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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 05:09 GMT
#327
On October 31 2014 14:08 Holyflare wrote:
i think we should just save the analyse till the end of the day and use it on the most unreadable player


i think we should use it on seuss of risk.nuke as of now. if it's good, then we get info on non-posters thus far. if it's bad, then it goes on someone who hasn't posted.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 05:20 GMT
#340
On October 31 2014 14:13 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 14:08 ritoky wrote:
On October 31 2014 14:03 jaybrundage wrote:
On October 31 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 31 2014 13:55 jaybrundage wrote:
On October 31 2014 13:53 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 31 2014 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would analyse scum.
british spelling.

GB, are you scum?


So, you think asking me if I'm scum is doing a better job than pointing out a bad entrance?
C'mon oats.

Would you prefer if that person hadn't posted then? Would that be more townie?


Tell me the town motivation behind coming to the thread, summarizing a thread 2 pages long, downgrading his gameplay and bringing nothing contributive.

It isn't even a conversation starter.

You didn't answer my question

You stated if they didnt wanna joke around why would they post. I would say cause people feel obligated to post on day 1 as there is nothing else to do.

As for downgrading himself. I know i am not the next prodigy mafia player, palmar incarnate. I am a just an average mafia player that enjoys the game. Who cares if someone knows they aren't great. I think people say that ts a scum tell but i never feel like scum actually use it.


You are on about some really arbitrary, nitpicking stuff imo. I am not a fan.

There's a difference between knowing you're not great; and first posts advertising how not great you are.

I'm trying to get people to post about there reasoning and to post more so i can get a better read on them. The faster there is substance in the thread. The faster real analyzing can happen. By me "nitpicking" hopefully you can also get a better read on me as well as GB. Who is my nit...pickeded XD


How is hammering on a point that he clearly won't back down on and you disagree with getting more info into the thread? People already challenged him on it and he didn't budge. You just seem to be trying to find an arbitrary hole to throw scum at. I am not very fond of you atm.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 05:24 GMT
#345
On October 31 2014 14:20 Misder wrote:
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On October 31 2014 14:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Alternatively you can try talking to me instead of dictating how to waste our analyzer thingie within the first two hours of the game.

What kind of target do you think would be better for the cat?

And given what we know, if we don't use it in the next ~22 hours, we would have wasted one cycle of the cat. There are no charges, the cat says it does the analysis once it hits majority, and it refreshes every 23 hours.


I don't know if it was just you not being here, but seems like you were having a difficult time getting into the thread; then this cat appears. Now you're all cat all the time. Just a very awkward entrance.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 05:59 GMT
#391
On October 31 2014 14:58 Seuss wrote:
Oh hey.

##Analyze: GlowingBear


lolwut?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 06:13 GMT
#404
On October 31 2014 15:11 Misder wrote:
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On October 31 2014 14:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 31 2014 14:48 Misder wrote:
On October 31 2014 14:41 Holyflare wrote:
talking about the cat (aka policy) is a great way for mafia to blend in and is essentially complete wifom (useless because it could be scenario A, B or C) so really you're speculating about nothing and avoiding talking about scummy posts and what you think of other people because you are concentrating on something that doesn't help find mafia

which is what mafia love to do

How is saying who to vote to analyze on the cat or asking the mods about the mechanics wifom? Why do you think I'm trying to blend in if only me and jaybrundage are talking about it? What exactly am I speculating on? All that I'm trying to say is that we should use the cat this cycle, and I believed ObiWanShinobi was a good target (past tense because cause he's here and he's ok).
I don't have any true scum tells - only thing that stands out to me is that I agree with GB about jkirby's entrance being scummy. Why else do you think I would like to use the cat lol.

oh my gosh this post says nothing.

Why was OWS a good target Misder?

Who is scum now?

Again, he posted only a few filler posts at the time of my post, and choosing one person instead of an overarching group of people is best when getting things done (choosing a target to analyze).
As I said, I don't know. Everyone sees how Tolkien is acting. Circumstance? At this point, I don't have a strong enough tell to write a post on anyone yet.

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On October 31 2014 14:53 liancourt wrote:
On October 31 2014 14:48 Misder wrote:
On October 31 2014 14:41 Holyflare wrote:
talking about the cat (aka policy) is a great way for mafia to blend in and is essentially complete wifom (useless because it could be scenario A, B or C) so really you're speculating about nothing and avoiding talking about scummy posts and what you think of other people because you are concentrating on something that doesn't help find mafia

which is what mafia love to do

How is saying who to vote to analyze on the cat or asking the mods about the mechanics wifom? Why do you think I'm trying to blend in if only me and jaybrundage are talking about it? What exactly am I speculating on? All that I'm trying to say is that we should use the cat this cycle, and I believed ObiWanShinobi was a good target (past tense because cause he's here and he's ok).
I don't have any true scum tells - only thing that stands out to me is that I agree with GB about jkirby's entrance being scummy. Why else do you think I would like to use the cat lol.


if you agree with gb why dont u analyze kirby?

Because everything that needed to be said was said at the time of reading/posting. I like my vote on Tolkien better right now anyways, if anything.

Too tired to think, gn guys. Please get a consensus for who to vote for in like 8 hours (don't spread votes out too much since we need majority vote).
##Analyze: Circumstance


Wat is this?

"don't spread your votes out we need consesus" -> places vote on random dude that there's been 0 discussion about analyzing and gives no real reason.......am so confused by this it isn't even funny.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 21:02 GMT
#506
i find VE playing uncharacteristic from my previous experiences too. like he has 0 emotion, isn't showing a particular level of interest in the game, and defaulted to an afk rather than push his reads....i seem to remember VE really trying to push his reads and not easy to talk off of them, unless i got him confused for someone else.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 21:07 GMT
#508
speaking of odd people. anyone else find damdred odd?

i read his filter cuz i don't really remember anything about him in the game and i was surprised to find 2 pages. all of it seems to be pretty soft-ball questions with 0 follow-up and very vague general and ambiguous statements. outside of a half of a push on GB he doesn't seem to be interested in pushing a scum read at this point.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 21:31 GMT
#515
On November 01 2014 06:26 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 14:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 31 2014 14:41 liancourt wrote:
On October 31 2014 14:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Good to know that HF and Oats are town this game.


how'd you come to this conclusion?


Holyflare: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=17#334

His follow up posts on Misder were pretty good too. The way he's phrasing things and the way he's analyzing stuff looks pretty town imo.

I just found myself agreeing with what the two of them were saying about Misder and I liked the points they were bringing up. Oats also had a really good post based on keeping discussion off of the stupid cat thing and onto important things.


Most content worthy post of obi i could find. i agree with this post cos i think misder is scumny


why is misder scummy?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 22:31 GMT
#528
On November 01 2014 07:16 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 15:36 jrkirby wrote:
Yah, idk about Lord Tolkein. He's made only one post that I'd consider slightly townie.

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2014 12:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:
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On October 31 2014 12:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Reminder: circumstance and damdred probably couldn't be mafia together. I don't think mafia damdy would call out his mafia partner for a slip like that.
So, at least one town between them.

lies, LIES

I've seen mafia wifom this shit d1 yo, esp since this is weaker than a wisp



The rest has been a waste of keystrokes. If the day ended right now, I wouldn't mind it if he were lynched.


Why so srs guy. Serious but surprisingly no content except this. Finds a townie post of LT but votes him anyway...cos the rest were jokes hmm. Maybe we think differently i see ppl with humor in good light although LT isnt really funny. I still cant understand him so scummy for now


On October 31 2014 13:12 liancourt wrote:
Kirby doesnt look awkward to me any hes answering evrrything and if he wants to play serious ok let him play serious. If he doesnt play serious and posts jibberish later then I ll have to consider him scum.

circum seems logical using lofty words. I get the feeling he has no emotion like havung a poker face for some reason. I look forward to seeing his logical posts later on. If he doesnt make sense scum.



What happened to this read? I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusions; but earlier you said he doesn't look awkward and is answering everything seriously. Now you criticize him for being serious and say he has no content. But he was answering everything, how does that make sense? Also, you were posting at the same time when he made that post and didn't respond to it in any way; yet waited until now to bring it up. Why would you do that if you find it so odd?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 23:29 GMT
#549
VE, I think your original post accusing risk was not as directed as what you just recently said as what you are letting on. I think the emphasis was less so on how mafia find it easy to talk about 3rd party and such, and moreso directed toward him fucking off after that's the only thing he has done. I don't disagree with you, I just think that you and GB are probably two town fighting.

JayB, that case on HF is bad.....as was your list of quote case earlier....

Also, we should probably get some consensus on the analysis soon.

I was thinking about it a bit: 1) the cat sounds like foolishness.
2) still don't know if the cat does what it says
3) does the cat just make a case on someone based on the content in the thread or does it get additional information?

I think in 1 of our 2 cycles we might want to potentially use it on a complete lurker to see if the cat get's additional information outside of posts. Because if it doesn't....it doesn't exactly seem extremely useful outside of just being another person with an unknown objective.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 23:36 GMT
#554
On November 01 2014 08:30 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 08:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:16 jaybrundage wrote:
On November 01 2014 04:44 Holyflare wrote:
Jay your posts are all policy and i don't need to include you arguing with gb because you were again arguing over policy so there's that, then you also make a giant case thing on me which apparently has no relevance because you're voting for the person I've called mafia...? So not only does that entire post say nothing but you don't even follow through with the nothing on me.

Again your saying things things that are strictly untrue. I first started posting to gb about how he called out someone's first post as not saying anything and if they didn't wanna joke they shouldn't post and that didn't make sense to me. So no I was not "only" arguing about policy.

Second off you never called him mafia

See this WHOLE POST you never once called him mafia. In fact I voted in the thread for LT BEFORE you did!! Are you being intentionally ironic. I don't get how you can type this shit and act like your in the right.
On October 31 2014 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
also LT completely different and i mean COMPLETELY different from his fanfic game and all he's done is talk about useless things that the op contradicts (alignment/role stuff) and wants to lynch/joke lynch me based off of something when he knows that im busy doing something else (he came and saw me playing league) also super weird unvote after gb made a post and then disappearing


What my post says is that your saying things in your posts that are strictly untrue and your shit flinging at me. And you continue to say things that aren't true and shit fling.

Alakaslam said this is normal for you as both alignments which is baffling to me.

Can anyone who has played with HF comment on this stuff. As it stands I wouldn't mind if he is out day 1 lynch.


That doesn't tell much about his alignment, IMO. Anyway, I always have a hard time reading HF

I thought lying and shit flinging are chiefly mafia traits. GB if you have a town read on HF can you tell me why? He did some poke at misder but misder replied and that was it. Is there anything else that would make you think HF is town?


Other than the fact that HF basically folds over and dies easily as mafia? He is active, he is pressing people for activity, his reads are developing and not stagnant, he is shoving people away from policy discussion, and he is slightly agitated. All town HF stuff from my pov. He is town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 23:41 GMT
#560
On November 01 2014 08:36 GlowingBear wrote:
I think lian, for example, posted a lot so you can get a first impression, but you have none.


Lian typed a lot and didn't say very much early on, which bugged me. He reads me town tho, so he has that going for him. Then he suddenly just started reading people without being asked and giving reasons behind them; which was town. Then he flipped one of his reads without a real explanation and kinda contrary to what he had stated earlier. I asked about it, waiting for a response. Not looking as bueno as it was for him.

Also, you need to get out of the tunnel and look at other people in the game.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 31 2014 23:42 GMT
#561
On November 01 2014 08:39 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 08:35 jaybrundage wrote:
I would join a risk.nuke lynch. He is a coinflip and always a liability late game. Add the fact that he always lurks.

And not much reason to keep him around.

Also LT I don't believe I have seen you contribute yet still waiting.

Woah!
What do you base those accusations on?


On a scale of 1 to 28, how many pages of this thread have you read?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2014 00:01 GMT
#570
oh god, i am at an impasse. policy tells me to never lynch the person who is the most active on d1 and policy tells me to lynch the first person who suggests lynching someone for being a lurker.....GB WHY ARE YOU BOTH?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2014 01:04 GMT
#610
need an analyze target from everyone here if you haven't put one in. the cycle ends soon.

current leader is jayb i believe. i think he is an alright enough target as of now.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2014 01:10 GMT
#612
On November 01 2014 10:05 jrkirby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 09:35 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 01 2014 09:33 jaybrundage wrote:
On November 01 2014 09:20 jrkirby wrote:
BH why didn't you let us discuss rng lynch before culculating the rng so we can tell if anybody changes their mind about rng based on the outcome of it?

Why even discuss it. Its dumb. At best its a first post conversation starter. This late in the day it has no useful applications

Except hitting scum more than day1 analysts

This is why I'm following the RNG. Sure it might disagree with my reads, but what real use are day 1 reads anyway? They've been shown historically to almost never lynch scum.


what statistics are you using for this?

can we lynch this guy? like srsly. he doesn't give reads, he talked incessantly about the cat, does more nothing, now he wants rng because d1 reads suck? you haven't even tried to develop strong reads or push for information in any way. you're just looking for easy shit to talk about to appear active and involved, and when it doesn't work out you have an excuse. welcome to my scum list.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2014 01:11 GMT
#613
w/e we will just start with this, since who knows what the fuck it does:

analyze: jrkirby
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2014 01:26 GMT
#619
On November 01 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote:
So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke?


This post is also bad.


what strikes me as odd is that wasn't it circ who came in to hard defend jrkirby early on when he was being pressured? then once again jrkirby starts to take interest in a gb lynch and now circ is suddenly around and interested? there's something funky goin on between these two.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2014 02:02 GMT
#630
On November 01 2014 10:47 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 10:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 01 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote:
So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke?


This post is also bad.


what strikes me as odd is that wasn't it circ who came in to hard defend jrkirby early on when he was being pressured? then once again jrkirby starts to take interest in a gb lynch and now circ is suddenly around and interested? there's something funky goin on between these two.

Do you want me to explain my schedule to you? I will if you want.


Could be mere coincidence, I am mostly just making a note in the thread to myself and others about the topic; I really have no idea where your head is at....neither with kirby as he doesn't really talk about reads either. But at least you don't have the breadth of posts with negligence like he has.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2014 05:08 GMT
#658
On November 01 2014 13:29 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 12:29 liancourt wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:29 ritoky wrote:
VE, I think your original post accusing risk was not as directed as what you just recently said as what you are letting on. I think the emphasis was less so on how mafia find it easy to talk about 3rd party and such, and moreso directed toward him fucking off after that's the only thing he has done. I don't disagree with you, I just think that you and GB are probably two town fighting.

JayB, that case on HF is bad.....as was your list of quote case earlier....

Also, we should probably get some consensus on the analysis soon.

I was thinking about it a bit: 1) the cat sounds like foolishness.
2) still don't know if the cat does what it says
3) does the cat just make a case on someone based on the content in the thread or does it get additional information?

I think in 1 of our 2 cycles we might want to potentially use it on a complete lurker to see if the cat get's additional information outside of posts. Because if it doesn't....it doesn't exactly seem extremely useful outside of just being another person with an unknown objective.


i agree to test this cat we should use it on a lurker to see if it gives additional info. I think atm risk.nuke is the primary lurker so

##Analyze risk.nuke

You must of missed this. Using this on a lurker (if you do plan to use it) would be a waste.
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 00:02 Mr. Bigglesworth wrote:
To clarify things:

I am a player from outside the game. I was summoned by a townie who I must keep in secret.
I'll analyse a player as any player would. This means I will read the thread, focus on that player's posts, and say what I think about him, i.e., make a case.

Talking about me will lead nowhere. I am town aligned but I'm not a killable player. Which means you will gain nothing trying to know who I am or if I am town, mafia or 3rd party, for I'm none.

This is my last post until the first analysis. Meow.



Why do you trust and believe the cat before it has even done anything? Cuz no one has ever lied in a mafia game right?

And how is it a waste? How do you know the cat doesn't have more information? If you use it on a lurker with nearly no content and the cat comes back with something more; it potentially has more info, if it says idk, then it is basically useless since it just distributes an opinion from a source who's motive we don't know. I don't see how that is a useless proposition in the slightest. The fact that you have 0 skepticism over this shit doesn't reflect a townie mindset.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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