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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 05:10 GMT
#439
lol like half my filter is talking about BH being town. I feel pretty confident that you can get a solid read on him based on his enthusiasm to contribute and I've seen a good number of BH games.

I like Obiwan for a vote.
##Unvote: OO
##Vote: Obiwan
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 05:14 GMT
#444
On October 07 2014 04:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts?


I do. I think HF's reasoning based on the VT claim shenannies are consistent with HF's reasoning as town. This reasoning is solid enough. The follow-up about "why are you in caps lock" isn't meaningful, but I think HF believes himself to be correct. Normally I'd find his attachment to that piece scummy but I really like the follow-up he posts right here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=14#268

The attempt to leverage the current situation on OO by asking OO about Oats is a solid way to develop a read on both of them. This "continuance" piece is harder for scum to think of but fits well with a tunneled HF on Oats. Due to these reasons, I do not believe HF is a good lynch today.

This post in particular. BH could easily avoid answering the question in a BH-y way. Even though he is doing his standard random lynch he's actually providing some nice insight.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 05:16 GMT
#448
Yeah that was my point. You're complaining that nobody is making content and you haven't even made an effort to read the thread - combined with what HF has pointed out about your lack of stances on people.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 05:29 GMT
#463
lol slam he's just misreading Obi
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 05:32 GMT
#465
On October 07 2014 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.

Bleed towniness.

Yeah this is a really strange post. How can you really say this sincerely from the perspective of somebody who hasn't even read through the thread. For all you knew somebody could have been spewing towniness and you just never read it.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 05:33 GMT
#466
Blazinghand could have claimed Squm and we could have missed it!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 06:03 GMT
#494
On October 07 2014 12:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 12:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay...how do you feel about grack* and/or kelsier?

Damdred you're thoughts on them as well?

*I know i've made no mention of him yet.


I don't feel particularly confident reading either of those players right now. I'm looking, and they look kind of town I guess...Maybe.

I have no solid wisdom to impart here, lool.


On October 07 2014 14:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 14:10 Grackaroni wrote:
lol like half my filter is talking about BH being town. I feel pretty confident that you can get a solid read on him based on his enthusiasm to contribute and I've seen a good number of BH games.

I like Obiwan for a vote.
##Unvote: OO
##Vote: Obiwan


You might. I don't.

And I didn't even read your filter. I don't know what you're trying to do here.

uhhhh I went back to the Hopeless interaction you keep mentioning and its raising further questions.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 06:06 GMT
#496
rofl just the thought of Holyflare having to get BH's approval to push somebody. It would hurt his ego too much.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 06:14 GMT
#502
I've got to get to sleep. Definitely looking forward to seeing some Palmar tomorrow.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 22:32 GMT
#789
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 22:33 GMT
#790
Just reading his filter you can really see that he's trying to solve the game
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 22:36 GMT
#792
Palmar I want you to read that HF/me/Obi exchange and actually play the game. If Marv were here would you tell him he should be able to town read you by now? No you would not.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 22:40 GMT
#793
OO lynch also makes me uncomfortable. I've never seen this much support for lynching an inactive before and there's not even meta reasons for him being scum.

Obi never answered my question and nobody has commented on this at all.
On October 07 2014 15:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 12:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 12:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay...how do you feel about grack* and/or kelsier?

Damdred you're thoughts on them as well?

*I know i've made no mention of him yet.


I don't feel particularly confident reading either of those players right now. I'm looking, and they look kind of town I guess...Maybe.

I have no solid wisdom to impart here, lool.


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On October 07 2014 14:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 14:10 Grackaroni wrote:
lol like half my filter is talking about BH being town. I feel pretty confident that you can get a solid read on him based on his enthusiasm to contribute and I've seen a good number of BH games.

I like Obiwan for a vote.
##Unvote: OO
##Vote: Obiwan


You might. I don't.

And I didn't even read your filter. I don't know what you're trying to do here.

uhhhh I went back to the Hopeless interaction you keep mentioning and its raising further questions.

I think this is easily the scummiest thing in the thread.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 22:44 GMT
#799
On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.

And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH.

This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 22:44 GMT
#800
On October 08 2014 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Grack if I said there is a decent chance bats could be scum would you think I'm crazy

I'm not scumreading bats but I would love to hear your reasoning
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 22:47 GMT
#802
On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.


Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives.

new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 22:50 GMT
#804
On October 08 2014 07:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:40 Grackaroni wrote:
OO lynch also makes me uncomfortable. I've never seen this much support for lynching an inactive before and there's not even meta reasons for him being scum.

Obi never answered my question and nobody has commented on this at all.
On October 07 2014 15:03 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 07 2014 12:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 12:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay...how do you feel about grack* and/or kelsier?

Damdred you're thoughts on them as well?

*I know i've made no mention of him yet.


I don't feel particularly confident reading either of those players right now. I'm looking, and they look kind of town I guess...Maybe.

I have no solid wisdom to impart here, lool.


On October 07 2014 14:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 14:10 Grackaroni wrote:
lol like half my filter is talking about BH being town. I feel pretty confident that you can get a solid read on him based on his enthusiasm to contribute and I've seen a good number of BH games.

I like Obiwan for a vote.
##Unvote: OO
##Vote: Obiwan


You might. I don't.

And I didn't even read your filter. I don't know what you're trying to do here.

uhhhh I went back to the Hopeless interaction you keep mentioning and its raising further questions.

I think this is easily the scummiest thing in the thread.


he did answer you by talking to me instead and brushed it off like you were voting him for no reason

Yeah but he essentially just ignored the question.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 22:56 GMT
#808
On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.

I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 23:16 GMT
#820
On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.

I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch.

OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument.

Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred.

So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention.

In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment.


God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people

I agree scum would want to have other suspicions if OO is town and some people did consider Liancourt scum when Storr wrote some things about Liancourt. I just didn't see anyone consider obi scum when HF/I really put a lot of effort into trying to make people consider obi scum so that makes me believe obi is mafia regardless of OO. But yeah scum would be even more incentivized to suspect Obi if the wagon is already falling on mafia.

This really isn't helpful for other people because it could just be no mafia is joining because HF/I are mafia and we were trying to find a mislynch but I just like to look at games in this way.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 07 2014 23:25 GMT
#829
lol see we need to lynch Obiwanshinobi. That Palmar guy is pushing him and you can totally tell that he has read the thread.
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