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On November 14 2014 04:53 Superbia wrote:
I have like 5 minutes before I have to leave again. Rayn, is there any way I can convince you to lynch Obi today? I'm not completely against the Elvis lynch, but I really think Obi is the last one here.
no you can't.
we can discuss this tomorrow but i am really really sure Elvis is mafia.
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lol now Breshke cannot vote for Serejai because 2 people have claimed scum and at least one is town so it's not a scumtell. 
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On November 14 2014 05:03 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2014 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 14 2014 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 10 2014 08:07 Elvis! wrote:
So there is a couple of cases where I don't agree:
Since they don't want a confirmed townie, they blocked someone else the second night, thus his claim is wrong.
They blocked themselves 2 times which you already pointed out.
Since a lot of people (me included) haven't been particularily clever this game, someone might not out themselves being blocked in fear of getting lynched.
As Serejai posted they could have not shot for whatever reason. So medic could have been blocked, and medic doesn't wanna out before lategame because he's gonna get killed if he does.
This is the same reason why I think bats outing of being medic is either really stupid or wrong (could still be town or mafia).
Like if he's mafia, the real medic wouldn't cc, since claiming medic is retarded before endgame.
I'm not saying this is a lot of propability.
But it's not 100% and there could be mafia strategy behind it. Elvis suggests the following: Argument: MAfia blocked someone else on N2 and they are "scared to claim because they could get lynched". Answer: Who cares, if there is a counter-claim town wins 100% by lynching both of the claims. Argument: Bats is not the necessarily the real medic. He could be mafia (or town) fakeclaiming. Answer: Who cares, if there is a counter-claim town wins 100% by lynching both of the claims (so bats cannot be mafia). Argument: Mafia could have not shot. Answer: Impossible because mafia must shoot every night. Argument: Medic doesn't wanna out because blablabla... Answer: See the second point. reasoning (blabla) is irrelevant. There is literally no intention behind this post other than trying to reduce the amount of confirmed people (which would be bats, me and to some extent Serejai). Townies do not dothat. Mafia does. Now let's kill Elvis! Well, if bats didn't claim he wouldn't have died and we'd still have a doctor. If we weren't lucky and 2 of the mafia gave up so early this would maybe have lost us the game. mafia can roleblock themselves so they don't have to shoot. There still are scenarios where you're not confirmed, so can you stop being so bitchy about it? You're not confirmed until you're dead dude. Sorry to bust your bubble of confirmed-ness. Mafia can block themselves and some people (yes they do) sometimes claim stuff as town.
First of all i fixed the quoting tags.
Second and more important you are focusing on the things you CAN answer (and not on the things i pointed out as scummy in your post).
You literally said "there is a possibility where bats is fakeclaiming as mafia".
No there is not.
You literally said "there is a possibility where Serejai is mafia and someone is scared to counter-claim being roleblocked".
No there is not.
Noone thinks like this as town, because THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY WHERE THOSE THINGS YOU SAID ARE TRUE!
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lol this is like the really small mafia and zizyotemp.
btw you guys should read the game, definitely the best game ever.
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On November 14 2014 05:12 Elvis! wrote:
Like we had a person fake-counter-claim cop and rescind 3 minutes before deadline.
yeah yet the un-cc'd medic was more likely to be mafia than him.
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On November 14 2014 05:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
lol obi's in full lurkerscum mode.
I want to kill obi
Don't use that dumb video mafia (and tbh other forum's mafia aswell) meta stuff they do in games.
we have time. if we happen to miss we re-evaluate. we do not re-evaluate before the evidence is there.
that's a really bad thing to do.
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On November 14 2014 05:44 Elvis! wrote:
uhm, never said bats is mafai.
lol.
you made a post where you called bats and serejai possible mafia.
at that time there was 1 mafia left.
you didn't call obi mafia.
if there is one mafia left, you push your top suspect. you do not cast suspicion on others. because you want your target lynched. as town. you took part into a retarded discussion and made REALLY retarded points -- which serve no purpose in finding mafia.
Look at this:
Of course it was possible bats is scum. Of course it was possible Serejai is scum. Fuck it's still possible, maybe BH fucked up and mistyped bats' role and there is in fact no scum left.
Of course it's possible i am scum. It's possible i am in fact playing with all the accounts in this game and i don't really care which faction wins because i win anyways. Maybe Blazinghand is also my account and i am just fucking with all the other people on TL Mafia, and damn it feels good!!! Maybe i blackmailed BH to fake the flips and THIS IS LYLO! MAYBE!?!?!?!? IT'S POSSIBLE!!!!
In reality this is not a game of "what is possible". This is a game of "what's most likely true!"
And you are playing it wrong and every single person on this planet should know the difference. As town.
Therefore you have to be mafia.
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On November 14 2014 05:46 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2014 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 14 2014 05:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
lol obi's in full lurkerscum mode.
I want to kill obi Don't use that dumb video mafia (and tbh other forum's mafia aswell) meta stuff they do in games. we have time. if we happen to miss we re-evaluate. we do not re-evaluate before the evidence is there.
that's a really bad thing to do. that's a thing you called me scum for . Rayn confirmed scum
i am calling you out for ignoring the evidence on other people and sticking with a read that is based on nonsense and you are not even trying to fully explain it despite noone buying your case. which means you don't really want to lynch SL, you just wanna yell at ppl "look fuck you you mislynched now listen to me yaddayadda".
And i don't even think it makes you mafia, i think it MIGHT just make you dumb.
What i think makes you mafia is your totally bizarre thoughts about what "could be possible".
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On November 14 2014 06:09 Elvis! wrote:
....since people never point of stuff that's not a misconception or wrong.
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.
I am really sorry but i literally bursted out laughing.
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On November 14 2014 06:11 Elvis! wrote:
so considering all possible scenarios, which, since scum doesn't sit around scratching their balls all game are possible I'm scum?
This is becoming so ridiculous, but I guess that's rayn when he tunnels.
I like how I get blamed for "ignoring evidence" and he's yet to comment on me asking him like 3 times what he thinks of sl wanting our doc to claim and how that's terrible.
You have not explained why SL asking our cop to claim is scummy.
I don't think it's scummy. I think it's just stupid.
YOU need to explain why it's scummy, or rather why it's more likely to come from mafia than from town!!! You have not done so.
You still have not gone into FF's filter. I guess it's acceptable because you posted other shit about stuff that's about to get you lynched, but still. You didged the issue i brought up A DAY AGO for A DAY!!!!!
I am not blaming you for ignoring evidence. Like do you even fail to read my case?
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On November 14 2014 06:12 Elvis! wrote:
please point out 5 things that are like that.
I'm sure at least 2 aren't correct or in the least scummy.
what?
5 things of which?
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Like i don't know if i need to draw this:
There is 1 mafia, 7 town left.
Someone claims medic.
Everyone knows there is one power role that is a medic left in the game.
You say they could fake-claim as mafia.
(repeat for the roleblock thingy)
?!?!?!?!?!?!?
If you said this as town there is a lot to learn for you from this game.
In your newbie game you were rational and gave out some real thoughts that actually made sense. There are some things in this game that show you are not even trying to make sense, you are just blindly trying to hammer something without considering the alternatives. And again, i don't even think that's neccessarily scummy because i remember how you treated Breshke in your newbie game. But this is just straight out absurd. Claiming mafia would do something that will insta-lose them the game. You don't even do this only once, but TWICE!!!
It's literally impossible for you to be town.
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On November 14 2014 06:21 Elvis! wrote:
Please post 5 things that are bad/scummy in my play. I promise some won't actually be scummy, will be uneeded, or misconceptions.
I don't need to.
I only need one.
Which i just posted about.
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EBWOP:
Claiming something like that as mafia would do something that will insta-lose them the game.
at the near end of the post.
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EBWPOASF:
fuck i can't even read my own posts.
bleh... ignore the last ebwop
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On November 14 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:
Elvis this is the problem. Last game you basically had the same strong scum read on me that you have on SL now and i was town that game. People are telling you SL is town this game and one of those people being a confirmed rayn. Now im not going to say im totally against the thought of SL being scum but rayn seems to feel very strongly about it so im happy to go along with his read because it makes sense to me.
If you are scum reading someone like this and everyone calls them town you need to try and reevulate. You might be right, he could be scum but even if he was you need to try and look at other things aswell. The fact that the only thing you choose to go with to call someone else scum is that "someone got the cop lynched" isn't great. I voted for the cop and got him lynched and im your sole town read.
Also the fact that this is the only thing that you can call someone scum for makes me feel that you arnt reading the game. Or that when you are reading the game you look at it from the perspective that SL is scum. Even if this is right i don't think it's good play because you seem to miss so much of what everyone else does. I don't mean you don't read it i mean you don't evaluate it as towny or scumy
rofl
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yo me and Breshke are actually the same person with schizophrenia.
I am the decent one, i promise!
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On November 14 2014 06:30 Elvis! wrote:
I'm town as well.
Claiming medic is retarded before end of game since he'll just get nightkilled and we'll lose a pr.
I always knew there is a medic in this game.
They can fake-claim as mafia, did you see this game.
Did you see KSC getting lynched for fake-claiming, which has been proven? Is he dead?
Roleblock can be put on mafia, but again, fake-claims are a thing you ignore.
Also as you know this is the first game for me with a lot of claims and I went from what I knew and saw scenarios where they aren't confirmed, so I posted my thoughts and posted the scenarios.
Also, everyone at the time was posting much more wild scenarios that are untruths. Mine are at least in theory possible!
This doesn't really hurt town or isn't mafia, since I didn't push anyone based on that more than "lean scum".
I'm playing very similair to that game, but this time I have a lot more legit reasons for my push I think.
Like how can you say it's impossible for me to be town when you have sicklucker posting like this in the game.
A lot of people even agreed on that and he almost got lynched already.
None of these are reasons that aren't WIFOM-could-be-town-could-be-mafia.
This is the worst case you made in your mafia career rayn.
I'll make this very easy for you:
Answer right now:
1) Someone claims medic, 7town 1 scum left. What happens if the claim is town?
2) Someone claims medic, 7town 1 scum left. What happens if the claim is scum?
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On November 14 2014 06:35 Serejai wrote:
What if someone is actually town and mafia AT THE SAME TIME?
I kinda was once. I had to kill townies and i refused to fulfill my wincon so the rest of the town could win. 
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