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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2014 22:08 GMT
#1541
On October 16 2014 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 07:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 07:02 Cixah wrote:
The only problem I see with this situation is if Scum DO have a roleblocker and Ketchup's post from way back at the start of D2 is true that he got roleblocked.

If you claim roleblocked you realize what will happen right?


It doesn't fucking matter. I'll either die tonight or I'll be roleblocked. And if neither happens, then I get a check off. I'm now in a fairly helpless position because my hand was forced.

DONT BE MAD @ ME I STILL LUH U



no.

stop
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 15 2014 22:08 GMT
#1542
On October 16 2014 07:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 07:05 AsmodeusXI wrote:
##Unvote

Well I'm lost.

You shouldn't be.


I mean, not so lost I won't vote Jeff.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-15 22:09:59
October 15 2014 22:09 GMT
#1543
On October 16 2014 06:51 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
K, read it.
Not as much lols to be had as I thought there might be (though I wonder at what point your continued refusal to see me as town eventually makes me lynch you).

You did forget to consider the scenario where all three of us are town. Not sure why you don't talk about that at all. Also not sure why you're absolutely certain 2 of us are scum rather than one. Like...the analysis is decent if you had more to base it off of but there's so much speculation interspersed in there based on very little. I dunno what else to tell you in that regard man. I really think one of us is going to feel VERY silly at some point in this game, and I highly doubt that person is me.

As I posted above, it's fairly statistical that 1/3 of the three of you is scum, given Cixah is IC and I would not put myself in the calculation. That's a numbers game, which is the closest thing to "hard evidence" that there is in this game (of course, with the prior knowledge the Statistics are not in any way a perfect tool, it's about as good or better than feelings).

And given the interactions, I find it highly unlikely that only one of you is Scum, except in the situation that Ghandi is the only one out of you that is.

That said, if we vote Ghandi and he flips RED, I don't feel that this clears you or Soniv. I just feel that the Soinv - Wave - Ghandi scenario is more likely than the Soinv - Wave - Ghandi or Soinv - Wave - Ghandi scenarios.


Just re-reading the last page. If the last sentence is true, why do you still have your vote on Soniv over Ghandi?

That was going to be my post before soniv claimed. QQ
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 22:09 GMT
#1544
On October 16 2014 07:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 07:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 07:02 Cixah wrote:
The only problem I see with this situation is if Scum DO have a roleblocker and Ketchup's post from way back at the start of D2 is true that he got roleblocked.

If you claim roleblocked you realize what will happen right?


It doesn't fucking matter. I'll either die tonight or I'll be roleblocked. And if neither happens, then I get a check off. I'm now in a fairly helpless position because my hand was forced.

DONT BE MAD @ ME I STILL LUH U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5OXON8vIaA


no.

stop

NEVAR

k but seriously this changes a great deal of shit for me and I don't know if I have enough time to look at things before lynch so I hope we's right on Jeff.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 15 2014 22:09 GMT
#1545
On October 16 2014 06:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 06:54 Requizen wrote:
On October 16 2014 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like it sounds arrogant but I'm being completely truthful here, the fact that that you still can't see me as town req is concerning because it's either just deplorable townplay, or scumplay. Unfortunately I still think you fit into the first category.

Everyone thinks that about themselves. If you seriously think that I'm going to write off anyone as pure town, you're crazy. Even Asmo, who is my highest Town read, is not free from suspicion.

The fact that you take any suspicion towards yourself and immediately turn it around and say "Of course I'm squeaky clean, you're scum for not agreeing" does not make me trust you in the slightest. Every person in this thread should realize that they are not clean.

Except Cixah.

lol I don't expect confirmed town from you but there are just so many facets to my towniness that you continually, pruposefully and obstinately ignore it's just SO bad.

In any case this doesn't go anywhere so no point in discussing.

Vote count, maestro.


Again, this does not inspire confidence. "I'm so totally Town that you don't even KNOW" isn't a defense.

Yes, you have done plenty of Town things. So has everyone, and there are still 3-4 Scum among us, and possibly even a Third Party. If I look at anyone, I can find reasons to trust them. My reasons for mistrusting you are still beeping on my radar louder than everyone else.

On October 16 2014 06:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Alright, whelp, it's pretty clear at this point that the only way to get you idiots to stop voting for me is to claim. I am the Parity Cop.

"But Soniv, why didn't you claim earlier?!"

I was hoping that I would be able to talk you guys into putting your pitchforks down, and I was still pretty confident I could up until recently. As the Parity Cop, it is imperative that I make it through N2 without being roleblocked or killed. The longer I go without claiming, the longer scum goes without knowing what I am, and I was really hoping I would not have to claim. But for a town that bitched and moaned that Wave was trying to take control at the start of the game, you sure have been happy to let him lead your crosshairs.

I crumbed my N1 target, and earlier today I crumbed my intended target tonight. (both parts bolded in the below posts)

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 07:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Y'know, I come out of Alzadar's filter actually thinking he's more townie. There were some posts I remember that I thought were surely scum leaning, that register to me differently this time around. Example:

On October 12 2014 04:46 Alzadar wrote:
Bandwagon? I was the first to suspect Cixah, decided to actually vote cause Wave seems antsy to have us vote, and I trust him as our fearless Townie leader.

Strategic talk: if you hold the oldest vote on someone (as Ghandhi did), you shouldn't change it arbitrarily, you're giving up tiebreak power.


First time around, the first part of the post seemed odd and sheepish to me - reflecting what I said earlier about him saying things to satisfy the thread. But before this post, he put Wave at probably town, and so this reads more as someone who is collaborating with someone he kinda sorta might trust a little bit.

Also, the second part exemplifies another quality of his general posting. He's been talking about setup stuff here and there (a fair amount of it earlier on), and usually it's not very productive or helpful and often distracts town. But rereading, he asks coherent questions that apply to the game flow, they show that he's invested in the goings on and is paying attention (despite backwards canadiansgiving). His filter comes off with more of a town vibe than I expected it to.

It did remind me of two things as well.

1. The IC claim was at a really weird time. That's right, I'm lookin' at you 6ah. I really hope that confirmation comes through or D2 is going to be very boring lol.

2. I want to take a look at Ket Chup. He's someone who I haven't really noticed even though I know he's been posting quite a bit. He will probably be my next focus.

On October 14 2014 07:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:
If wav and sonib are mommy and daddy, what does that make me? The young twink that daddy's having an affair with?


the mistress


Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 15 2014 07:03 ketchup wrote:
Err just to make it bold:

##Unvote: Soniv
##Vote: Req


at least someone is coming to their senses

On October 15 2014 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv the best thing you can do right now if you're town is do what you haven't done in like fucking ages.
Provide some reads.
HELP OUT THE TOWN in some way.
If you die and flip green this way we'll have a whole bunch to work with
Your vote/case on Req doesn't help you much in my eyes. There are a lot of people in this game still, and I have no idea what you think about most of them.


When I think someone is town, I say that they're town. When I think someone is scum, I say that they're scum. There's no use in me stating that I have null reads on all of these scummy as fuck lurkers, just as you do. I have already said that my town reads are you, ketchup, 6ah (obviously), Alaric, and probably Alz. You know my biggest current scum read right now is Req, and somewhat lesser than that is Coma. I thought you were on to something with Asmo until he made his case on me; now I'm not so sure. The rest are a bunch of god damn lurkers that I don't know how to get a read on. I'll probably put my eye to one tonight to try and glean any semblance of usefulness. This whole thread feels like town yelling at each other for the most part while a bunch of people are watching.

There's my stupid fucking list post, all of my reads can be found in the thread, as I know for a fact that I've said them all.

Speaking of scummy as fuck lurkers...Jeff, where the fuck are you


Now, Wave, instead of tunneling me as hard as you did, you probably should have actually read my posts instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA YOU'RE SCUM" - you might have noticed what I am. But at this point, you're either retarded or malicious, and I'm honestly leaning towards the former. Either way, you can suck my dick.

There are two hours left. Now get your god damn fucking votes off me.


This is interesting to say the least. Let us see the scenarios:
1) Soniv is lynched and flips GREEN (IE, lying to try and save himself). This puts Mafia in a bad position, but Town in a worse one. Do not want, bad situation.
2) Soniv is lynched and flips BLUE. This is bad. Very bad.
3) Soinv is lynched and flips RED. This is good.
Statistically, lynching him is a bad call. But, before I unvote, we have to consider that this is the perfect cover for Mafia!Soniv. He can't prove himself N2, and if he stays alive and I am shot N2 or hanged D3, he remains "The Parity Cop" with no way to prove he isn't.

So... I don't know. If I pull my vote off him, I'm basically signing my own death warrant. Because one of two things is going to happen. Either Mafia kills me tonight, which puts him under suspicion, or Mafia kills him tonight, which puts me under suspicion for killing him off for outing me.

As I know I am not scum, I think the best thing to do here is to do this:

##unvote jcarlsoniv

I will likely die at the end of the night tonight. But, if I do not, and Soniv dies tonight, take this vote and post into account before you lynch me on D3.
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 22:11 GMT
#1546
Req wtf?
What are you going on about?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 15 2014 22:12 GMT
#1547
lol if scum don't kill a pretty much confirmed blue they are stupid.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
October 15 2014 22:12 GMT
#1548
augh im so bad. I'm sorry everyone. I just realized I made a mistake again, and edited my post
I have prayed to the god mod that he will spare me one more time.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2014 22:12 GMT
#1549
Well, I guess Wave was right, someone is going to end up looking like the idiot here.

If Soniv is no longer scummer number 1, then I'm going to stay with whomever I think is second. It was OWB until my last exchange with Mordek, which convinced me. If I'm going to die, then y'all need a bit of a blueprint for when I flip town.

Mordek is guilty as fuck. I've gone over the reasons many times.

Coma gives nothing but "vote ghandi" for some reason or another, looking into him will be good, but do note that I'm not sure scum would bank so hard on someone they knew was town, and risking looking like a chump the next day.

Asmo is flippy-floppy, and has managed to avoid contributing repeatedly. It somehow turns out people ask him for reads, he gives a very political answer, and then he disappears for awhile until he wants to switch his vote. That's sketchy.

Look into Wave for starting this whole anti-ghandi bandwagon, and if it's not Soniv or I then Wave is much more likely than I expected. This is an interesting development, especially for you Req.

I wish I could pin a third, but I can't really decide. OWB and Mordek for me.

Also, has anyone ever faked a blue reveal? Is that kosher, or is it as stupid as you'd think?
##Vote: Mordek
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 15 2014 22:13 GMT
#1550
On October 16 2014 07:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Req wtf?
What are you going on about?

Oh wow, I totally misread. I thought he said his second check was on me for being his biggest scumread.

Still, I stand by my vote removal. And given that I am his biggest scumread, there's a decent chance he's looking into me anyway, so the logic stands.
It's your boy Guzma!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2014 22:14 GMT
#1551
Oh just so I can have something here, how confident is everyone here that I'm anything but VT? Just for posterity and potentially saving it so I can laugh at people later.

XD

Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 15 2014 22:15 GMT
#1552
On October 16 2014 07:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
##vote: ghandiEAGLE
DO we have enough time to look at the voting patterns for today/yesterday with the assumption that soniv is town?

I don't, and I was about to post a wall of text to ketchup explaining which role I thought Ghandi played (TL;DR: Ghandi is at worst distraction against us, doesn't force mislynchs or anything, so he should always take the backseat compared to a "real" harmful scum read, and if we don't get any satisfactory one by the end of the day we can default to him*).

Also Soniv you're pretty lucky they posted so much last page. Was about to finish it and go to bed, suddenly 2 more pages.
##Unvote
##Vote: Ghandieagle


Please don't spam too much guys, I want to be able to do some work tomorrow morning.

* turns out that's what happened tonight. Meh, I'd have prefered to get our "free lynch" under the thumb, but "wasting" him now is still better than a blue mislynch.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 22:16 GMT
#1553
I think if Jeff flips green we flat out lose.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
October 15 2014 22:16 GMT
#1554
On October 16 2014 07:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Well, I guess Wave was right, someone is going to end up looking like the idiot here.

If Soniv is no longer scummer number 1, then I'm going to stay with whomever I think is second. It was OWB until my last exchange with Mordek, which convinced me. If I'm going to die, then y'all need a bit of a blueprint for when I flip town.

Mordek is guilty as fuck. I've gone over the reasons many times.

Coma gives nothing but "vote ghandi" for some reason or another, looking into him will be good, but do note that I'm not sure scum would bank so hard on someone they knew was town, and risking looking like a chump the next day.

Asmo is flippy-floppy, and has managed to avoid contributing repeatedly. It somehow turns out people ask him for reads, he gives a very political answer, and then he disappears for awhile until he wants to switch his vote. That's sketchy.

Look into Wave for starting this whole anti-ghandi bandwagon, and if it's not Soniv or I then Wave is much more likely than I expected. This is an interesting development, especially for you Req.

I wish I could pin a third, but I can't really decide. OWB and Mordek for me.

Also, has anyone ever faked a blue reveal? Is that kosher, or is it as stupid as you'd think?
##Vote: Mordek


Blue fake claim is possible, but usually it won't happen this early or in the manner that it did. Basically, he has a very low chance of surviving past day 3 or he might even die night 2 depending on what scum chooses to do.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2014 22:17 GMT
#1555
I think Wave is right

Have fun everyone

I'm seriously appalled you guys tunnelvisioned this hard.

3 kills tonight gonna fuuuuuuuuuun to watch. Hopefully if theres a 3P poisoner he kills mafia.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 22:18 GMT
#1556
I know what the ideal scumplay is here but obvs not gonna bother posting it.
Ughhh night actions are gonna be balls

Maybe we get lucky and we have a 3P poisoner who targeted scum
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2014 22:19 GMT
#1557
Even if we lose, I'm glad it's by killing Jeff. Kid, you've done shit all this entire game. And the fact that so many people ignored most of my play this entire day is the sad part.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 15 2014 22:19 GMT
#1558
Azladar, Mordek, and Ketchup are the only sketchy people left on my list.

I really don't like it.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 22:19 GMT
#1559
I'm feeling particularly weak right now.
You guys are free to yell at me really loudly for this, but anybody wanna switch to Coma?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 15 2014 22:20 GMT
#1560
On October 16 2014 07:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm feeling particularly weak right now.
You guys are free to yell at me really loudly for this, but anybody wanna switch to Coma?


Give me 2 good reasons why.
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