Here they have the prime mislynch targets presented on the table. Easily to blame since they didn't pull back, no scum to identify since KSC "did pull back" and gets sheeped. Then Breshke all of a sudden blames sicklucker for something. What?! Oh wait it's just a number being 2 instead of 3 and this is a good opportunity to have people not think you're aligned with each other since you're not really blaming him and rather correcting him. Then Breshke says sicklucker shouldn't read kush town, for what reasons? Oh right he barely posts any. He only again mentions that kush doesn't do townie things, so for you he's scum. So if according to your arguments he's null (and you even mention why to you he could be town) and according to sicklucker he maybe is town, there's this much of a difference and that worries you that much? This again is either deceived/confused Breshke or manipulated-in-mafia-chat-Breshke. He also again applies double standards, I'm getting sick of this, Superbia is not to blame because his vote was seconds from counting. Oh bats was also for the same reason. You never mention that. Tunnel view/mislynch target much? Then Breshke repeats how Kush has done nothing for town and thus is scum. There still are the same amount of reasons for this as for others. Lynching someone who's null isn't a good thing, especially if we already lost 2 town. I know I'm applying double standards for the bats-me situation and the 4-people-3-scum situation as well, the reason being that I think they are connected in a much more scummy way (see above) and much less individual. I really don't know for sure about Breshke at this point since I tried reading his post town-aligned and mafia-aligned and kinda both make sense. Oh god I just looked at the current thread again and sicklucker - 21 before gametime already wants people to focus on one of 2 wagons? This is the time where we wanna think about everyone as possible scum or town. This is the time where we pressure people we think are scum for information. This is not the time where we vote on final stuff. This is really really weird. Like he posts that some vote has no chance of getting through even though we're still 21 hours off the time where it matters, or at least 20 until it's worth discussing. I realise that at the time of posting this one hour has passed. And ist 19/20. Still a terrible idea of him to do and reinforces my scumread on him. At the moment I read him scummier than Serejai and I will ##Unvote ##Vote sicklucker | ||
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Elvis!
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I wrote it down in Onenote on my laptop and copy-pasted it. Also yes this is a long post, please take your time everyone and try reading it and understanding my point of view. As I said this is still early into the day and we have time to discuss. | ||
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Elvis!
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On November 07 2014 11:12 sicklucker wrote: elvis writes "As a prime example of this I see Breshke posting he agrees 100% with sicklucker about a post that mostly (as sicklucker later admitted) consisted of misconseptions and wrong facts. This is blind obedience in my eyes. He didn't even really read what sicklucker was writing and sicklucker wasn't really researching what he was posting about" I got confused on this. I changed my train of thought twice. At first I came up with a line of thought. then I retracted It I thought I had it reversed. Then last I said nope my first one was correct. breshke agreed with my first post not my second or third so are logic was both right but I can see why your confused. My next post after that was something like "lol im a horrible town" Which very well maybe true because I confused the shit out of you. I think its funny you think me and Breshke are aligned we just went back and forth for the last 4 hours disagreeing with each other and if you click on my filter read my first post. Wow. This is a prime example of you not researching. Breshke was not agreeing on the post you're talking about but on the post you said about bats and me being aligned. | ||
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Elvis!
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On November 05 2014 13:15 Breshke wrote: I agree 100% with sicklucker. I find the way sicklucker has enterd the game has been very good. I think if he was mafia coming into this game he wouldn't be so quick to give reads like this Sicklucker how many mafia do you think are in the final votes on LS? This post. | ||
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Elvis!
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For now I'm staying on this. Let's see how this develops, she still is my place 2. | ||
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I'm just gonna try to avoid that you voted without having posted in an eternity <3 . | ||
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Kush come on get yourself to do something, please at least make town not waste time on voting/arguing about someone they have no read on like you. | ||
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I already posted it?! | ||
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So I'm scummy for aligning with people but I can't apply that to others? | ||
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Of course you're not being a obvious idiot and agreeing on everything how stupid do you think I think you are. | ||
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On November 07 2014 12:05 Elvis! wrote: "Anyway elvis heres where im at with you. Im trying so hard to see you as town but you seem to be aligning yourself with more scummy people then townie." So I'm scummy for aligning with people but I can't apply that to others? As example. This one is more for sicklucker. | ||
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On November 07 2014 10:47 Elvis! wrote: Freitag, 7. November 2014 01:10 Sicklucker: Thinks very highly of himself since he posts multiple times that he is the one that should be NK. Posts he wouldn't lynch Kelsier even if he knew 100% he was scum. Defends Kelsiers CC and late pullback. He gives really wishy-washy reasons to why he thinks Kelsier is town. Kelsier and Sicklucker mafia together? He pushes on Sentinel for (his own reasoning) posting a lot earlier and not anymore. That's not a mafia indicator, that's just him not posting, like kush and immaterial and a lot others. He also defends kush later for not posting, which makes no sense since for him it's a scumtell. He says him and Sentinel are not aligned because Sentinel could just have relied on him getting modkilled. That's nothing you can rely on. He supports his vote on Sentinel because Sentinel and him are on his weak theory " like 0% aligned". He even mentions that Sentinel might be going under the radar because he's a role. So he wants to lynch a possible role? He wants to rather vote on inactives than people he thinks are mafia, because he thinks there's a "higher rng" to kill them then to kill people he thinks are mafia. Why not make a proper case on somebody and convince people of his vote? If he just goes after the inactive we can only lose since there's a lot of them. We don't have many jokers left since we lost 2 town already. So it's very important to get scum and not just get to lynch basically anyone. He wants to lynch the people where he can get a push through, not mafia. "make more than one point" | ||
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Elvis!
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Why don't you start the tons of questions hidden in this beginning? | ||
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Some things are because you align to them, some things are weird, some things mildly scummy and some of the alignment just fits too well. Also I post multiple times that you might just be confused/misguided/deceived town and that you just fit too well in with defending people I would not have thought you would defend. | ||
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First, you collect information, then you sum it up and post it to make it a case. This is one of the reasons I don't see you town, you don't make a big commited case on anyone. Besides that, I post about a lot of people in one post. Only asking questions doesn't lead to lynching scum . You can't make a proper case without a reasonably big post (of course it doesn't have to be as big as this one), because you need to tell exaclty why you think people are scummy and if possible support that with other postss/people and quotes. Have you read the XXX team liquid mafia game analysis that's really famous? It takes hours to read that, because he goes into detail. Going into detail is never a bad thing in my idea, because if you go into detail you're sure, you can proof things and you're not scared of people pointing bad things out. I don't make cases of people because of low amounts of reasons like as example a lot of people have done since Night one. Also don't pull the newbie card, this is a mostly newbie game and I have played only one more game than you. So have a lot of people here. Of course not all bad play is mafia play, but that's why there is lots of other things to show like connection between players and so on. What do you think the perfect pre-vote post looks like? What is in it, what is not? | ||
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