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haha if we lynch Jeff and he flips red I win the game 'cause first post.
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On October 13 2014 06:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Im fine with jeff as well. But.
Hold on, going to ask BH how he RNGd scum D1.
I'm not RNGing. Especially this late.
He uses some function...I forget what it's called or how it works.
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On October 13 2014 07:04 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 06:50 mordek wrote:
I feel like odds are at least one of the "vets" is on town side. There's a chance that's not the case but not a good one. My thoughts on Wave and Soniv to a certain lesser extent: They start off the game with what feels like a pro-town atmosphere. Since then they've backed off considerably I'd say. But they're back now which I guess was expected with the deadline coming up very soon. Lord Tolkien has still hasn't convinced me he's acting in the town's best interests.
So far I've voted Cixah and then LT. I thought I had somewhat of a meta-read on Cixah and probably had that creating some confirmation bias in my mind reading through his posts. So now that I'm convinced Cixah is town I thought I should look at who else voted Cixah. Obv Alz was also critiquing his posts but also Ghandi seemed to hop on the Cixah wagon. I thought I had a valid reason voting for him but Ghandi, like usual it seems, offered little insight.
I'm sticking with LT for now, that's what my gut says but I also thing Ghandi is at the least not-Town.
Mordek did you read what I wrote about LT? Do you think it makes sense for him to do what he did? I read he was in your top 2, and you had some kind of read on him and voted. LT then voted Asmo with no explanation. I made some comments after being accused of sheeping with your vote and LT has not convinced me anyone else is scummier.
No I meant this.
On October 13 2014 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Of course I'm here. I'm just observing right now. You're a big boy, you can live without me posting and validating your opinions. Speaking of which, I think you see me as town more than I see you as town. Don't think I don't notice your constant buddying up and using me as an excuse to make your reads valid to town.
I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why.
LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets.
MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied. No, I expect you to do more. If you think that latest post was a buddying attempt you're sorely mistaken. The bolded is exactly why I don't think he's scum either, but pre-flip association IS a bit dangerous so I can't discount it completely. Essentially my reasoning on LT is the fact that the wagons at the time were him and MB...LT then unvotes MB...as scum there is absolutely ZERO reason to do that if MB is town and you can pull off a mislynch. MB could still be scum but I have other reasons to believe he may not be and I'm not sure I want to force the issue.
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On October 13 2014 07:05 ketchup wrote:
Why does a ghandi bandwagon make more sense than comadose? Especially when comadose is already on the Ghandi bandwagon?
Because if we're coinflipping one of those two has an excuse to not be here. The other doesn't.
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Yeah you're going to leave it until like 30 min before deadline to start doing something?
I think I just got a little more confident in my voting.
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On October 13 2014 07:13 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 06:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I'm glad we could see eye to eye Alaric.
@MB, I want to point out that I'm still open to be swayed. No one's 100% guilty on D1. Come @ me with something good and I'll switch to that lurker scumbag Coma because he certainly hasn't done much good for himself. Vice versa for you Coma. Why aren't you scum? Haha what say you now Alaric See my post right after yours for a more detailed explanation. Although in retrospect I told myself that overly clinging to one's first impression and being fiercely confrontational was also something Tolkien did, and in the very same post I wrote that it made me rethink a bit if that wasn't a town move from me. Why wouldn't Moonbear benefit from the same treatment for how he behaved? It could be pointed out that both you and Tolkien have some experience under your belts, which makes me more likely to "accept" that there's a reason behind you doing that I'm too green to grasp yet. On the other hand, just because it's Moonbear's first game doesn't mean he's not maybe better at this kind of things than you. An issue for me here is that I have no idea what "serious" Moonbear is like, since he's always that jolly cheerful fellow with us in the off-topic thread (heck, even when he warns me it's more like "PSA from your friendly neighbour"!), which muddies my expectations. But in the end I said I'd rather vote for someone dubious than an afk*, so I'm looking at him right now. Moonbear, what that means is that you're close to a default lynch than a 100% scum read for me, so if you wanna stay alive it's up to you buddy! Be convincing, preferable before I go to bed.  * my "policy" in terms of lynching lurkers is that I assume noone will lie and pretend they have RL stuff to justify them lurking, and Mafia's still a game in the end, so I'd rather have everyone play. It means I'm wary of lynching people who've been away for non-game reasons, while someone who participated, even if he's lynched day 1 will have at least had a go at it (syntax?). Obviously the more time passes the less it holds, and I won't be as "lenient" in that regard come day 2. Cf. the "carebear" post.
I have no idea what you're talking about here.
I was referring to the fact that you removed your vote from Asmo and then he goes and scums it up a little by talking about how he's giving himself and others opening to control his voting patterns rather than take responsibility for them himself.
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On October 13 2014 07:16 ketchup wrote:
By the way, if moonbear is a no show, this means he is mod killed anyways. I think stacking mod kill + lynch on moonbear is actually a really good town play. Rather than letting people dictate RNG kill or anything else.
This only makes sense if you assume we're not lynching scum today or MB is town.
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On October 13 2014 07:19 ketchup wrote:
So moonbear getting mod killed is somehow scum play Wave? You want to RNG vote ghandi because that's somehow town play?
Scum get modkilled all the time.
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On October 13 2014 07:21 ketchup wrote:
lolol I didn't expect jcarlsoniv, tolkien and wave to try to argue against this with the same bad logic. WOOOOOWWWWWWWW.
We must all be scum.
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On October 13 2014 07:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ugh, I'm confused.
I was fairly certain I was on the right track, especially when the Swaglord bandwagon got some steam. But now the dust is settling and MB has a bunch of votes. I'm not as certain as I was before.
Starting to see things my way, hmm?
Ketchup has a point in that if we think MB is town, AND we don't think we can lynch scum today we should dump votes on a modkill because losing two towns would be terrible.
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The other thing to consider actually is Dandel is unlikely to modkill D1, rather warn instead as that seems to be the usual course of action. I'll ask however.
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Actually this modkill discussion in general is pretty silly. I don't think MB is going to get modkilled either way.
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On October 13 2014 07:26 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 07:04 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 06:50 mordek wrote:
I feel like odds are at least one of the "vets" is on town side. There's a chance that's not the case but not a good one. My thoughts on Wave and Soniv to a certain lesser extent: They start off the game with what feels like a pro-town atmosphere. Since then they've backed off considerably I'd say. But they're back now which I guess was expected with the deadline coming up very soon. Lord Tolkien has still hasn't convinced me he's acting in the town's best interests.
So far I've voted Cixah and then LT. I thought I had somewhat of a meta-read on Cixah and probably had that creating some confirmation bias in my mind reading through his posts. So now that I'm convinced Cixah is town I thought I should look at who else voted Cixah. Obv Alz was also critiquing his posts but also Ghandi seemed to hop on the Cixah wagon. I thought I had a valid reason voting for him but Ghandi, like usual it seems, offered little insight.
I'm sticking with LT for now, that's what my gut says but I also thing Ghandi is at the least not-Town.
Mordek did you read what I wrote about LT? Do you think it makes sense for him to do what he did? I read he was in your top 2, and you had some kind of read on him and voted. LT then voted Asmo with no explanation. I made some comments after being accused of sheeping with your vote and LT has not convinced me anyone else is scummier. No I meant this. On October 13 2014 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Of course I'm here. I'm just observing right now. You're a big boy, you can live without me posting and validating your opinions. Speaking of which, I think you see me as town more than I see you as town. Don't think I don't notice your constant buddying up and using me as an excuse to make your reads valid to town.
I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why.
LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets.
MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied. No, I expect you to do more. If you think that latest post was a buddying attempt you're sorely mistaken. The bolded is exactly why I don't think he's scum either, but pre-flip association IS a bit dangerous so I can't discount it completely. Essentially my reasoning on LT is the fact that the wagons at the time were him and MB...LT then unvotes MB...as scum there is absolutely ZERO reason to do that if MB is town and you can pull off a mislynch. MB could still be scum but I have other reasons to believe he may not be and I'm not sure I want to force the issue. Ok, so the flipside being MB and LT are both scum but that's too obvious and he would never do that?
Yeah, and while possible it's extremely unlikely.
On October 13 2014 07:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I vehemently disagree.
Hence why I'd rather take a full RNG vote involving everyone.
That will never happen so stop talking about it.
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Can you stop with the manipulation talk?
I can do it too:
LOOK AT KETCHUP GUISE HE SCUM HE TRYING TO MANIPULATE US TO WASTE OUR LYNCH ON MB
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Talk of modkilling stops here. It is extremely unproductive. MB is not going to be modkilled. We are going to talk about which scum we are going to lynch today.
I feel a lot better about my vote on Jeff right now---I didn't really consider his taunting me earlier particularly scummy because that's a tactic I've only ever see more experienced scum use but I feel it's possible. The fact that he's leaving his explanations/defenses until right at the end of the day to force a scramble for majority is pretty anti-town as well. He has also shown he doesn't give any fucks about this game at all so I can think of no good reason to keep him around, even if he is town.
Would you want Jeff in a 3-man LYLO?
Vote accordingly, people.
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On October 13 2014 07:35 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:
This sucks.
I don't want to lynch a townie, but in lieu of a better argument for WHO to lynch (even if that argument is in the form of an RNG function... though I'm not in favor of that on principle) I gotta stick to my guns.
MB's showed no evidence he's town and provided no good reasoning or opinions for anyone else. What he has done is post a bunch of weird, unclear stuff. That smells like scum. I dunno, I think that was just him trying to spark discussion in his own, crazy, british way. Tryhard (though silly) posts != scum
Tryhard posts can absolutely be incredibly scummy Req, but that's not the point. The point is we lynch Jeff today.
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On October 13 2014 07:36 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 07:13 Alaric wrote:On October 13 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 06:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I'm glad we could see eye to eye Alaric.
@MB, I want to point out that I'm still open to be swayed. No one's 100% guilty on D1. Come @ me with something good and I'll switch to that lurker scumbag Coma because he certainly hasn't done much good for himself. Vice versa for you Coma. Why aren't you scum? Haha what say you now Alaric See my post right after yours for a more detailed explanation. Although in retrospect I told myself that overly clinging to one's first impression and being fiercely confrontational was also something Tolkien did, and in the very same post I wrote that it made me rethink a bit if that wasn't a town move from me. Why wouldn't Moonbear benefit from the same treatment for how he behaved? It could be pointed out that both you and Tolkien have some experience under your belts, which makes me more likely to "accept" that there's a reason behind you doing that I'm too green to grasp yet. On the other hand, just because it's Moonbear's first game doesn't mean he's not maybe better at this kind of things than you. An issue for me here is that I have no idea what "serious" Moonbear is like, since he's always that jolly cheerful fellow with us in the off-topic thread (heck, even when he warns me it's more like "PSA from your friendly neighbour"!), which muddies my expectations. But in the end I said I'd rather vote for someone dubious than an afk*, so I'm looking at him right now. Moonbear, what that means is that you're close to a default lynch than a 100% scum read for me, so if you wanna stay alive it's up to you buddy! Be convincing, preferable before I go to bed. * my "policy" in terms of lynching lurkers is that I assume noone will lie and pretend they have RL stuff to justify them lurking, and Mafia's still a game in the end, so I'd rather have everyone play. It means I'm wary of lynching people who've been away for non-game reasons, while someone who participated, even if he's lynched day 1 will have at least had a go at it (syntax?). Obviously the more time passes the less it holds, and I won't be as "lenient" in that regard come day 2. Cf. the "carebear" post. I have no idea what you're talking about here. I was referring to the fact that you removed your vote from Asmo and then he goes and scums it up a little by talking about how he's giving himself and others opening to control his voting patterns rather than take responsibility for them himself. Oh. That. Well I'm not 100% sure either and I tend to be a pretty passive person in general (as in "I gather as much information as I can until I'm as sure as I think I'll ever be, and even then I have doubts"), so I'm technically still opened to "swaying" myself, as I mentioned with the "for lack of a better option". I assume it's normal for day 1, though, since even the vets are unsure? And it should be better once day 2 rolls around and we have firmer reads. Also who is BH and what's that RNG talk?
Don't worry about the RNG business. And yes a lot of people are unsure, but announcing to the thread that your vote is essentially not being determined by your own ideals means that if you mislynch you don't have to be blamed for it. Dun like it.
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On October 13 2014 07:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:26 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 07:04 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 06:50 mordek wrote:
I feel like odds are at least one of the "vets" is on town side. There's a chance that's not the case but not a good one. My thoughts on Wave and Soniv to a certain lesser extent: They start off the game with what feels like a pro-town atmosphere. Since then they've backed off considerably I'd say. But they're back now which I guess was expected with the deadline coming up very soon. Lord Tolkien has still hasn't convinced me he's acting in the town's best interests.
So far I've voted Cixah and then LT. I thought I had somewhat of a meta-read on Cixah and probably had that creating some confirmation bias in my mind reading through his posts. So now that I'm convinced Cixah is town I thought I should look at who else voted Cixah. Obv Alz was also critiquing his posts but also Ghandi seemed to hop on the Cixah wagon. I thought I had a valid reason voting for him but Ghandi, like usual it seems, offered little insight.
I'm sticking with LT for now, that's what my gut says but I also thing Ghandi is at the least not-Town.
Mordek did you read what I wrote about LT? Do you think it makes sense for him to do what he did? I read he was in your top 2, and you had some kind of read on him and voted. LT then voted Asmo with no explanation. I made some comments after being accused of sheeping with your vote and LT has not convinced me anyone else is scummier. No I meant this. On October 13 2014 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Of course I'm here. I'm just observing right now. You're a big boy, you can live without me posting and validating your opinions. Speaking of which, I think you see me as town more than I see you as town. Don't think I don't notice your constant buddying up and using me as an excuse to make your reads valid to town.
I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why.
LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets.
MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied. No, I expect you to do more. If you think that latest post was a buddying attempt you're sorely mistaken. The bolded is exactly why I don't think he's scum either, but pre-flip association IS a bit dangerous so I can't discount it completely. Essentially my reasoning on LT is the fact that the wagons at the time were him and MB...LT then unvotes MB...as scum there is absolutely ZERO reason to do that if MB is town and you can pull off a mislynch. MB could still be scum but I have other reasons to believe he may not be and I'm not sure I want to force the issue. Ok, so the flipside being MB and LT are both scum but that's too obvious and he would never do that? If I were scum I would be bussing him so so hard to win town cred as he's clearly useless as a mafia partner and/or not troll D1. Lol.
Ugh let's not consider bussing please. There are already so many people in here who don't understand trends and the way things work. (That being said I'd bus like absolute fucking crazy too lol 'cause I always do)
I may be reconsidering an Asmo lynch. He's just so apologetic and hanging on to the coattails of others....
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On October 13 2014 07:39 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Talk of modkilling stops here. It is extremely unproductive. MB is not going to be modkilled. We are going to talk about which scum we are going to lynch today.
I feel a lot better about my vote on Jeff right now---I didn't really consider his taunting me earlier particularly scummy because that's a tactic I've only ever see more experienced scum use but I feel it's possible. The fact that he's leaving his explanations/defenses until right at the end of the day to force a scramble for majority is pretty anti-town as well. He has also shown he doesn't give any fucks about this game at all so I can think of no good reason to keep him around, even if he is town.
Would you want Jeff in a 3-man LYLO?
Vote accordingly, people. You aren't a mod, stop trying to dictate how this game goes. Until a mod comes out and tells me this isn't allowed, I will definitely keep posting about it. The mod kill discussion was 100% legit because of this random ass move to jump on the ghandieagle bandwagon started by you, and followed by Tolkien. Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:34 MoonBear wrote:
I've been busy zzz. Just because I write like Bill Gross doesn't make me scum. Focus on the people trying to be disruptive instead. Read into what people are doing and not people write on D1 imo since there's so little to read into anyway. You guys are getting so twitchy about each shadow in the forest as if there are ghosts as you drive through and ignoring the wolf howls right outside.
##Vote: GhandiEAGLE This moonbear jump on ghandieagle bandwagon is hilarious. ##Vote: MoonBear
Ugh you annoy me SO MUCH but you have a point
MB do you have any opinions whatsoever?
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On October 13 2014 07:40 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alaric:BH is Blazinghand, and im referring to the ongoing fantasy football mafia game. They RNGd into scum d1.
Oh holy shit really?
They finally listened to him and hit a scum lynch?!
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