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MB still hasn't provided anything that makes me think he's not scum, and now he's avoiding modkill soooooo DIE BEAR DIE ##vote MoonBear @Jeff - You may have been serious about wanting to lynch wave at the beginning, but you made no real effort to get it done, so excuse me if I don't quite believe that. | ||
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There was a wagon on LT, given momentum by you. There was a subsequent re-wagon on Jeff. Wanna know who gave that one momentum? You. *gasp* If the Bear bleeds like I think he will, I'm comin' for ya buddy | ||
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On October 13 2014 08:49 ketchup wrote: Still a vote on moonbear is better than removing votes from him this late into the day. I think removing votes from anyone this late helps scum more than it helps town. precisely could I have posted more today? sure. But I thought my read was correct, and watched the LT wagon pile up. It looked like something scum would do, I expressed my opinions on LT. Wave swinging his weight arround to get votes to go all over the place is not in town's favor right now. I know what you were hinting at Wave. I would think MB wiser than to ask openly about how to convey his powers to people. I saw it, and still do see it, to be more about bluefishing. If I'm wrong, then sure, it's on me. But I'm sticking with my gut on this one. | ||
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On October 13 2014 08:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Or he has no idea you're supposed to claim. If he is that detached from the game, then at worst it's as bad as shooting into lurkers. | ||
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On October 13 2014 08:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright as I said I sincerely hope you guys are right. I'll gladly eat the attacks I'm likely to face in the case of my being wrong because I know I won't get lynched because of it and we can move on and win. wave pls | ||
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On October 13 2014 09:32 WaveofShadow wrote: It doesn't have to, I was talking to soniv who seemed to think I was making excuses same as him. Obviously that doesn't completely clear me, but at least I get that warm fuzzy feeling knowing I didn't contribute to the delinquency. You did though. You buffered your opinion with "man I hope you guys are right". How is that any different? | ||
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On October 13 2014 13:59 Alzadar wrote: Hardly well-trod and not really resolved. People moved on because that was the point but now it's night and we've got time to kill. If you want to hear a new line of thought Soniv could you explain what you meant here: Explain what? I thought moonbear would flip red ("bleed red"), and that if he did, there was a strong possibility of Wave being scum as well. Day 1, Wave swung his weight around, and he did give momentum to bandwagons when he did vote. Both bandwagons seemed determined to get the lynch away from MB, so I thought I was right. I was not. | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:46 Alzadar wrote: But when you made that post Wave still had his vote on MoonBear. Wave unvotes and calls for votes off MoonBear after you made that post (the post immediately after, so maybe it was simultaneous, but you can't have been reacting to him). And? I'm not talking about Wave's vote on MB at all. I'm talking about him giving any semblance of momentum to anything other than MB (in this case, LT and Jeff) - just look at the voting patterns late D1. But it's a bit of a moot point right now since the bear bled green. I don't like last minute vote switches. I made a gut call and I was incorrect, but I'm much happier to do that than to comply with Wave causing chaos at the last minute. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:08 Cixah wrote: Wave early in his posting, mentions his "Pre Game" strategy with Soniv in TS. I may be completely in the wrong for thinking this, but that phrase doesn't sit right with me in game with so much information being gleamed from every word. I Part of me thinks this was just the decided code on how they can mention the quickthread, but that's really loose reasoning. Most likely Paranoid, but it felt like something worth bringing up on N1. Before the game started, we had a short discussion about how we thought certain people would play (mostly regarding the first timers). We were right about some, not so right about others. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote: And does any of the above make me scum, good sir? Time to school you as well, I think. Can you show how it's more likely that a scum Wave decided not to vote midday because he didn't want to get caught voting in a bad place rather than me having difficulty deciding? Can you show how being indecisive emulates a scum mindset? Can you show me how it's more likely that I was trying to enact last minute shenannies to somehow further scum ends rather than simply trying to get you guys off a likely town member? I'm not saying it makes you scum. I'm saying that you shouldn't be surprised that everyone isn't just blindly following you. But maybe I'm putting too much stock in how I think a scum wave would know how to play. Also I'd like you to show me where I criticized you for not voting....cause I can't seem to find it. Maybe you can point it out to me though. You're right, I misremembered the below post. In my head I remembered you pushing harder to get me to vote. My mistake. + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2014 10:08 WaveofShadow wrote: What, you're going to let me do all the work? I doubt we'll be lynching scum if I'm the only one voting...care to join me, frand? Oh and Jeffy's recent question reminds me of a setup detail I feel like I should mention even though it's completely unrelated to anything. Actually now that I think about it I think I was going to include it in my intro post as a reason for people to protect the hell out of me tonight but oh well. + Show Spoiler + In almost every 14-player game I have been a part of on this site, especially those with the possibility of 3P, there were 2 non-town KP on the first night. Since there is no SK this likely means scum will have a vig, 2KP/night (unlikely but possible), or there will be some sort of poisoner. I have been scum in such scenarios and I have actively misled the town before by only allowing them to consider the setup options that were wrong. Just something to consider when N1 happens. Of course it is also entirely possible I am completely wrong about the above :D Personally it looks to me like you're trying to throw tired old arguments at me---mafia buzzwords if you will----without thinking about them at all and assuming people will see 'Oh Wave was hypocritical about voting must be scum' and 'wave is being defensive/throwing his weight around' (I want to see how many times that phrase has come up now and who started using it actually) and look badly upon me. This is classically known as 'shit-flinging' and it serves two scum purposes: starts fights and serves to create discord and messes with town atmosphere (with the bonus of possibly demoralizing your target---and I'm ashamed to admit it's kind of worked because of the town members who have fallen under its spell), and it possibly sets up said player for a mislynch if people are not willing to look more deeply into the accusations. What is possible town motivation for 'shit-flinging?' Honestly, can;t think of any. A good town player would sit back and actually consider my actions from both perspectives rather than tossing open-ended suspicion at me, which is what you've been doing all game. [/QUOTE] I mean, you can call it shit-flinging if you want, but I'm not the only one who's been suspicious of your play thus far, obviously. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm not saying it makes you scum. I'm saying that you shouldn't be surprised that everyone isn't just blindly following you. But maybe I'm putting too much stock in how I think a scum wave would know how to play. You're right, I misremembered the below post. In my head I remembered you pushing harder to get me to vote. My mistake. + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2014 10:08 WaveofShadow wrote: What, you're going to let me do all the work? I doubt we'll be lynching scum if I'm the only one voting...care to join me, frand? Oh and Jeffy's recent question reminds me of a setup detail I feel like I should mention even though it's completely unrelated to anything. Actually now that I think about it I think I was going to include it in my intro post as a reason for people to protect the hell out of me tonight but oh well. + Show Spoiler + In almost every 14-player game I have been a part of on this site, especially those with the possibility of 3P, there were 2 non-town KP on the first night. Since there is no SK this likely means scum will have a vig, 2KP/night (unlikely but possible), or there will be some sort of poisoner. I have been scum in such scenarios and I have actively misled the town before by only allowing them to consider the setup options that were wrong. Just something to consider when N1 happens. Of course it is also entirely possible I am completely wrong about the above :D I mean, you can call it shit-flinging if you want, but I'm not the only one who's been suspicious of your play thus far, obviously. | ||
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Wave - I'm struggling to commit to a read on you because there's a conflict between what I'm observing and what makes sense. Your play would have been very indicative of scum had MB flipped red, but he did not, and I'm trying to figure out where I should be looking now. I've decided that I'm going to table my concerns on you for a little while because looking back, hindsight suggests that you truly were trying to protect someone you thought was blue. I'm not sure how much posting I'll get done before the end of the work day, but I'll be periodically rereading things from D1 and I'll hopefully have a more solid position before the day post. Coma's lack of presence is getting more concerning as time goes on. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:14 ketchup wrote: 14 player game is 4 scum??? Is that real? Can you explain please. This is a legit inquiry because I assumed 3 scum + 1 3P(with possible KP). This is also what I've been thinking, but I don't think I've ever played in a 14 players game? And I know admittedly little about game balancing. @Wave - right now leaning back towards Alzadar and my brain is telling me to take another look at mordek. This is before going back to reread stuff. I'm null on owb probably for the same reason as you are. | ||
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