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On November 06 2014 04:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well too fucking bad scum, we're lynching risk.nuke and you're not changing shit. Who is your partner?
On November 06 2014 04:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 04:49 Damdred wrote:
VE if you are so sure that hf is scum why say that shouldn't you be pushing people to lynch the more dangerous hf? I'm not sure HF is scum, I'm sure that he's being really really bad at the game right now. I SUSPECT that he's scum, but frankly it's based on him scumreading me and that's never a good reason.
That tone changed right quick.
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On November 06 2014 05:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Love how nobody cares about the second lynch.
?????? I spent the entire day trying to dig you out from a pile of shit and you sat there digging in the opposite direction.
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On November 06 2014 05:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 05:05 ritoky wrote:On November 06 2014 05:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Love how nobody cares about the second lynch. ?????? I spent the entire day trying to dig you out from a pile of shit and you sat there digging in the opposite direction. Appreciate you trying. The people deciding it don't care so it's mostly just us. If I've got an opportunity to get out of it then I'm all ears. But I just don't see it.
Try to convince people that a) jaybrundage is scum or b) your abilities are more useful than his if you are both town.
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On November 06 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 05:15 Damdred wrote:On November 06 2014 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 06 2014 05:09 Damdred wrote:
No theres still time for VE to calm down come back and really help us figure out the lynch. You can say all the mean words in the world to me VE but I still want you to play and calm down. I've been doing that. All. Game. I've been trying to figure out good lynches. All. Game. Like, I'm JUST NOW saying fuck this and going away. JUST NOW! I haven't done that before now, I never "gave up" trying to find a good lynch when I voted risk.nuke as evidence by my filtering and subsequently scumreading Circ. I DID say that I wanted to lynch risk first, but from my perspective I've had reason to believe he's mafia since DAY FUCKING ONE! Anyone saying I only wanted to push risk because he's a lurker is a fucking LIAR or is FUCKING WRONG. I'm not saying you only wanted to push risk because he's a lurker at all, I believe there is actually a good reason to scum read him for promises broken and unable to give reads in the thread which has already been discussed before. But I don't think he was your top scum read going into the day and pointed out a couple things in your post, I just want you to calm down come back and decide if risk shoudl be the lynch today or if we should look somewhere else, and if we should send jay or obi off today. risk IS the lynch today. I've made that quite clear, in fact gone so far as to say that anyone who is voting for risk is claiming mafia if they unvote risk. And we send off Obi today imo, I've been townreading Jay all game. I could be wrong, but Jay is aware of his "Best Mislynch NA" meta and I don't think as mafia he 1v1's like anyone in the thread.
So do you think Obi is scum then? Or is it solely because of your read on jay?
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On November 06 2014 05:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 05:23 ritoky wrote:On November 06 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 06 2014 05:15 Damdred wrote:On November 06 2014 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 06 2014 05:09 Damdred wrote:
No theres still time for VE to calm down come back and really help us figure out the lynch. You can say all the mean words in the world to me VE but I still want you to play and calm down. I've been doing that. All. Game. I've been trying to figure out good lynches. All. Game. Like, I'm JUST NOW saying fuck this and going away. JUST NOW! I haven't done that before now, I never "gave up" trying to find a good lynch when I voted risk.nuke as evidence by my filtering and subsequently scumreading Circ. I DID say that I wanted to lynch risk first, but from my perspective I've had reason to believe he's mafia since DAY FUCKING ONE! Anyone saying I only wanted to push risk because he's a lurker is a fucking LIAR or is FUCKING WRONG. I'm not saying you only wanted to push risk because he's a lurker at all, I believe there is actually a good reason to scum read him for promises broken and unable to give reads in the thread which has already been discussed before. But I don't think he was your top scum read going into the day and pointed out a couple things in your post, I just want you to calm down come back and decide if risk shoudl be the lynch today or if we should look somewhere else, and if we should send jay or obi off today. risk IS the lynch today. I've made that quite clear, in fact gone so far as to say that anyone who is voting for risk is claiming mafia if they unvote risk. And we send off Obi today imo, I've been townreading Jay all game. I could be wrong, but Jay is aware of his "Best Mislynch NA" meta and I don't think as mafia he 1v1's like anyone in the thread. So do you think Obi is scum then? Or is it solely because of your read on jay? It's based solely on my townread of Jay. Obi MIGHT be mafia - HF did the whole catching him in a lie thing which he still denies, it still looks bad to me. Also there was the bit about him throwing shade on me during N1 for no reason, only to back completely off when the pressure was on him D2. Obi is the better bet for mafia, so that's where my vote is.
What about the nature of the power itself. Challenging someone to a 1v1 and giving an extra lynch. Do you think that is clearly town sided power, mafia sided power, or could be both?
Same with Obi's claimed D1 power, which was +2 votes or -3 votes (As malfurion)? Town/maf/neither?
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On November 06 2014 05:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 06 2014 05:28 ritoky wrote:On November 06 2014 05:24 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 06 2014 05:23 ritoky wrote:On November 06 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 06 2014 05:15 Damdred wrote:On November 06 2014 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 06 2014 05:09 Damdred wrote:
No theres still time for VE to calm down come back and really help us figure out the lynch. You can say all the mean words in the world to me VE but I still want you to play and calm down. I've been doing that. All. Game. I've been trying to figure out good lynches. All. Game. Like, I'm JUST NOW saying fuck this and going away. JUST NOW! I haven't done that before now, I never "gave up" trying to find a good lynch when I voted risk.nuke as evidence by my filtering and subsequently scumreading Circ. I DID say that I wanted to lynch risk first, but from my perspective I've had reason to believe he's mafia since DAY FUCKING ONE! Anyone saying I only wanted to push risk because he's a lurker is a fucking LIAR or is FUCKING WRONG. I'm not saying you only wanted to push risk because he's a lurker at all, I believe there is actually a good reason to scum read him for promises broken and unable to give reads in the thread which has already been discussed before. But I don't think he was your top scum read going into the day and pointed out a couple things in your post, I just want you to calm down come back and decide if risk shoudl be the lynch today or if we should look somewhere else, and if we should send jay or obi off today. risk IS the lynch today. I've made that quite clear, in fact gone so far as to say that anyone who is voting for risk is claiming mafia if they unvote risk. And we send off Obi today imo, I've been townreading Jay all game. I could be wrong, but Jay is aware of his "Best Mislynch NA" meta and I don't think as mafia he 1v1's like anyone in the thread. So do you think Obi is scum then? Or is it solely because of your read on jay? It's based solely on my townread of Jay. Obi MIGHT be mafia - HF did the whole catching him in a lie thing which he still denies, it still looks bad to me. Also there was the bit about him throwing shade on me during N1 for no reason, only to back completely off when the pressure was on him D2. Obi is the better bet for mafia, so that's where my vote is. What about the nature of the power itself. Challenging someone to a 1v1 and giving an extra lynch. Do you think that is clearly town sided power, mafia sided power, or could be both? Same with Obi's claimed D1 power, which was +2 votes or -3 votes (As malfurion)? Town/maf/neither? Could be both imo. Like it's balanced to go either way it looks like - giving town an extra lynch feels town-favored, but having to include one's self could be mafia flavored as well. And Obi's power feels incomplete. So Obi would have us believe that Malfurion Stormrage has a vote manipulation power and one other power he's received today that is useless? It just doesn't seem right...like, I don't even know what to think about his power because I still feel like I don't know anything about it. No, I just didn't get a second power.
Is your first power still available for use today or has it evaporated?
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On November 06 2014 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 06 2014 05:33 risk.nuke wrote:On November 06 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 06 2014 05:15 Damdred wrote:On November 06 2014 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 06 2014 05:09 Damdred wrote:
No theres still time for VE to calm down come back and really help us figure out the lynch. You can say all the mean words in the world to me VE but I still want you to play and calm down. I've been doing that. All. Game. I've been trying to figure out good lynches. All. Game. Like, I'm JUST NOW saying fuck this and going away. JUST NOW! I haven't done that before now, I never "gave up" trying to find a good lynch when I voted risk.nuke as evidence by my filtering and subsequently scumreading Circ. I DID say that I wanted to lynch risk first, but from my perspective I've had reason to believe he's mafia since DAY FUCKING ONE! Anyone saying I only wanted to push risk because he's a lurker is a fucking LIAR or is FUCKING WRONG. I'm not saying you only wanted to push risk because he's a lurker at all, I believe there is actually a good reason to scum read him for promises broken and unable to give reads in the thread which has already been discussed before. But I don't think he was your top scum read going into the day and pointed out a couple things in your post, I just want you to calm down come back and decide if risk shoudl be the lynch today or if we should look somewhere else, and if we should send jay or obi off today. risk IS the lynch today. I've made that quite clear, in fact gone so far as to say that anyone who is voting for risk is claiming mafia if they unvote risk. And we send off Obi today imo, I've been townreading Jay all game. I could be wrong, but Jay is aware of his "Best Mislynch NA" meta and I don't think as mafia he 1v1's like anyone in the thread. That is so stupid on both counts. First of all I'm town, wanting me lynched is ridiculous but you're in complete denial. Despite hardly even having been active day2 you're yelling NUH-UH I'm going to lynch the shit out of nuke today, I don't even care about other people, this is final and anyone disagreeing with me is scum. This is you right now Viscera. If you're town which I think you are, calm fucking down and stop being an idiot. Secondly, out of obi and jay, jay is both the less helpful player and the more suspicious looking one. That's why he should be lynched. I've said it before and I'll say it now again. If you feel like you're a poor lynch then stop hanging out and watching the game and start participating in the game. Part of that is doing more than just posting defensively against anyone who speaks up against you. Give reads on other players, give your opinion on the gamestate. You've said you think I'm town, so if you're town then who are the mafia on your wagon? Are there mafia on your wagon? Who are the mafia pushing if not you? I've probably been the most active person day2 you priggish shit, It's all of fucking you who's been missing. I'm finding it hard to separate town from scum because for most of this cycle town and scum have been doing the exact same shit. Which is nothing, and being content with sitting on your arses and waiting for my (or maybe circs) lynch to happen. Well good job everyone because it might happen, but when I flip town you'll have noone to blame but yourselves. Since I haven't been able to get reads of people who aren't here I've been trying to get the one person I can tell with absolute certainty is mafia lynched. But none of you even fucking cared about that either. Because you're not satisfied with my amount of reads. You're just sitting around waiting for me to magically whip up reads from nothing. Which I can't do because you were not here to give me material.
First off, you've been the most active person day 2 is lol.
Secondly, there's 116 pages of content, how do you have 1 read? Like this blows my mind. You found nothing from the HF and VE interaction, nothing from my reads post, nothing from all the interactions with damdred, nothing from the scum lynch yesterday?
What do you make of the oblivion choice, JayB or OWS?
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scratch that you already answered the 3rd question, i am an idiot
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On November 06 2014 06:37 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 05:00 ritoky wrote:On November 06 2014 03:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've given my suspicions of risk.nuke. It revolves around him being near to the thread without participating in discussion, and it's well documented. Alakaslam will verify that I've been on risk.nuke's case since yesterday. I wasn't "sheeping you" I was finding a common ground from which we can move forward since you disagreed with my Damdred read.
I'm still fine with a Damdred lynch honestly, but do you really think risk.nuke is town now? Based on what? Me being on his wagon? I WAS ONLY ON THE WAGON BECAUSE YOU PUT ME OFF A DAMDRED WAGON!!! ???? Here is this strange crap about slam again????? Tell me what is strange! My one ability that doesn't suck is I glom onto things that happened while I was live.
I feel like he is over-crediting you for things, and over-town-reading you for things in odd places and for not really strong reasons. It's just the timing of his mentions and reads on you I am having difficulty understanding.
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i can't vote, my vote was given to the light.
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On November 06 2014 09:31 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:25 ritoky wrote:
i can't vote, my vote was given to the light. Any comment on what i posted?
i think you're a more likely mafia target than OWS, have expressed it multiple times.
i agree with you that oats is hanging back and it is suspicious, but i seriously can't read him to save my life.
i think slam has done similar things this phase, toward the end of last day phase he had a burst of seriousness, he hasn't had it this time. he seems content lynching afks...which makes me doubt him a bit more.
i think misder's post is a pile of crap. most if it is vague "feeling reads" we are 100some pages in, i expected something more. he also mentioned he felt intimidated; i don't like when people talk themselves down it feels bad to me.
i also don't think risk is likely mafia.
none of this matters though since i don't have a vote on that wagon.
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On November 06 2014 09:36 Damdred wrote:
This might sound insane,
is it balanced for town to have two ways to manipulate the vote by adding votes? This just struck me generally theres a balance, its true I can take away a singular vote, but for instance Misder was able to add 4 votes by himself yesterday obi could of added some or subtracted three.
Do you think town has two vote manipulators? Or am i just to paranoid here
from the votes, it looked like misder was able to gain additional votes by putting them on himself. dealing damage to oneself to gain votes to me would correlate in hearthstone terms to either eye for an eye or life tap or something in that vein; but that's wifom as hell.
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On November 06 2014 09:42 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:37 ritoky wrote:On November 06 2014 09:31 jaybrundage wrote:On November 06 2014 09:25 ritoky wrote:
i can't vote, my vote was given to the light. Any comment on what i posted? i think you're a more likely mafia target than OWS, have expressed it multiple times. i agree with you that oats is hanging back and it is suspicious, but i seriously can't read him to save my life. i think slam has done similar things this phase, toward the end of last day phase he had a burst of seriousness, he hasn't had it this time. he seems content lynching afks...which makes me doubt him a bit more. i think misder's post is a pile of crap. most if it is vague "feeling reads" we are 100some pages in, i expected something more. he also mentioned he felt intimidated; i don't like when people talk themselves down it feels bad to me. i also don't think risk is likely mafia. none of this matters though since i don't have a vote on that wagon. Just cause you cant vote doesn't mean you shouldn't give reasons to vote someone. Do you think circumstance has a higher chance to flip mafia?
circumstance has literally done 0 to change my read from yesterday and a couple pages ago, i posted a giant list of reads on this.
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Okay, we need to really begin solving this game tonight.
I am in a position where I, barring something ridiculous, cannot die tonight; as my power tonight is pretty much the most op thing I have ever read.
I am Uther Lightbringer, if you don't believe me, I bread crumbed it in my first 6 posts:
![[image loading]](http://oi62.tinypic.com/25qycnq.jpg)
My powers have been:
D1: Blessing of Wisdom - Masoned with HF
N1: Divine Favor - Not explaining this, it would only be beneficial for mafia.
D2: Redemption - Allow player lynched by standard lynch to continue posting until 24 hrs into next cycle - used on risk
N2: OP-OP
My goal with this claim is to form the largest possible town circle, centering it around myself and HF who are confirmed towns. HF also claimed to be masoned with another person, so if it was via the same power then that person could be added to the confirmed list.
Then I am beginning my work on my voting analysis as we have 3 votes to base information off of; and we can begin adding to the town circle from there as well. We need to pro-actively narrow down the list and form a strong circle so that stupid crap like people sitting on an afk that 0 people defend for 30 hrs and saying nothing else does not happen again tomorrow.
Vote Analysis, coming shortly.
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Votes
There's a lot of vote manipulation going on, so I did my best to follow the voting thread and copy only what people typed in there. There may be a couple errors here.
Day One Final Vote Count
LordTolkien: jaybrundage, ritoky, Holyflare, Alakaslam, VisceraEyes, Seuss, risk.nuke, Circumstance, Blazinghand, jrkirby, Misder, oatsmaster, ObiWanShinobi
jrkirby: Damdred
Damdred: liancourt
CIrcumstance: GlowingBear, LordTolkien
LordTolkien has been lynched.
Day 2 Final Vote Count
risk.nuke: VisceraEyes, Alakaslam, Holyflare, jrkirby, Oatsmaster, Misder, ObiWanShinobi
Oatsmaster: risk.nuke
Misder: Damdred, Jaybrundage, liancourt
Not voting: ritoky, Circumstance
OBLIVION!!!!
Jaybrundage: Alakaslam, ObiWanShinobi, risk.nuke, ritoky, Misder
ObiWanShinobi: Holyflare, VisceraEyes, liancourt, Jaybrundage, Oatsmaster, Seuss, Damdred, jrkirby
Not voting: Circumstance
Vote Analysis:
Misder:
Mafia voted on - 1 (LT)
Town Voted on - 1 (risk.nuke)
Lynches Contributed to - 2 (LT, risk.nuke)
Most Frequently Votes with - Alakaslam, ObiWanShinobi (3)
ritoky
Mafia voted on - 1 (LT)
Town Voted on - 0
Lynches Contributed to - 1 (LT)
Most Frequently Votes with - risk.nuke, Alakaslam, ObiWanShinobi, Misder (2)
jrkirby
Mafia voted on - 1 (LT)
Town Voted on - 2 (risk.nuke, OWS)
Lynches Contributed to - 3 (LT, risk.nuke, OWS)
Most Frequently Votes with - HolyFlare, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster (3)
Seuss
Mafia voted on - 1 (LT)
Town Voted on - 1 (OWS)
Lynches Contributed to - 2 (LT, OWS)
Most Frequently Votes with - Whole bunch of people (2)
VisceraEyes
Mafia voted on - 1 (LT)
Town Voted on - 2 (risk.nuke, OWS)
Lynches Contributed to - 3 (LT, risk.nuke, OWS)
Most Frequently Votes with - HolyFlare, jrkirby, Oatsmaster (3)
Oatsmaster
Mafia voted on - 1 (LT)
Town Voted on - 2 (risk.nuke, OWS)
Lynches Contributed to - 3 (LT, risk.nuke, OWS)
Most Frequently Votes with - HolyFlare, jrkirby, VisceraEyes (3)
Alakaslam
Mafia voted on - 1 (LT)
Town Voted on - 1 (risk.nuke)
Lynches Contributed to - 2 (LT, risk.nuke)
Most Frequently Votes with - OWS, misder (3)
Damdred
Mafia voted on - 0
Town Voted on - 1 (OWS)
Lynches Contributed to - 1 (OWS)
Most Frequently Votes with - Jaybrundage, Liancourt (2)
Liancourt
Mafia voted on - 0
Town Voted on - 1 (OWS)
Lynches Contributed to - 1 (OWS)
Most Frequently Votes with - Jaybrundage, Damdred (2)
Circumstance/CR
Mafia voted on - 1 (LT)
Town Voted on - 0
Lynches Contributed to - 1 (LT)
Most Frequently Votes with - BUNCH OF PEOPLE
HolyFlare
Mafia voted on - 1 (LT)
Town Voted on - 2 (risk.nuke, OWS)
Lynches Contributed to - 3 (LT, risk.nuke, OWS)
Most Frequently Votes with - Oatsmaster, jrkirby, VisceraEyes (3)
jaybrundage
Mafia voted on - 1 (LT)
Town Voted on - 1 (OWS)
Lynches Contributed to - 2 (LT, OWS)
Most Frequently Votes with - Lot of people (2)
Initial Observations:
- The group that has contributed to all 3 lynches are: HF, VE, Oats, and jrkirby
- The other voting block to vote with eachother all 3x is: Alakaslam, misder
- Alakaslam has 0 mentions of misder in his entire filter, yet has voted with him 3 times.
- Jaybrundage has a scum read and posted a huge case on damdred, yet voted with him both times today.
- In the VE/HF/Oats/Jrkirby group, Oats and jrkirby ALWAYS vote after HF and VE
- Circumstance and ritoky are the only people to have not voted on a town
- Damdred and Iiancourt are the only people to have not voted on a mafia
Going to look at it a little more closely, and potentially color a few more names green to try to narrow down some conclusions from this.
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On November 06 2014 13:53 liancourt wrote:
How is ritoky and hf confirmed town?
Did someone seer them?
First time i am hearing this.
We were masoned together day1 -> night 1, we formed the case that lynched mafia. The mason pm confirmed that we were town together.
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@VE and HF, please give me reads on jrkirby and oats.
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was it from the same power HF or a different one?
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On November 06 2014 14:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh.
Yeah my Mason was different from the first one.
It was for 1 day only though, no nights.
What was the title of the skill?
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Town:
ritoky
HF
Tentative Town:
VE - his frustration and the descriptions of his powers don't read as anti-town to me.
Oats - he masoned HF, and if it was through a similar power as mine then it confirms him as town; i am not 100% on it as i can't read him
Seuss - not based on solid information, based on my read of him. his thought progression and questioning seems on point for a townie.
Stock falling, need to re-assess:
Damdred - I have had a town read on damdred since day 1 for 2 reasons:
1) damdred pointed on circumstance's scum slip almost immediately, which I STILL think is a scum slip.
2) damdred claimed and demonstrated that he had an aldor peacekeeper ability (paladin), and i knew on day 1 i was uther (paladin) and HF was tirion (paladin) and we were both town. call it wifom if you want, but it was the reason that has been in my head for a long time.
However, I am beginning to re-evaluate and see that extending a voting phase, denying a vote, and messing with how some1 posts isn't exactly the most town set of powers I have ever read. Don't know if he is mafia yet at this point, but not in tentative town area anymore.
Uneasy feelingz -
Misder - I really liked misder super early when he basically just straight answered questions, plus he used his vote multiplier thingy to lynch mafia rather than divert a lynch, but was kinda flippy-floppy on it so idk started to lean mafia a bit. HOWEVER, this:
On November 06 2014 11:50 Misder wrote:
4) ritoky - town: had town vibes day 1, pretty sure he breadcrumbed being mason with Holyflare
This seems REALLY observant for someone with such a short filter. Like TOO observant. Like someone mentioned it in a QT and you grabbed it and used it in your read level of observant. And if you've been that observant, then why aren't you contributing more to town?
Tentative mafia -
JayBrundage - I still don't think his power was pro-town and I still don't think his play was pro-town. He made 0 follow-up on his supposed enormous scum read on...etc...etc the case is in my filter, but no one cared then, doubt any1 cares now. Jaraxxas/gul'dan just seems mafia sided if valeera was mafia sided to me as well, but that's wifom.
Alakaslam - 1 word: Stagnant. That is what slam has been. He played fine day 1 and seemed to give some shits. Now he has stagnated, nibbling at the edges of things, never getting involved, and his reads have not progressed in the slightest. He sits around maintaining the same theory since w/e even though it is completely wrong.
Circumstance/CR - Early scum slip d1, everything he posts is pretty generic, could have been lynching between two mafia day 1. Could re-eval after CR begins posting.
Iiancourt - completely underwhelming, non-committal, not even sure what his reads are; everything he posts seems generic and uninvested.
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