On October 07 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote:
open ended questions, telling people what is scummy and what is not scummy, no answers, no pushing, no anything really at all and then complains nobody is pushing the thread forward

*Can't give answers for questions people haven't asked me.
*Of course I'm going to tell people what I think is/isn't scummy because that's the objective of the game.
*I'm pushing Damdred/lion at the moment so I don't know where "no pushing" came from.
*I'm asking questions which get left open, and then I push for the thread to be more active. Which is apparently grounds for a scumread somehow.

Really this vote doesn't make any sense. If you have something to ask me/pressure me on, then get at me. Otherwise go do something else instead of lurk and then attack me as soon as I push for more activity.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 03:21 GMT

#397

Damdred/lion, mostly.

Opinions on them?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 03:35 GMT

#401

On October 07 2014 12:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
what do you think about me obiwan?

You know what that post reads like?

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Do you like me?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Maybe

^ This.

I guess you look town though.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 03:38 GMT

#402

On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:

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That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc.

That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched.

You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 03:47 GMT

#409

On October 07 2014 12:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay...how do you feel about grack* and/or kelsier?

Damdred you're thoughts on them as well?

*I know i've made no mention of him yet.

I don't feel particularly confident reading either of those players right now. I'm looking, and they look kind of town I guess...Maybe.

I have no solid wisdom to impart here, lool.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 03:59 GMT

#413

On October 07 2014 12:43 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think he was insistent at all he asked me why i didn't vote oats despite saying i did and that was it

So where's the follow up on your vote? Where's your interest in figuring me out/lynching mafia?

You put your vote on me and started talking about random shit, even after two other people called you on your shitvote which you have done nothing to fix. Care to explain?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 04:15 GMT

#416

On October 07 2014 13:10 Holyflare wrote:

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i don't need to follow up when what i can already see is right there in your filter

If that's really your answer, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to get you lynched.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 04:19 GMT

#418

I know. I wouldn't even classify it as a shit fight because I don't think that's what it is.

Holyflare is just being really dumb right now and it's hard to see him coming to those kinds of conclusions as town.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 04:26 GMT

#420

We already went over why your vote was stupid. Saying everything a second time won't make it any smarter.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 04:28 GMT

#422

If you have the desire to be even more annoying, then go ahead. I'll just debunk it and tell you why it's dumb and bad, even though two players already called you on it and you've completely ignored them/us.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 04:37 GMT

#426

Okay, so what about my BH argument doesn't make sense? I pointed out why pushing BH because he was pushing an RNG lynch is a useless waste of time since it's factually incorrect to attribute it as a scum characteristic; if BH has an example of him doing this as town, it can't be used to sell a scumtell on him since it's not an inherently scum trait. That's what makes it stupid, and why I want to steer people away from that line of thinking to focus on more important information, IE almost anything else.

So what's inherently scummy about pushing conversation away from something provably pointless? Oh right, nothing. Because you've fixated on one aspect of my filter and have completely failed to try to see any potential town motivation as to what I'm doing.

Hopeless and I have both called you on your shitvote and you've ignored both of us. Go back and read it unless you feel like ignoring more facts in favor of pushing nonsense.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 04:39 GMT

#427

On October 07 2014 13:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Obi are you scum reading Lian/Damdred? Why did you choose them specifically to talk about with Hopeless?

I just explained why in my wall. They're both focusing on irrelevancies (BH's rng lynch and the possible implications).

I really can't see where Lian is coming from at all, but I think damdred's response was okay.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 04:43 GMT

#430

So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?

Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 05:04 GMT

#434

On October 07 2014 13:41 Holyflare wrote:
I'd love for you to be town and prove me wrong by actually pushing something that happened in the game previously that you said you read but for now you haven't done that.

Nice deflect, bro.

You know what's funny? I went back in the game and found you fixating on more stupid shit. So I still don't see the point of wading through garbage just to have you force me through more useless garbage.

You are so scum this game I don't even. I DON'T EVEN.

Pedit: Just refreshed. You're emphasizing someone siding with you but you've still completely ignored the fact that two people have commented on your vote being stupid. Hilarious.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

October 07 2014 05:06 GMT

#435

On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:

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What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread.

Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH.

This argument goes two ways.

I can't give thoughts on BH because he literally always does this. Nobody involved in the BH read-gathering debacle can divulge anything of interest because there is nothing of interest there: hence why I think it's weird that people are pushing the idea of him being so scummy for doing something so bog-standard in the first place.

If you have an actual opinion on BH's alignment, definitely let me in the know, because I'm pretty in the dark on this one.