I believe he's scum. There, I'm a nice guy, I put the TL;DR at the top this time.
I noticed a pattern in his accusations, they more or less go this way:
- he has a scum read on Soniv day 1, also Ghandi (once several people called him out on it).
Actually starts a bandwagon on Cixah which had crap reasoning (basically thought 55%/45% and 51%/49% is a weird way of expressing reads and trying not to commit; Ghandi straight-up said "I'm aboard the train choo-choo!", Alzadar said "He's been parroting Wave so far").
Tries to start a bandwagon on Tolkien (who we thought was weird, but I can see scum afraid of him, since he's only ambiguous to us), while defending Wave (like owb).
Night 1, Tolkien, who he accused but survived, gets killed.- Day 2 he's still reading Ghandi most but actually votes Soniv. Wave was pushing Soniv hard at that point, also note for later: why vote (and push a bit himself) Soniv if he poisoned him? He later says he's willing to change his vote... for Ghandi. I give him a pass there because most of us were accusing
both Ghandi and Soniv (I know I was, although I put Soniv above Ghandi), and although he said he valued consistency he
did mention Ghandi and Soniv as early as D1 (he always said Ghandi was is #1 but ended up voting Soniv first though).
His list (mid-D2) gives as top town the IC and 2 people widely seen as town by then (Wave and myself), and as scum the 2 people everyone was suspecting (Ghandi and Soniv), rest can pretty much be summed up as "lurkers, no real read". I don't know Wave's impression as a vet but re-reading it in the current situation (stumbled upon it while re-reading ComaDose's filter) it's like the perfect "blend in" post, parroting the popular opinions without committing anything (all reads are one-liners too). Note how he
later makes up a justification for it without being prompted.
He only made a more in-depth post when Wave quizzed him... about himself. To his credit he didn't panic nor try to deflect, which would have looked scummy. When Ghandi questions him (and after the "tiebreaker" shenanigan by owb) he switched his vote to him (eg. Ghandi), though.
His play Day 2 can actually be very well summed up by himself there:
On October 16 2014 06:18 mordek wrote:
When the vote is between you and soniv all day it's no longer igniting a bandwagon. I can't understand how you'd frame the situation that way. I'm ok if I'm at the top of the scum's list. I'm 100% sure we're on to something.
Nope, you're hiding in the crowd instead.
Then once Soniv claims, he follows Soniv on Alzadar,
then Wave on Coma.
Night 2, Soniv, who he accused but survived, gets killed. He also notices how Alzadar and Soniv were saved because their play was consistent with their claims, and he starts putting "hints" ('cause you know...
subtle) to prepare his own claim.
- Day 3, he doesn't post much. He
tries accusing me though, and when confronted with his own play springs his plan and
claims. I aleady addressed it so I'll direct you to
the relevant post + Show Spoiler [trimmed] +On October 17 2014 20:18 Alaric wrote:- Mordek indeed implied what I was thinking he implied. And he's claimed, which helps us a ton if it's true, but at that point I can't help but be skeptical.
Show nested quote +On October 17 2014 11:11 mordek wrote:
Ok it's a numbers game, and I'm basically vanilla at this point so I can't think why not.
Hi I'm your friendly drugstore pharmacist aka the Town Poisoner
I'll inform you that I decided with the delayed kill I needed to act N1. Ghandi and Soniv were my highest scum reads as I've stated multiple times.
So I poisoned Soniv because I figured Jeff was a very likely target D2. We might get a double scum flip :O
Obviously it turns out to be a terrible read. I used my antidote on soniv in the off chance he would live otherwise. I'm posting from my phone but just look at my night posts.
Anyways I figure now is the time to get town consolidated because there's no one left to shield anymore and I've used both vials.
To sum up:
- you're Vanilla now so you can't prove it anymore
- you had to use both vials because you targeted someone who "prove" himself right after
- he's now dead anyway, too (not sure if it changes something but still)
You're telling us to look at your night posts:
Show nested quote +On October 17 2014 00:29 mordek wrote:
Soniv, I just want to let you know your claim post inspired me. I'm going to try and make it up to you.
Show nested quote +On October 17 2014 01:15 mordek wrote:I get that. You probably read through my filter and after digesting it for like 5 minutes it gives you a
queasy feeling, sure. I'm going to
remedy that
My, such subtlety.
I mean, the way you put it I could reasonably see a thought process of "it saved Soniv and Alzadar, and I'm going to need a defense if I people turn to me, so if I imply that I'm Poisoner and make it obvious, those who notice it won't question me and I can use that to fake-claim later and show that I didn't make it up on the spot".
I know I didn't bring it up (just said a vague "imply" without pointing anything) because if scum didn't notice it too then they didn't me to show everyone.
Also Soniv and Alzadar showed that they did it from Day 1.
Your claim makes sense, and works well, but it works
so well it's pretty convenient. I don't know. Once I read your filter I'll have a more accurate opinion.
. TL;DR: how convenient.
I was actually almost certain he was scum at that point. I held back on purpose because I wanted to see his reaction but not show that I'd read through it. Now the cat's out of the bag I guess.
Also notice the red lines. That's the pattern I noticed first, that started my investigation. And when I saw him accuse me and Asmo, I could already fill in the blank for Night 3:
Alaric, who he accused but survived, gets killed.That's part of why I told you that I didn't want to voice my opinions so early, Wave, because I don't feel like dying. My initial plan was to get a condensed version of my conclusions in a "right-before-night-deadline" post like Soniv did before dying, just in case (with the "if X dies, look at Y" part from my previous post), and if I wasn't killed go through my guess' filter and do a post like this (although as you can see I expected it to be mordek, eg. Wave or me dying because we both expressed doubt toward him, although I took care not to do so too obviously).
The last things I can pick up from his filter are that his "Asmo/Req relationship" post which usefulness was questioned by you, was followed by
that one. It isn't incriminating, but I guess you can point out that he won't care about owb's filter since they barely had any exchange.
EPT
