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jcarlsoniv
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If 6ah had lied or was roleblocked, it would be safe to say that he would have been lynched D2. I would then see his alignment anyway and my next check would immediately reveal alignment of my 2nd target. If I checked two other targets, I would be able to make inferences based on my reads of either target, but I would not know with 100% certainty. Having 6ah be a control case put me in a really powerful spot moving forward, not that it matters much anymore. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On October 17 2014 00:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Wait, godfathers show up as town? I forgot about that rule x.x So Soniv's parity copping really doesn't show much of anything except a big likelihood of town :/ Correct. That's part of any detective role when they end up picking the GF. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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What I will say for now - the points Req raises are not as bad as you make them out to be Wave. For someone who seriously fucked up D2, you should not get a free pass to: On October 17 2014 01:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Req, flat out ignoring that post. Sorry buddeh. | ||
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On October 17 2014 02:11 Alzadar wrote: I guess he could have been? It's dangerous for me to assume Coma and potential scum Poisoner would think like myself, but why bother killing a vanilla? I think it would be totally feasible that Coma could have poisoned 6ah - 3p love chaos like that and killing the only confirmed townie would help further his own agenda? I'm not sure, but it's very difficult to speculate on potential poison targets. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On October 17 2014 02:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote: tbh it's a fucking miracle that I'm still alive ._. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ad/ad9e1b6b98f9aa96d9528f928843fdbe5bbf3be99745a0e0eb8e5d0f6947dc7c.jpg) | ||
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On October 17 2014 04:17 Alaric wrote: Uh, I'll try. Answer to you: I came to DotA 2 from LoL, I have a itsy-bits of mechanics but other than that wtf is going on in this game guys, it's not what I knew at all. Some sidetracking about a joke/anecdote I ended up not doing. An addition about how I still believe my gut call on Coma was right because in that setup serial poisoner's more dangerous than useful to town (asking confirmation from Soniv or you, but that's the impression I got), plus his play was def. suspicious. Correct. Any KP that is not town controlled is not in town's favor | ||
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On October 17 2014 07:09 Alaric wrote: Tbh I don't really care because of the likeliness of you getting killed/roleblocked tonight. Call me jaded. No, you're right. But I still have to try. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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Tonight is going to be interesting. I am excited. However, I am still unhappy because there is still so much unknown fuckery in this game. Requizen - I hear what you are saying, and you bring up a fair amount of good points about Wave. They're things that I've noticed myself. Let me see if I can explain my thought process about it. Wave was incredibly active and aggressive D1. He generally had a fairly pro-town attitude. He pressured people, he has been VERY present, and there is a lot of content in his filter. So much so, that it makes him unlikely to be scum - scum generally do not put themselves out there so much, it becomes very easy to slip up. However, every once in a while, there were...things that he did that I just could not understand from a town perspective, and you noticed a couple. Weird vote pattern/wasting his vote on Asmo. Tunneling the fuck out of me despite what I thought was actually a fairly good defense. Just dismissing arguments against him. His play really degraded in D2, and it made a disruptive atmosphere. But methinks there's one stipulation: Wave is scum if and only if Alzadar is also scum I know I said I thought Alzadar was town earlier, and I still probably do. But I've noticed weird things with Alz too. He's parroted and generally agreed with most everything Wave has. His tone comes off, idk, softer? more conversational? when he's talking to wave. And then there's the medic claim - this is why they would have to be tied together, and this is also what makes it less likely. It's really hard to contest a medic claim unless you're actually the medic. Scum would know my claim is true, and make a fairly educated guess that there may well not be a medic. It would be incredibly ballsy to fake claim a medic, but if it went badly and someone counter claims, then you found the town medic. If you're going to trade 1 for 1, you want to trade with the medic. And in a town as dysfunctional as ours, that's not the worst move for scum to make. And when the town train of motherfucking justice is barreling into your face, it's probably one of the better moves scum could make. Right after the claim, Wave was the first to remove his vote from Alz, and it was a completely reasonable thing to do, I was shortly after him. A Town!Wave (I like this format Req) would know that an uncontested medic claim is hard to accuse. A Scum!Wave would have pressed harder to kill Alz (assuming Town!Alz, which is why they'd come as a pair). It also feels...a bit too convenient that Wave also happened to be the one that Alz would have protected, and "assumed" that there would be a notification of being protected. Or, y'know, maybe Alzadar really is the medic and all of this is just paranoid babbling. It is still more likely that the scum are hiding in the quiet ones, lurking in the corner with the 3p. It is very rare for me to get a conspiracy theory like this, but the last time I did, I didn't say anything and I was right. If Alzadar lives tonight without some town intervention, then his guilt becomes more likely. If he is the medic, it is unlikely that we would also have a JailKeeper, so no other real means of saving him. We also have absolutely no idea what is going to happen with the poison, so we could be in a better or worse spot than we are now, it's kinda a toss up. There is an ok to fair chance that I won't be alive in the morning. What I have said above is a very real possibility, but it is also a less likely possibility. Occam's Razor and all that. I just wanted to make sure that if things go poorly, this random brain vomit is known. Oh, and Wave... + Show Spoiler [Now we're even.] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FKEya0c.jpg) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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gg town, good luck + Show Spoiler + despite the frustration, I had a blast | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote: His father is pretty juicy tbh.  | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On October 22 2014 09:11 Lord Tolkien wrote: Believing a medic claim when he doesn't die the night after claiming is stupid as balls, yes. ^ | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On October 22 2014 09:16 Alzadar wrote: Fuck the D2 crunch time was so exciting though. Best moment of the game for me at least. I came home and saw Soniv's claim, thought I'd try to see if I could salvage that lynch since I really wanted to get rid of Soniv; I bit off more than I could chew Cixah had a moment of clarity, then I bluffed all your pants off and got mad lucky there wasn't a real Medic. So fun. have to trust a non counter claimed medic, the fact you made it through N2 instead of me should have been huge red flag town, you're retarded | ||
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killing me instead ended up being the correct play because no one said anything about alz living | ||
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