Avogadro's Number Mini Mafia

On October 09 2014 13:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Sqrt needs to join this

I am sorry btw bro

On October 12 2014 06:59 Chairman Ray wrote:
Prime Claims:
Hopeless1der

On October 12 2014 08:13 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'll do everyone a huge favor and just come out as town. I rolled town for the first time in 10 games. Pretend I am innocent child. Now you have one less person to read into.

On October 12 2014 07:22 geript wrote:
This is going to be sweet. I think we're all town. I wonder who between DP, VE and myself they're going to risk shooting.

On October 12 2014 07:27 geript wrote:
Hopeless, Damdred and Sqrt are the only people I'm interested in lynching right now. I'm going to watch the pro tour for a bit, but I'm like 65% sure both DP and VE are town which is better than expected for now. So we're probably looking at just killing the weak links for an easy win.

On October 12 2014 07:37 geript wrote:

I could be wrong on him. His posting just felt a bit like in the other not to be named game where he was mafia. Very much like he's talking about the game from the outside. And his response to me very much reminded me of when Palmer said "whoever thinks they're obvious town should come out so I can sheep them" in some game; I did it as mafia and got lynched like a bitch at day or two later.

On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:


Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia
DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.

Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment.

On October 12 2014 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm saying he could. I don't want to discuss that anymore, really.

On October 12 2014 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote:

Is this like claiming miller but helpful instead? What about the possible game mods.

On October 12 2014 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote:

Okay well I'm Prime.

On October 12 2014 08:39 Chairman Ray wrote:


If GB were to drop a scumread, and then avoid talking about it, that could be scummy; however GB straight out said that he did not want to talk about it. Do you think that's something scum would do?

On October 12 2014 08:53 Chairman Ray wrote:


After you get back from WCS AM, answer me this:
Why would a scum want to make up a scumread without any reasoning?

On October 14 2014 11:24 GlowingBear wrote:
"Base Setups - pick one at random:
A) 1 Square Root, 1 π, 1 i, 1 Fraction, 1 Negative Nine Thousand Three Hundred and Seventy-Eight, 8 Fours
B) 2 Square Roots, 1 π, 1 Prime, 1 Fraction, 8 Fours
C) 2 Square Roots, 1 π, 1 Prime, 1 Negative Nine Thousand Three Hundred and Seventy-Eight, 8 Fours
D) 1 Square Root, 1 π, 1 i, 2 Primes, 8 Fours

Modifications - pick one at random:
1) Remove one Four and add one Prime.
2) Use setup as-is.
3) Remove one Prime and add one Four if possible."

You have to roll D AND 3 to have 3 primes.
1/4 . 1/3 = 1/12

0.083 chance. No fucking way.

By the way, I suck at math. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

On October 14 2014 13:34 GlowingBear wrote:


Then




Damdred, day one is over and you haven't told us if I had done my town tell. Moreover, you said you had a read on me but didn't share it with us.

1) Why aren't you sharing it with us?
2) If you have a scum read on me, why weren't you pushing me?
3) if you have a town read on me, why weren't you fighting my wagon?

Your filter is mostly focused on me. You've spent most of your game busy with me. But then you follow the wagon that was being built:



How did you suddenly read geript as mafia here? Is that how you see him now?

On October 15 2014 02:33 GlowingBear wrote:


Condition (3) can make a game without primes.
Condition (1) can make a game with 2 primes

There is also a base setup with 2 primes and the possibility of having three primes.

I find it very safe to claim prime.

I'm actually getting inclined to believe hopeless fake claimed now.

On October 15 2014 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is basically never ever going to be mafia after last night.
GB seems frustrated in a townie way in people scumreading him. The only thing against him would be he suddenly fucked off before the lynch when another wagon that was not him formed.
DarthPunk and Hopeless are town, don't be dumb with this GB.
Damdred is town, most likely. I have already made a town case on him.

Chairman Ray is still bit of a question mark so do not totally count him out. He has basically made a case on sqrt and then... well pretty much nothing. We need you to prove you are town CR, there are just too many people lurking the fuck out of the game.

I already told what i think of geript and why. Maybe i'll tonight find the game where he acted similarly. I totally forgot about that one and in case geript is mafia which i assume that would most likely make GlowingBear town.

sqrt's posting is just terrible.

ritoky hasn't said anything rememberable and there is something i am going to check regarding him before the deadline.

kush is just not playing and only talks about unimportant stuff like modkills, spamming etc etc. The only thing he has said on D1 is a townread on GB (or rather -- it wasn't a townread, it was "cases on GB are bad") without explanation. scum!kush cannot force himself to read filters so calling someone who is town town makes sense as he didn't even comment on the cases in ANY way. Then there is the shitty vote on VE which is also not explained in any way.

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The problem is there are too much lurkers. There are three people completely lurking and ritoky kinda semi-lurking (i call it lurking when people do not take part into discussion and talk about irrelevant things). They can't all be mafia even if geript is, and atm i do strongly believe geript is mafia. Step up your fucking game townies in that pool. Or at least TRY to play the game. Please.

On October 15 2014 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I slept over it and it doesn't make any sense for mafia!VE to act like he did after the lynch. As mafia VE is rational and altogether a good player as scum. As town he is also good but sometimes (well.. in fact quite often ) driven by emotion rather than logic which is what he did at D1 end and N1 start. Especially you should be reading him town. Why would VE lynch Oats (while kind of contradicting himself) instead of just placing his vote on you (who he had a scumread on) when geript is not getting lynched any more? It's just far more likely he just followed DP onto Oats and then flipped his shit when he realized he should have just believed himself.

Let's just say i don't think you are mafia regardless of geript's affiliation. It would just strengthen my read because of how geript likes to play. Why are you even asking this? You should be happy someone will believe you are near 100% town if geript flips mafia. I am not going to evaluate on my townreads unless people want to lynch them and are pushing the town to wrong track. Noone wants to lynch you so the discussion is useless in the first place. I am also pretty sure you wouldn't understand but the main point is what i remember of how geript plays scum and you both being mafia doesn't fit.

Which players on the wagon are scum then? You noticed there is something wrong with the wagon. Oats flipped town so that shit surely didn't get any better so who is mafia there in your opinion and why?

Hopeless basically outed himself as prime before even claiming (he was quite obviously asking geript "why should i claim my role") when geript told every prime should claim. DarthPunk would never have claimed prime as mafia in the situation he did. Come on.... It's quite simple.

Regarding my read change on geript, yes. That. That read on Damdred makes zero sense by his own definition. geript also likes to push townies who are not being talked about and who are not current/even realistic lynch candidates when town is being lynched (in this case you/Oats -> geript suddenly pushes Damdred). I am still trying to find that fucking game (except that i'll have dinner first) so i can prove my point.

On October 13 2014 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:
Here is the town slip;

So sqrt is clearly not reading the thread because he treats Barakos and rayn as separate entities.



If he had access to a scum qt you can bet your arse that he would know rayn had replaced in regardless of reading the thread or not.

If rayn as scum it would be apparent in the qt cause he would be in the qt.

If rayn is town all the scummers would be shitting their pantsu.

Sqrt slipped ignorance of something scum would not be ignorant about.

He is very likely to be town aligned, would not lynch for a few days.

On October 15 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

Okay I'ma stop you right here.

It doesn't give mafia extra info about the setup unless someone counterclaims, at which point it becomes the WRONG move for mafia to make because they lose one of their members. There's no "free town cred from the numpties" if someone counterclaims, and in this setup there's like zero chance of townies not counterclaiming at some point (because setup).

There's no situation where mafia's first impulse is to "claim Prime" geript. You're just making things up.

On October 14 2014 05:47 geript wrote:

Yah but mafia should always claim prime.

On October 15 2014 02:34 geript wrote:
Also fwiw. If I were mafia I'd claim a role by now.

On October 12 2014 17:19 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'm pretty confident that sqrt is scum atm.

Sqrt entered the thread with a joke scumclaim (which is fine imo), but then left for a few hours, and re-entered the thread with some really bad reads after some people were pushing on him. There's a clear difference when town is giving bad reads and when scum is giving bad reads, and it's clear that his reads show a scum mindset. His reasonings are all just "this person did X, therefore he's mafia", without any regard to why X is scummy.

I will summarize all his reads:

CR is mafia because he made 2 filler posts
VE is mafia because he gave a townread on geript and himself
Geript is mafia because he's buddying DP
GB is mafia because he didn't want to discuss one of his scumreads

What else do those 4 reads have in common? Firstly, they are barely relevant to the game with everything else that's happened. Secondly, they all appear near the start of their filters.

So what does this mean? This means that sqrt probably just clicked on a few people's filter, read until he could comment on one thing, and then stopped there. Scummy as hell.

One other thing that I find interesting. When I defended sqrt's read on GB, he responded to me normally. Let's take a step back and look at this. Sqrt thinks I'm mafia. That means when I ask him something, it should cross his mind that I'm mafia with an agenda other than getting more information. He should have noticed that I asked him about GB, and didn't respond at all on his reads on me. That's one very obvious thing a town sqrt should have noticed. What's more interesting is that he has both GB an I as scumreads, but when I defended GB, he responded to me like he's trying to convince me of his read. For someone who accused geript and DP of buddying, it should have been 1000% obvious that I'm buddying GB, but nope, not at all. Scum scum scummy scummy scum scum.

##Vote: sqrtofneg1

On October 14 2014 05:44 Chairman Ray wrote:
The case on Oats is pretty solid

You have my vote

On October 16 2014 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
sqrt why aren't you voting for geript? You say I raise excellent points against him, lynch him with me.

On October 17 2014 07:17 Alakaslam wrote:
I think sqrt is town.

On October 17 2014 09:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
i dont understand why a) players are replaced after modkills have occurred

On October 19 2014 01:30 kushm4sta wrote:
See scum thinks they are going to net an easy win by killing sqrt or myself but what they didn't account for is that at any moment I can explode with towniness and fuck over their plan. And that's exactly what I'm going to do.

On October 21 2014 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:

well we sort of forgot to the first night, but we knew what the setup was so it didn't matter. Dude what was up with your play this game? did you just have zero time?