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liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 03 2014 01:40 GMT
#1421
On November 03 2014 01:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
How can you say he's absolutely town but then want to lynch him if he doesn't do something lol


Heh.

These people I can lynch today if I had to lynch someone right now:

jrkirby
risk.nuke
Misder
Seuss

I'm tentatively including Oats, but I'm relatively omgus-y right now and I'm not sure if it's personal or not. He probably isn't getting lynched today anyway so that might be fine.

As for the names I listed, I don't have spectacular reasons for all of them yet. They're mostly PoE'd out of the people I don't want to lynch for one reason or another. All of them feel relatively forgettable and useless, and neither of those traits are good on day 1.

I'm going to switch between filter diving and playing Street Fighter or something for the next couple of hours. One of my specific filter targets is going to be LT since he's becoming a hot topic. Fwiw, I know he has a scummy day 1 meta like me so take that as you will.


can u explain how you came to those 4 ppl?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 03 2014 01:41 GMT
#1422
On November 03 2014 10:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't see how that's townie?

Cause its super super suspicious.
Like too suspicous for scum, they feel an innate read to overexplain everything.
No gg, No skill.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
November 03 2014 01:42 GMT
#1423
On November 03 2014 10:40 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 01:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On November 03 2014 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
How can you say he's absolutely town but then want to lynch him if he doesn't do something lol


Heh.

These people I can lynch today if I had to lynch someone right now:

jrkirby
risk.nuke
Misder
Seuss

I'm tentatively including Oats, but I'm relatively omgus-y right now and I'm not sure if it's personal or not. He probably isn't getting lynched today anyway so that might be fine.

As for the names I listed, I don't have spectacular reasons for all of them yet. They're mostly PoE'd out of the people I don't want to lynch for one reason or another. All of them feel relatively forgettable and useless, and neither of those traits are good on day 1.

I'm going to switch between filter diving and playing Street Fighter or something for the next couple of hours. One of my specific filter targets is going to be LT since he's becoming a hot topic. Fwiw, I know he has a scummy day 1 meta like me so take that as you will.


can u explain how you came to those 4 ppl?


They were lurky and I couldn't remember anything they said.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 03 2014 01:42 GMT
#1424
#mlgreads
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
November 03 2014 01:44 GMT
#1425
I think I caught the Palmar virus.

Hmph.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 03 2014 01:45 GMT
#1426
can't believe gb honestly says this is nothing like lt's scum game but doesn't even mention how it's nothing like his town game whatsoever, lt even agreed with me when i called him out on it rofl

fail use or arguments to push his own bad gb agenda +++++++
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 03 2014 01:45 GMT
#1427
On November 03 2014 02:04 Damdred wrote:
HF why are you giving so much pressure to obis defense of me? I admit I'm biased towards obi I think thread context in a few points make him look better for instance. But you give one post towards Lt who's read/defense of me looks worse than obis?

Also we should consider GB at this point, hasn't delivered cases, play has fallen through the floor and is playing towards his scum meta really hard


he's been aggresive pressuring ppl, can u elaborate on his scum meta?
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
November 03 2014 01:47 GMT
#1428
On November 03 2014 10:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 10:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't see how that's townie?

Cause its super super suspicious.
Like too suspicous for scum, they feel an innate read to overexplain everything.


I'm going to remember this for my next scumgame.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 03 2014 01:48 GMT
#1429
people are defending lt while he just afk's and laughs all the way to the mafia bank it's hilarious btw
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 03 2014 01:48 GMT
#1430
On November 03 2014 10:45 Holyflare wrote:
can't believe gb honestly says this is nothing like lt's scum game but doesn't even mention how it's nothing like his town game whatsoever, lt even agreed with me when i called him out on it rofl

fail use or arguments to push his own bad gb agenda +++++++


You know the guy.
You know he is a good player as both alignments.

He clearly wants to be lynched.

Anyway, lynch him and it will be proven.
I'm adorable.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 03 2014 01:50 GMT
#1431
so you're sticking by the fact that the jester who is gathering votes claims jester then?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 03 2014 01:50 GMT
#1432
so logical
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 03 2014 01:51 GMT
#1433
On November 03 2014 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:
.: Circumstance, master of passivity

A quick skim through his filter will show that he is the most passive player on the thread.
Who is his top scum read? Nobody knows.
Who does he think is town? Nobody knows.
Not only he refuses to point fingers of suspicion, he also doesn't try to push the thread forward. He did it once. Just once. With oats. But it was still wishy washy.

This is solely my case on him. I'll analyse his passivity post by post now, and bring minor arguments on him. Just click on spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +


On October 31 2014 12:01 Circumstance wrote:
First game on TL, using TL's systems, thank God I'm town, makes things a lot easier.

(Question: If someone votes in the separate thread, is that vote binding for the day?)


Bad entrance. Downgrades his play (hi guys, I'm new on TL) and forced town claim (I'm town lololol makes things easier(?)). Doesn't look like a natural town writing style to me. As I said before, scum has a hard time trying to put himself in the game. Their writing style is mostly forced.


On October 31 2014 12:18 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 12:13 Damdred wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:11 Circumstance wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:09 Damdred wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:07 Circumstance wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:05 Damdred wrote:
Circumstance what do you think about the discussion so far

If ritoky's picture of GB (which I presume stands for GlowingBear) is accurate, then being Jewish, I kinda have to be suspicious of him.


That made me laugh, so what about the other prevalant conversation especially the scum read that's being discussed

It's Day 1, you're gonna have to be a little more specific than "the scumread". Do you mean the joke thing? Because I've never seen any particular differentiation on that in my previous online Mafia experiences.


well what do you think about glowings post then?

I think it's jumping to conclusions a bit quickly - the game had a clearly defined starting time, so if you didn't post pretty quickly, you'd look suspicious in that you were laying low. Seems like an innocent misread.


You see, he doesn't compromises himself here in any position.
He says people seems forced to post and that was an null tell from Kirby, BUT he also thinks that my push on him is also null. An innocent misread. So both of us were null at that time.
I don't believe this.
In a jokey atmosphere, when someone does what I did, there is clearly a motivation behind it.
Which means
1) I'm town trying to bring serious discussion to the topic
2) I'm town having a scumread
3) I'm scum trying to look townie
4) I'm scum trying to pick on a bad post from town.

That's what you can understand from my post. There is no space for "innocent misread".

On October 31 2014 12:23 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 12:20 Damdred wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:18 Circumstance wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:13 Damdred wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:11 Circumstance wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:09 Damdred wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:07 Circumstance wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:05 Damdred wrote:
Circumstance what do you think about the discussion so far

If ritoky's picture of GB (which I presume stands for GlowingBear) is accurate, then being Jewish, I kinda have to be suspicious of him.


That made me laugh, so what about the other prevalant conversation especially the scum read that's being discussed

It's Day 1, you're gonna have to be a little more specific than "the scumread". Do you mean the joke thing? Because I've never seen any particular differentiation on that in my previous online Mafia experiences.


well what do you think about glowings post then?

I think it's jumping to conclusions a bit quickly - the game had a clearly defined starting time, so if you didn't post pretty quickly, you'd look suspicious in that you were laying low. Seems like an innocent misread.


Why does it have to be a misread? Does scum not do what he did? Why are you so certain of a misread?

Because I'm not ready to call out potential scum this early in, and the subject matter is pretty innocuous. Plus, I've dealt with a fair number of games where someone from town made these kind of quick claims that did not always pan out.


Translation: I don't want to bring attention.

On October 31 2014 12:51 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:33 liancourt wrote:
On October 31 2014 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
the absolute most boring fluffy start of day 1 ever.
Ever.


Who was the most fluffiest ?

everyone, i dont care, im not reading that shit.

Just making things clear - if you didn't read portions of the thread, then what makes you say it's all fluff?


"Just making things clear" = I'm not calling you scum for that, I just want clarification. Please don't be angry at me.

On October 31 2014 13:45 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 13:42 ritoky wrote:
On October 31 2014 13:36 jrkirby wrote:
On October 31 2014 13:33 ritoky wrote:
On October 31 2014 13:30 jrkirby wrote:
On October 31 2014 13:28 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 31 2014 13:25 jrkirby wrote:
Well, this is news. I think analysing GB would probably be best, but since there's no takebacks of the vote, I'll wait a bit. to analyse him.


You think I'm scum?


No, I have a null read on you. I think you getting analysed would give more information about other players than anyone else getting analysed.


so do you know what analyzing does? and how do you know it will be beneficial? cuz i sure as shit dunno what it means.


Due to the word, analyse, it should give some clue as to what character they are from heartchstone, which should give a clue to their alignment.


If you're so certain that is what it does, then why wouldn't you volunteer yourself so that you are confirmed town for everyone?

You do realize the it's kel'thuzad's cat, and in warcraft mythos kel'thuzad is an evil lich...so ummmmmm...

But the post specifically stated a goal of eliminating the Horde, which someone (don't remember who) suggested would be the Mafia. So what I'm wondering is, was Mr. Bigglesworth a sort of game event, or is there a Kel'Thuzad role?


Useless WIFOM. Disconnected conclusions. "Horde may be mafia, therefore... IS THE CAT A SORT OF EVENT OR THERE IS A KEL THUZAD ROLE?"


On October 31 2014 15:15 Circumstance wrote:
I don't know enough about explanaition posts to try and write soomething super-detailed, and there isn't all too much just yet to go off of, so I'm just gonna give a brief explanation for my first formal action.

The early suspicion for me is on Oats. A quick filter seems to show him being rather "floaty" - posting often enough to be seen as active, replying to discussion posts enough to be seen as involved, but not contributing to those same discussions enough to be seen as the originator of any idea. It seems like he's going out of his way not to initiate or develop any reads, not to move discussions forward, but merely to antagonize, to take existing discussions and say "this is bad, this is wrong, you don't know what you're doing". I can't tell if it's meant as a way to gain the trust of other players or something else entirely, but ATM, this doesn't feel like the way someone acts if they want the town to be moving towards any meaningful conclusion.

Seuss, I understand where you're coming from on GB, but for my money, I think we might be learning more if we

##Analyze: Oatsmaster


"EARLY" suspicion. Translation = "this is not going to hold water for long"
Analyze Oats. Do not vote for him.

NOW, THE MOST ILLUSTRATIVE POST:


On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote:
So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke?


So, after being afk, he comes to the thread, HE IS OK WITH THE RNG LYNCH AS PLAN B, but he is NOT SOLD ON NUKE'S CASE and ASKS FOR ANOTHER ONE?
Wow. He still has no scumread. He is not convinced of lynching anyone. And he does not take any stance.
In this post, he is:
1) Mostly ok with lynching anyone
2) Not ready enough to sheep a case (still avoiding getting attention)
3) Never taking stances


On November 01 2014 10:47 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 10:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 01 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote:
So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke?


This post is also bad.


what strikes me as odd is that wasn't it circ who came in to hard defend jrkirby early on when he was being pressured? then once again jrkirby starts to take interest in a gb lynch and now circ is suddenly around and interested? there's something funky goin on between these two.

Do you want me to explain my schedule to you? I will if you want.

As for GB's question, my current reads aren't strong enough to lay out on the table right now, and frankly, I don't know how much it matters at this stage. We've got some clear targets that are slowly beginning to get multiple votes placed on them. If we don't consolidate, we run the risk of a no-lynch, which doesn't benefit anyone. I don't WANT to lynch you right now, GB, because I'm not a fan of RNG and you keep discussions going. But before I place my vote on risk.nuke, I want to hear the argument against it, assuming there is one, to see if it holds water.


He doesn't want to bring attention, again. Like, lol, "my opinion isn't relevant, so I'm not giving it" lolololol.


That's all.

If you don't want to read everything, read the last two quotes.
##Vote: Circumstance


i posted in an earlier post when obi questioned me about circumstance that i found him hesistant and apprehensive and to borrow ur words passive. Now i played like this in my first game here as town, so i think this is genuine and i saw myself in his posts.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 03 2014 01:53 GMT
#1434
On November 03 2014 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
so you're sticking by the fact that the jester who is gathering votes claims jester then?


Yes. Claiming jester made people think he was probably mafia trying to avoid a lynch, like Kirby.

He wouldn't play like this if he didn't want to be lynched.

By the way, thanks for correcting me lol. I was saying "joker" instead of "jester"
I'm adorable.
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
November 03 2014 01:53 GMT
#1435
I still think Tolkien is not town - though as Seuss stated, it seems like he actually wants to get lynched.

jrkirby has always been on my radar - he plays way too careful. However, his constant pushing of lynching me makes me think he's town.

I was thinking that Circumstance was a bit scummy when I chose to analyze him - if he can explain his vote on Tolkien that would be nice. Could just be that he's town and didn't want to get modkilled.

I have jaybrundage as town.

I have ritoky as town, though this is based on the beginning of the game.

VE seems to be posting less than I remember him usually posting, and less erratic? This is a meta read that is based on a game probably years ago lol.

Still need to go over Damdred and ows thingy, but I want to say I'm here.
Whaaaa?
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 03 2014 01:57 GMT
#1436
On November 03 2014 05:05 Seuss wrote:
Hello again.

The timing of Damdred's vote-extension is scummy as hell. Almost immediately after GlowingBear began asserting that he'd caught Damdred in a lie, Damdred breadcrumbed his role and shortly thereafter that Follow the Rules happened. This play screams, "Shit I've been caught, better use my power to save myself." I'd expect a Town player to expend far more effort trying to preserve their useful power than just blow it on themselves the moment they get in trouble.

On that note I'm suspicious of LordTolkien because of his defense of Damdred. I think there's a pretty good that he's scum if Damdred is. At best LordTolkien is oblivious to the scrutiny Damdred was already under, and at worst he's trying to reframe events to make Damdred's desperate act of self-preservation seem Towny.

I'm a little suspicious of Obiwan as well but it would be pretty horrible play for two scum to come out with the same bad/oblivious "what's the scum motivation" defense when there's such an obvious scum motivation.


are u saying all 3 of them are scummy? who is the most scummiest?
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
November 03 2014 01:58 GMT
#1437
Guess other people think the same way as Tolkien - anyways still think he's a good lynch target. Jesters (win condition is to get lynched, everyone else loses?) is no fun to play against, so might as well believe they don't exist lol.
Whaaaa?
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 03 2014 01:58 GMT
#1438
On November 03 2014 05:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 05:05 Seuss wrote:
Hello again.

The timing of Damdred's vote-extension is scummy as hell. Almost immediately after GlowingBear began asserting that he'd caught Damdred in a lie, Damdred breadcrumbed his role and shortly thereafter that Follow the Rules happened. This play screams, "Shit I've been caught, better use my power to save myself." I'd expect a Town player to expend far more effort trying to preserve their useful power than just blow it on themselves the moment they get in trouble.

On that note I'm suspicious of LordTolkien because of his defense of Damdred. I think there's a pretty good that he's scum if Damdred is. At best LordTolkien is oblivious to the scrutiny Damdred was already under, and at worst he's trying to reframe events to make Damdred's desperate act of self-preservation seem Towny.

I'm a little suspicious of Obiwan as well but it would be pretty horrible play for two scum to come out with the same bad/oblivious "what's the scum motivation" defense when there's such an obvious scum motivation.

This is a good point about Damdred that was also brought up by BH.

Ugh..I could still lynch Damdred.

Can we also lynch risk.nuke?

##DoubleLynch: Activate


is this a joke or for real lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 03 2014 01:59 GMT
#1439
I'm going to switch between filter diving and playing Street Fighter or something for the next couple of hours. One of my specific filter targets is going to be LT since he's becoming a hot topic. Fwiw, I know he has a scummy day 1 meta like me so take that as you will.


LT looks okay and I don't particularly want to lynch him. His read on Damdred is kind of weird and his filter is kind of small but I don't see anything overtly scummy in his filter.

On November 03 2014 09:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 09:35 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm not trying to lynch risk.
I'm trying to lynch damdred/circumstance.

If you have read Tolkien's scum games, you would see that this is not his scum meta also.

He wants to be lynched.


I might be willing to back you on the Circumstance lynch. I'm mostly caught up but I'm still relatively unsure of an LT lynch.

I can vote LT if nothing else, but it's mostly for consolidation and I don't have much reasoning as to why we should kill him.

The thing is that Circumstance has been completely and utterly worthless and just ninja voted LT, which scares me. He's been here the whole time in yet he won't tell anyone why he's voting who he's voting.

On November 03 2014 10:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I just realized that no matter what happens today, I win.

If LT flips town, then Circumstance gets shot/checked for being a useless sack of scum.
If LT flips scum, then I can stop worrying about Circumstance for the time being.

I don't care about either of these people. I'm hopping on LT.

On November 03 2014 10:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Above aimed at Oats.

Also, I just read LT's reads list and you can fuck right off with that "I can't read him so he's town" nonsense.

You know who did that last time? Hopeless. Also scum.


the scummy thought train of "oh yeh here's a reason i can hop on this wagon" is in red
the collection of quotes is so bad it just looks like a terrible terrible reason to join a wagon
obi has to die because he's mafia
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 03 2014 02:00 GMT
#1440
On November 03 2014 10:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 10:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 03 2014 10:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't see how that's townie?

Cause its super super suspicious.
Like too suspicous for scum, they feel an innate read to overexplain everything.


I'm going to remember this for my next scumgame.

go ahead, you will never do it.
No gg, No skill.
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