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On October 07 2014 04:41 Blazinghand wrote:


I do. I think HF's reasoning based on the VT claim shenannies are consistent with HF's reasoning as town. This reasoning is solid enough. The follow-up about "why are you in caps lock" isn't meaningful, but I think HF believes himself to be correct. Normally I'd find his attachment to that piece scummy but I really like the follow-up he posts right here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=14#268

The attempt to leverage the current situation on OO by asking OO about Oats is a solid way to develop a read on both of them. This "continuance" piece is harder for scum to think of but fits well with a tunneled HF on Oats. Due to these reasons, I do not believe HF is a good lynch today.

On October 07 2014 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.

Bleed towniness.

On October 07 2014 12:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I don't feel particularly confident reading either of those players right now. I'm looking, and they look kind of town I guess...Maybe.

I have no solid wisdom to impart here, lool.

On October 07 2014 14:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


You might. I don't.

And I didn't even read your filter. I don't know what you're trying to do here.

On October 07 2014 15:03 Grackaroni wrote:



uhhhh I went back to the Hopeless interaction you keep mentioning and its raising further questions.

On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.

And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH.

On October 08 2014 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Grack if I said there is a decent chance bats could be scum would you think I'm crazy

On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:


Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives.

On October 08 2014 07:42 Holyflare wrote:


he did answer you by talking to me instead and brushed it off like you were voting him for no reason

On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.

On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:

OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument.

Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred.

So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention.

In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment.


God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people