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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 12 2014 20:06 GMT
#577
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.

##Vote Lord Tolkien
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 12 2014 20:10 GMT
#579
On October 13 2014 05:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.

##Vote Lord Tolkien

So you're just sheeping wave here?

Real question. Are you a lemming?

I'm being consistent. That was my first read. Usually it's the right one. It's the scum that flip back and forth and point to different people. You're not convincing me with this post that I'm wrong.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 12 2014 20:16 GMT
#581
On October 13 2014 05:13 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 05:10 mordek wrote:
On October 13 2014 05:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.

##Vote Lord Tolkien

So you're just sheeping wave here?

Real question. Are you a lemming?

I'm being consistent. That was my first read. Usually it's the right one. It's the scum that flip back and forth and point to different people. You're not convincing me with this post that I'm wrong.

Why do you think Im trying to convince you of anything?

Show me where I said you're trying to convince me. You also conveniently didn't respond to my post where I quote two of your posts and ask you a question.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 12 2014 20:21 GMT
#584
Look I'm fine if I've made a misread. However in one post I'm almost confirmed town and in your next post my style is newb mafia. You also managed to miss a post that quotes you twice?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 12 2014 20:28 GMT
#593
On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.

##Vote Lord Tolkien

On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.

I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to?

I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 12 2014 20:50 GMT
#607
On October 13 2014 05:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote:
On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.

##Vote Lord Tolkien

On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.

I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to?

I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon?

You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak.

So does wave's but not lynching him D1.

Ok, so I see you posted this twice so I'll respond. This is D1, I've tried to push and poke a couple things and observe. I haven't seen any better argument for someone being scum. Honestly, point me to who you think is scum and why and I'll vote if it makes sense. I'm not changing my vote just because Wave unvoted either.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 12 2014 21:50 GMT
#628
I feel like odds are at least one of the "vets" is on town side. There's a chance that's not the case but not a good one. My thoughts on Wave and Soniv to a certain lesser extent: They start off the game with what feels like a pro-town atmosphere. Since then they've backed off considerably I'd say. But they're back now which I guess was expected with the deadline coming up very soon. Lord Tolkien has still hasn't convinced me he's acting in the town's best interests.

So far I've voted Cixah and then LT. I thought I had somewhat of a meta-read on Cixah and probably had that creating some confirmation bias in my mind reading through his posts. So now that I'm convinced Cixah is town I thought I should look at who else voted Cixah. Obv Alz was also critiquing his posts but also Ghandi seemed to hop on the Cixah wagon. I thought I had a valid reason voting for him but Ghandi, like usual it seems, offered little insight.

I'm sticking with LT for now, that's what my gut says but I also thing Ghandi is at the least not-Town.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 12 2014 22:04 GMT
#644
On October 13 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 06:50 mordek wrote:
I feel like odds are at least one of the "vets" is on town side. There's a chance that's not the case but not a good one. My thoughts on Wave and Soniv to a certain lesser extent: They start off the game with what feels like a pro-town atmosphere. Since then they've backed off considerably I'd say. But they're back now which I guess was expected with the deadline coming up very soon. Lord Tolkien has still hasn't convinced me he's acting in the town's best interests.

So far I've voted Cixah and then LT. I thought I had somewhat of a meta-read on Cixah and probably had that creating some confirmation bias in my mind reading through his posts. So now that I'm convinced Cixah is town I thought I should look at who else voted Cixah. Obv Alz was also critiquing his posts but also Ghandi seemed to hop on the Cixah wagon. I thought I had a valid reason voting for him but Ghandi, like usual it seems, offered little insight.

I'm sticking with LT for now, that's what my gut says but I also thing Ghandi is at the least not-Town.

Mordek did you read what I wrote about LT? Do you think it makes sense for him to do what he did?

I read he was in your top 2, and you had some kind of read on him and voted. LT then voted Asmo with no explanation. I made some comments after being accused of sheeping with your vote and LT has not convinced me anyone else is scummier.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 12 2014 22:26 GMT
#682
On October 13 2014 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 07:04 mordek wrote:
On October 13 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 13 2014 06:50 mordek wrote:
I feel like odds are at least one of the "vets" is on town side. There's a chance that's not the case but not a good one. My thoughts on Wave and Soniv to a certain lesser extent: They start off the game with what feels like a pro-town atmosphere. Since then they've backed off considerably I'd say. But they're back now which I guess was expected with the deadline coming up very soon. Lord Tolkien has still hasn't convinced me he's acting in the town's best interests.

So far I've voted Cixah and then LT. I thought I had somewhat of a meta-read on Cixah and probably had that creating some confirmation bias in my mind reading through his posts. So now that I'm convinced Cixah is town I thought I should look at who else voted Cixah. Obv Alz was also critiquing his posts but also Ghandi seemed to hop on the Cixah wagon. I thought I had a valid reason voting for him but Ghandi, like usual it seems, offered little insight.

I'm sticking with LT for now, that's what my gut says but I also thing Ghandi is at the least not-Town.

Mordek did you read what I wrote about LT? Do you think it makes sense for him to do what he did?

I read he was in your top 2, and you had some kind of read on him and voted. LT then voted Asmo with no explanation. I made some comments after being accused of sheeping with your vote and LT has not convinced me anyone else is scummier.

No I meant this.
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 13 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Of course I'm here. I'm just observing right now. You're a big boy, you can live without me posting and validating your opinions. Speaking of which, I think you see me as town more than I see you as town. Don't think I don't notice your constant buddying up and using me as an excuse to make your reads valid to town.

I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why.

LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets.

MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied.

No, I expect you to do more. If you think that latest post was a buddying attempt you're sorely mistaken.
The bolded is exactly why I don't think he's scum either, but pre-flip association IS a bit dangerous so I can't discount it completely. Essentially my reasoning on LT is the fact that the wagons at the time were him and MB...LT then unvotes MB...as scum there is absolutely ZERO reason to do that if MB is town and you can pull off a mislynch. MB could still be scum but I have other reasons to believe he may not be and I'm not sure I want to force the issue.


Ok, so the flipside being MB and LT are both scum but that's too obvious and he would never do that?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 12 2014 22:27 GMT
#684
On October 13 2014 07:26 ketchup wrote:
It says voting is mandatory. He is definitely mod killed if he doesn't vote. I mean there is still a chance for moonbear to participate, but the fact that you guys think letting mafia have two kills on day 1 is a good idea. What a joke. This is why letting it stay on moonbear is definitely a good town move even if you think he is scum or town.

However we don't really gain anything from the voting record this way.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 13 2014 17:14 GMT
#877
Man I almost posted saying I think I've changed my mind on LT and then he goes and posts like this again. It's discouraging.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 13 2014 17:22 GMT
#894
On October 14 2014 02:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 02:14 mordek wrote:
Man I almost posted saying I think I've changed my mind on LT and then he goes and posts like this again. It's discouraging.

Im still watchin chu

I'm ok with that. Honestly, I'm struggling a little. I know this is just a game but my personality is just not handling this very well. This is an aside, isn't furthering any town agenda but I honestly need to get this off my chest. The first day was intriguing but I have been unbelievably stressed because of this game. I spent most of my waking hours yesterday mulling over this game and it just didn't feel healthy. I feel lonely and as much as I'm an independent man, the opinion of the majority of people affects me deeply. I've felt like crap IRL for the last 24 hours and it's silly but it is what it is. I need to recompose myself and I want to play the game out to the best of my ability.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 13 2014 17:25 GMT
#897
Why are we talking about different games and numbers? This sounds like scum activity.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 13 2014 17:28 GMT
#901
We're looking for scum, where was the confusion?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 13 2014 18:10 GMT
#909
On October 14 2014 03:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 02:25 mordek wrote:
Why are we talking about different games and numbers? This sounds like scum activity.

Nah it's actually pretty important. If there was 4 scum instead of 3 it would completely change the way we could start looking at scum relationships.

It's not important right now. This tells us nothing of who are next lynch target should be me. We really should stop talking about it. Personally I think all this conversation does is give scum an opportunity to act ignorant of their numbers.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 13 2014 18:12 GMT
#910
Wow epic fail on rewording that second sentence. "This tells us nothing of who are next lynch target should be." Period, no leftovers from the edited prior sentence. Wow that looks dumb lol.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 13 2014 20:14 GMT
#969
If I have to boil everything down and settle on on #1 scum read it's Ghandi. He was quick on Cixah wagon which admittedly I was a part of but I know my reasons but he didn't give his. He also hopped on the MoonBear wagon and peaced out except for one long post that changed Asmo's mind but meh.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 14 2014 12:21 GMT
#1135
On October 14 2014 15:07 Requizen wrote:
@ketchup

I have no more information. That was my summation of his posts before that point. He only posted a little bit afterwards, none of which changed my mind. He talked about the Wave/Soniv/LordT dynamic but it didn't make me think him more town or scum in any direction. So you can reread the same post, or I can type it out in different words again.

mordek is likely asleep as it is 1 here.

This is correct guys I go to bed 10pm EST lol. I have one more page to catch up on. As I've said multiple times, Jeff is my #1 scum read. Behind him are Coma/Alz/Soniv. I've been trying to do the pre and post flip associations like Wave did and figure out if it's possible to get a really good sense which of those 4 are probably opposite factions. I was under the impression if we flip Jeff we gain the most information or am I off base here?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 14 2014 12:34 GMT
#1137
For those on Req's case I don't think his evolution throughout the game is that surprising or suspicious. First of all, it would be a weird strategy if intentional. Second, it just looks like he's getting comfortable with the game. Most of the "drama" was him not understanding the game which is pretty understandable to me.

While owb has been posting about as much as me, I think he's brought up solid points each time so in terms of Alarics list I put them in town while I'm not sold Asmo.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 14 2014 14:54 GMT
#1144
I'm not sure I understand how you know everyone that voted for Ghandi is town. Can you explain?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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